ignore rp, avoid rp, not rping = worse than hacking, get banned

[Huntsman]

Will you stop shitting on other servers, please? This is a discussion about SA:MP issues, not a place to discuss your personal dissatisfactions/grudges with other communities.

[[NP]Monte Montague]

@Rytuklis  I failed English literature
I mean is it pointing out the obvious? If so why are we not focusing on fixing the obvious then?
Is it a case of "Silent Majority" ?

I don't understand whilst there resentment of the Founders and their Vision.
Yet people are still there thinking they can try. Why don't they put their efforts into something where they know the Owners will not be a problem to them and their visions? their dreams?

Why is it that we must rebel against the Ownership, the original vision to progress?
IF we must rebel, or go against it, should we not request autonomy or independence? Wait why not just leave, stop trying and go make our own communities where we can encourage being closed to people as possible.  I see on a daily basis from many that the community of Argonath RPG is on a permanent decline and is "Toast". To tell people that it's not all that bad whilst we see the responses we see to what was intended as innocent concern, queries... it kind of reinforces that belief.

I don't see the logic. It could... be negativism and it's really not good.

[Mark]

Will you stop shitting on other servers, please? This is a discussion about SA:MP issues, not a place to discuss your personal dissatisfactions/grudges with other communities.

Don't even get me started, his statement was clearly wrong as he does not even play there, one of the reasons this drama is still going on it's him. 13 pages full of nothing, "veterans" who don't give a shit about playing here anymore who thinks that they are so important and now we are even comparing SAMP to other communities?
Keep posting on forums and don't go ingame people, we're having fun also without you! (If you don't get it, the message is directed to some peeps, not you Rytuklis)

[Rapture]

Link, everytime I saw you ingame you were either AFK or trucking by yourself, I never saw you interact with anyone at all.
Tevin, I doubt you even played VC:MP in the last 3 years, so you're just straight talking out of your ass.

Sure the VC:MP community is full of new players who have little knowledge of the gamemode are around, but veterans such as myself and Marcell always love to have intricate roleplays with each other.

Example which I recorded and happened on the newest script.

[Huntsman]

For crying out loud...

I don't understand whilst there resentment of the Founders and their Vision.
Yet people are still there thinking they can try. Why don't they put their efforts into something where they know the Owners will not be a problem to them and their visions? their dreams?

Maybe because the so said wall of bullshit called the "Argonath vision/Owner's vision" has been a complete and utter failure and has pushed the community into a stagnation to a point where it lost a great deal of great players due to it? I am yet to see any other community other than Argonath whose owners would go AGAINST the majority of the community. Your beloved owners do not even give a shit. Has Gandalf yet even reacted to all the disatisfaction being expressed here? No, they hardly even play, yet their intentions are to ruin the joy of playing for others.

Why is it that we must rebel against the Ownership, the original vision to progress?

Because the ownership is anything but competent, as shown by recent events.

I don't see the logic. It could be negativism and it's really not good.

No wonder you see no logic, because hardly anything you write has any logic behind it.

[Link9rly]

Oh you did not just say that...

Who the hell are you to judge what VC:MP is and what isn't? You can get more roleplay in VC:MP in A DAY than in the entire month in SA:MP. The majority of VC:MP population are regular players who are accustomed to what Argonath is and what they're supposed to do there. To say that VC:MP is any less of a roleplay server is plain bullshit and slandering. How about you actually gave the server a try, especially after the recent changes, rather than speak complete and utter bullshit out of your mouth? Who gave you the right, especially as a representative of an official part of Argonath, to slander a server you haven't even gave a decent try? I am sorry for my agressive behavior, but VC:MP is exactly what introduced me to the Argonath community and its concept.

The majority of VC:MP population are regular players who are accustomed to what Argonath is and what they're supposed to do there. To say that VC:MP is any less of a roleplay server is plain bullshit and slandering. How about you actually gave the server a try, especially after the recent changes, rather than speak complete and utter bullshit out of your mouth? Who gave you the right, especially as a representative of an official part of Argonath, to slander a server you haven't even gave a decent try? I am sorry for my agressive behavior, but VC:MP is exactly what introduced me to the Argonath community and its concept. You're an idiot to say these completely stupid and unjustified things against a fellow community. I hope that such slandering against a community counter-part will be effectively dealt with.

I was online when 12/15 people were online. Granted, my opinions are being based from only 3 days of playing.  To be honest, the best part about you saying that I haven't logged in for a while when I was playing and Skyping with @TonySforza who was seeing all of these so called "slanderous accusations" happen in real time. I'm also not sure where you got that I'm a representative of Argonath either but then again, I wasn't expecting much from an Edge user.
I was introduced to the Argonath community by MTA:VC, where the only scripts were a fork of a barebones pre-existing script. I'm not knocking the scripts. They are amazing and it's more impressive that it's VC:MP pulling it off. There's actually a few areas where it's better compared to SAMP's current version.I just didn't see much RP happening there for the time I was there. I have no grudge towards VC:MP and like some of the players there. I cannot speak for IV:MP from personal experience but I can say that about VC:MP. Not only that but haven't you been banned for months on VC:MP now?

Link, everytime I saw you ingame you were either AFK or trucking by yourself, I never saw you interact with anyone at all.

I did happen to have interaction with a cop who suspected me and shot me while AFK, which was fun. The other things I saw going on at the time were a Cheetah and two cop cruisers chasing a Washington around. I think I'll stay not getting close to that group of people. Too bad that when I was playing, that was the only group of people around.

[Huntsman]

And once again you're taking out of your ass. I've never ever been banned on VC:MP. What on earth are you talking about...

[[NP]Monte Montague]

Link, everytime I saw you ingame you were either AFK or trucking by yourself, I never saw you interact with anyone at all.
Tevin, I doubt you even played VC:MP in the last 3 years, so you're just straight talking out of your ass.

Sure the VC:MP community is full of new players who have little knowledge of the gamemode are around, but veterans such as myself and Marcell always love to have intricate roleplays with each other.

Example which I recorded and happened on the newest script.

Looks like a good video.
But can we get back to SAMP?

I wasn't expecting much from an Edge user.

Edgey as fuck.

And once again you're taking out of your ass. I've never ever been banned on VC:MP. What on earth are you talking about...

Let us get back to SAMP

[Rapture]

Let us get back to SAMP

Go wild, I just wanted to step in when someone called the server I play on most a "CNR" server.

[[NP]Monte Montague]

For crying out loud...
Maybe because the so said wall of bullshit called the "Argonath vision/Owner's vision" has been a complete and utter failure and has pushed the community into a stagnation to a point where it lost a great deal of great players due to it? I am yet to see any other community other than Argonath whose owners would go AGAINST the majority of the community. Your beloved owners do not even give a shit. Has Gandalf yet even reacted to all the disatisfaction being expressed here? No, they hardly even play, yet their intentions are to ruin the joy of playing for others.

Because the ownership is anything but competent, as shown by recent events.
No wonder you see no logic, because hardly anything you write has any logic behind it.

Pretty unfair comments.
leaders blame Owners.
Owner is like "Yo... I give you the key and the rope. you decide what you do."
But despite this there is constant talk against the Owner and against the original values of Argonath RPG.
I am a conservative.  I don't prefer that the original principles are forgot and turned against simply because of time.  Some things must be conserved. When we slip away from our vision, we have nothing.


Look @ http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?action=treasury
& Look at the thread where Gandalf makes clear he is still paying for the community even though he has his younger children to look after and he can't deal with the late rebellious teens who are against working with people, being patient, talking...

[eymas]

Just stop fighting against each other. We know all topics must succumb to off-topic flamewars against each other on argonath but you need to grow out of this.

[[NP]Monte Montague]

Just stop fighting against each other. We know all topics must succumb to off-topic flamewars against each other on argonath but you need to grow out of this.

I just have some concerns and thought I could be open about them but didn't expect people to go made ape shit. Ok Sorry if I did such thing.

[Gnb_22]

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Do you even re read your posts before you click Post ?

[Huntsman]

Do you even re read your posts before you click Post ?

A very valid concern

[Devin]

@Rytuklis  I failed English literature
I mean is it pointing out the obvious? If so why are we not focusing on fixing the obvious then?
Is it a case of "Silent Majority" ?

I don't understand whilst there resentment of the Founders and their Vision.
Yet people are still there thinking they can try. Why don't they put their efforts into something where they know the Owners will not be a problem to them and their visions? their dreams?

Why is it that we must rebel against the Ownership, the original vision to progress?
IF we must rebel, or go against it, should we not request autonomy or independence? Wait why not just leave, stop trying and go make our own communities where we can encourage being closed to people as possible.  I see on a daily basis from many that the community of Argonath RPG is on a permanent decline and is "Toast". To tell people that it's not all that bad whilst we see the responses we see to what was intended as innocent concern, queries... it kind of reinforces that belief.

I don't see the logic. It could... be negativism and it's really not good.

Seeing as there is something to respond to in a way regarding this post which your previous lacked, we don't just run around calling people cunts as you put it because we can. Sure HQ respond in a negative manner to those that show us the same level of disrespect. If you honestly feel offended by the direct approach you shouldn't be on the internet in this day and age.

I also fail to see this "silent majority" as you put it, it seems you are coming up with terminology and nosense aimed at HQ because of some personal issue with what intention? To promote Paruni again?
If a player approaches us and has manners we will be polite in return, if a person was never taught how to be respectful don't expect us to run around babysitting and patting them on the back if we respond in a negative manner and they take offense to it.

We are well past being babysitters and holding peoples hands that refuse to be a worthwhile addition to the community and simply shit on everything they are provided for free, if that is a problem for you then take it up with the owner. If he has an issue with it I am sure he would have intervened already. Feel free to read some of Aragorns messages when he responded to those causing problems and then try call us unfair and disrespectful again.

The "Argonath Vision" is merely a post with words in it that meant something to the owner many years ago, as far as SAMP and the direction it is heading is to one where the server is made for the community not tailor made to one persons idea of a "perfect server".

If you are going to come here saying this community is on a decline you either show some facts or enjoy the walk. I am sure many players that actually put effort into roleplay on SAMP would like to see certain others gone that are running around spreading nonsense on the forum.

You expect us to be kind to you whilst you come here and talk nonsense about a server you know nothing about.


Now if only people would actually contribute to the community instead of throwing around random claims trying to cause issues.