Criminals: stop and think about this

[[Rstar]Peter]

Removal of  so called RULE which says "dead people can not get sued in court" would be useful I guess; If you're dead, then you don't need your money and properties anymore.
Simply choose to get sued in court and at max lose 1/10 of your virtual money if you couldn't defend yourself, or accept your death.

Having two separated accounts would be useful too, but I doubt if HQ's going to trust everyone and let them do so. If you let trusted/veteran members to have 2 accounts it would be fun too.
I'm pretty sure its not going to work here though; people will find a way to screw it.

[Teddy]

Right. Sorry if this is too stupid.

Imagine I am a criminal who's facing charges. I willingly in full role play capacity, kill myself. The next character i want to role play is a rich, educated person. I can't do that. Why? Because my account was wiped clean. This here kind of hinders certain role play scenarios. I can't go back to the same group with a different approach because hey, I got CKED.

Discuss

If you want to roleplay rich, do something in your next character to make you rich. I roleplay rich because I earned my wealth... despite popular belief. That's how life works, if you want to be rich... you earn it. It's no different here.

[Teddy]

Removal of  so called RULE which says "dead people can not get sued in court" would be useful too I guess; If you're dead, then you don't need your money and properties anymore.
Simply choose to get sued in court and at max lose 1/10 of your virtual money if you couldn't defend yourself, or accept your death.

Having two separated accounts would be useful too, but I doubt if HQ's going to trust everyone and let them do so. If you let trusted/veteran members to have 2 accounts it would be fun too.
I'm pretty sure its not going to work here though; people will find a way to screw it.

With this we could also saying that "dying" in-game isn't really dying, but rather just being seriously "wasted" where you are taken to the hospital. That is afterall how the SP mechanic logic works. CJ never dies, he just gets wasted and taken to the hospital where a team of advanced, probably futuristic or alien, medical team can cure everything including being exploded into a million bits... but anyways, always a possibility as well.

[Axison]

If you want to roleplay rich, do something in your next character to make you rich. I roleplay rich because I earned my wealth... despite popular belief. That's how life works, if you want to be rich... you earn it. It's no different here.

I understand that. However, what if my character was already rich? Not that I care much about my virtual money but I'd like to be able to switch between characters(after getting CKED) and still have my assets to aid me in my next scenario.

[.Matthew.]

The above would be good. If you get "killed" you are actually heavily wounded, unconcious and taken to hospital. If someone still wants, he can go ahead and character kill himself.

[Rei]

Maybe a poll with full details in it can do the trick right now?

[Teddy]

I understand that. However, what if my character was already rich? Not that I care much about my virtual money but I'd like to be able to switch between characters(after getting CKED) and still have my assets to aid me in my next scenario.

If your character was already rich, and he's CK'd.... then he's dead. Do you understand the concept of death?

[eymas]

he just gets wasted and taken to the hospital where a team of advanced, probably futuristic or alien, medical team can cure everything including being exploded into a million bits...

Magic is one hell of a drug.

[TonySforza]

When did the case you keep mentioning happen? 2012? did I just not write a whole essay few pages behind and say how people have to stop taking things and situations that happen personally and stop dragging them along for years to come and have to stop considering old and new generations the same?

You need to drop the attitude that you need to win all the time in every situation, the attitude that you always must have a way to escape being caught. There are many who do it nowadays without being caught, without any script changes, advantages and so on. What's your problem in doing it? Just cannot accept to lose for once and end up in court?

Go dig it if you want, and you clearly didn't understand jack shit of what I said otherwise you wouldn't be bitching about the "winning complex" still, study that, grab a dictionary and then face palm at your own blind rage.

We have a proposed solution to this that I like, note this is proposed and not official:

Quite simply if you elect a character kill for immunity from rp routes, you must contact staff to reset your account back to default. When you die, you loose everything. All items, all properties, all vehicles, all money, ALL assets. Your character is truly killed off.

I know many of you will reject this because of your f**cking pathetic "winning" complex. However if you can propose a better solution to close the gap of abuse on the rules I suggest you do so now.

It would feel super weird dying in a gunfight with the police and then continuing as if death didn't occurr, however I cannot find any better idea at the moment.

now about this bullshit rigged "multi-character" system... for this I don't have any solution other than removing it. It's been a source of problems for years. Ideas?

We have a proper ammount of jobs now I don't see a reason to have starting money on a new account (assuming we still do), remove the registration money or lower it to just enough to grab a taxi and allow multi-accounting. With the new rules using information from one character on another would be considered meta gaming aka shit RP anyway.

[.Matthew.]

Go dig it if you want, and you clearly didn't understand jack shit of what I said otherwise you wouldn't be bad girling about the "winning complex" still, study that, grab a dictionary and then face palm at your own blind rage.

How is it relevant to me if some people from 2012 FBI sued you and you got sentenced to death or something? And how relevant it is to today's Argonath in April of 2016?

[Teddy]

It would feel super weird dying in a gunfight with the police and then continuing as if death didn't occurr, however I cannot find any better idea at the moment.

You are right, it feels weird even having to come up with these ideas. I truly fucking hate the community we are right now. It disgusts me. People more concerned with money, assets, and fictional power than they are about quality enjoyment equally for everyone. I guess this is just humanity at this point, society everywhere is based on those exact principles. Perhaps I am simply naive to think I can fix it here.

[Teddy]

Maybe a poll with full details in it can do the trick right now?

Only to have the results rigged by the connection those who are abusing the system posses?

[TiMoN]

I can't take anymore BS here, I'll give my fair share of what I've seen in my 5 years of SAMP.

Many srs rp servers allow players to earn hundreds of thousands, yet many choose to retain their specific rp career, in other words they keep most of the money in their bank(think of a separate bank account) and roleplay being a broke ass black who steals TVs like Bruce.

If they ever choose to get CK'd by their angry hood members, they usually change name(or get admin jailed for a millennium *cough* LS-shit *cough* until they donate for a new name or make a new account). If they choose to roleplay something new, say a business man, they withdraw whatever money they want as if nothing happened.

We don't have to limit our roleplay based on scripted assets, if I want to own an ammunation but roleplay a guy who supports anti gun movements(couldn't think of anything less hypocritical). Or even as I said before, someone who has millions in his bank account but chooses to RP an e-thug, who are you to judge my way of RP?

Bottom line is, RP isn't defined by what assets you own, it's defined by what you choose to act as. Owning assets such as a rusty old car for your broke ass homie contributes to his personality, but doesn't mean you can't have a mansion that you wish to keep but never use for this character.

[Axison]

If your character was already rich, and he's CK'd.... then he's dead. Do you understand the concept of death?

You read my reply wrong. I meant, what if the character I role play after my previous CK is rich? If I use my imagination, and since argonath is a world of its own, I am fully capable of doing such thing.

[.Matthew.]

To solve multi character issue:
- Allow only one character per player, make people use proper roleplay names and they are what their name is. If one is named James McKing, then he is James McKing. He can lie when speaking to officers about his name, but they can retreive his real name by running a check via MDC on ownership of his vehicle by the vehicle plate or by an unique ID that is generated on each player's passport. But in court, you can't pull an excuse that you were being another person or something. That should be a goner.

To solve death issue:
- You only actually die when you accept a character kill. If you don't, then you are merely heavily injured and taken to a hospital. Heavy weapons are stripped off, you may keep a handgun and non-lethal weaponry , and will spawn at a hospital once healed. This can also remove the cops returning after death rule, since it should take a minute or two after dying (being in a hospital interior and laying on a bed). Once out of hospital, you are the same person you were before being there, just healed from the injuries.

This is just a brief idea / suggestion.