[Denied] FredericK Collin banned by Devin Seville

[RuCa]

Your in-game name:
FredericK Collin

Ban reason as was stated in-game:
Moneycheating with Edmund

Admin who banned you:
Devin Seville

When you were banned:
05/06/2016

Additional notes:
The ban was issued by moneycheating with Edmund. Basicly I don't get the why Edmund is called here. He is my cousin and the gentleman that sold the business is the brother of Edmund Leonardo. He owns a old Marques business and when Marques ended up it he went to Gvardia and I requested my part of the money. Cofiliano afforded it 200k as I remember 1 year ago. After that Leonardo was with the business and I procced with my life. Few days ago Leonardo decided to sell the propertie and give me half of the money of it. At this afternoon Cofiliano came to me and I attempt to talk with him saying I remember that situation but my cousin gave me half money by his own and assuming he would return the other 200k that Cofiliano sent to me in the past year.

The reason of my ban is Moneycheating with Edmund and I don't know why this is considered as Moneycheating, since I didn't remember a thing from 1 year ago and basicly Edmund don't have nothing related to this. Leonardo gave me half money of that property.

I am really wondering why this ban reason since I stated what happened and the report I got from cofiliano as far as he told me. I would state too that I was fully available to give him the 200k but he basicly rejected to listen to me. I am not involved in my cousin sell so if he sell it and give me the money why am I punished for that?

[RuCa]

I would like to state that after talking with Leonardo in real life he said he was going to give back the 200k to Cofiliano when both were online since those 250k were a offer to me. That conversation between myself and him toke place at 22:00 CET via cellphone.

[Devin]

To start with, the debt you talk of between yourself and Cofiliano of 200k was settled in December

+ $200,000   Received change from Cofiliano_Gvardia     December 31st 2015

I am aware Edmund and Leonardo being related and playing from the same IP address.
I am also aware of the fact that Edmund logged in on Leonardos account, checked his inventory then PMed you to come to the property, the drug lab in SF. You arrive there and he asks you what is half of the property value and you tell him 245k, he then sends you the money.

[13:09:02] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /l 593 / 2
[13:09:18] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /l 245k
[13:09:26] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /sell
[13:11:28] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /l dps vou pa conta do edmund e mostra-me as cenas novas

- $245,000   Sent change to FredericK_Collin       May 29th 2016

And shortly after that he logs off and Edmund comes on the server. Not exactly a year ago.

[RuCa]

To start with, the debt you talk of between yourself and Cofiliano of 200k was settled in December

+ $200,000   Received change from Cofiliano_Gvardia     December 31st 2015

I am aware Edmund and Leonardo being related and playing from the same IP address.
I am also aware of the fact that Edmund logged in on Leonardos account, checked his inventory then PMed you to come to the property, the drug lab in SF. You arrive there and he asks you what is half of the property value and you tell him 245k, he then sends you the money.

[13:09:02] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /l 593 / 2
[13:09:18] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /l 245k
[13:09:26] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /sell
[13:11:28] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /l dps vou pa conta do edmund e mostra-me as cenas novas

- $245,000   Sent change to FredericK_Collin       May 29th 2016

And shortly after that he logs off and Edmund comes on the server. Not exactly a year ago.

I am aware Edmund and Leonardo being related and playing from the same IP address.

That is normal since they are brothers and playing in this community for ages since 2009.

As I said the Leonardo gave me the half the money of the property as I stated before (Was thinking it was half but had aparrently some math problems).
He asked me what is 593/2 and I replied 245k. As I stated before after talking with Leonardo at this night he told to me that his intention was to give the 200k to Cofiliano staying him with the rest.

After that Edmund came into the game so I would show himself some cop things and provide him some help to be reinstated as SAPD. Showing them for example /giveticket and he would inform the brother of those changes. Since the statement "dps vou pa conta do edmund e mostra-me as cenas novas" mean "I am going to Edmund account and show me the new things".

So as I stated before why is this considered as moneycheating?
It was offer from my cousin and I didn't remembered that transference from Cofiliano in 31st December, but apparently my cousin was on it and was about to give him the money. I have an explanation for this since Leonardo is inactive and I am active so I am on need of money and he gave it to me without my previous knowledge (before he calls me to the property).

[Devin]

Basicly I don't get the why Edmund is called here.

After that Edmund came into the game so I would show himself some cop things and provide him some help to be reinstated as SAPD. Showing them for example /giveticket and he would inform the brother of those changes. Since the statement "dps vou pa conta do edmund e mostra-me as cenas novas" mean "I am going to Edmund account and show me the new things".

So as I stated before why is this considered as moneycheating?
It was offer from my cousin and I didn't remembered that transference from Cofiliano in 31st December, but apparently my cousin was on it and was about to give him the money. I have an explanation for this since Leonardo is inactive and I am active so I am on need of money and he gave it to me without my previous knowledge (before he calls me to the property).

So you just stated that Edmund was on Leonardos account and said he was going to the edmund account. Yet initially you said Edmund had nothing to do with it.
In terms of moneycheating, accessing another persons account which Edmund did, taking the money out of Leonardos account and then sending it to you.

Also you wouldn't need money if you hadn't gambled it all away as you did with this 245k you received from the Leonardo account.

[RuCa]

So you just stated that Edmund was on Leonardos account and said he was going to the edmund account. Yet initially you said Edmund had nothing to do with it.
In terms of moneycheating, accessing another persons account which Edmund did, taking the money out of Leonardos account and then sending it to you.

Apparently he was but I didn't knew I just got that message from him and I told okay. We were not talking in real life so I can't confirm it. If that was the case and I could not confirm it why am I banned? If you assume that is true both should be banned and they should explain their side of the story. For money cheating, for multiaccounting or anything like that. I just accepted an offer from my cousin. How am i involved in this?

Also you wouldn't need money if you hadn't gambled it all away as you did with this 245k you received from the Leonardo account.

Sorry but is that illegal to play in the casino? I am here explaining the situation as I stated before but there is ways to play this game and if I go to play into casino I think it's a perfect and normal way to play.

[Devin]

Apparently he was but I didn't knew I just got that message from him and I told okay. We were not talking in real life so I can't confirm it. If that was the case and I could not confirm it why am I banned? If you assume that is true both should be banned and they should explain their side of the story. For money cheating, for multiaccounting or anything like that. I just accepted an offer from my cousin.

The fact is you received money from the account which was accessed by another player, no one is permitted to access another players account.
You also knew Leonardos account was accessed by Edmund when he said he was going to the Edmund account and said nothing nor did anything about someone accessing another persons account while you merrily went on spending the cash that didn't belong to you in the first place.

[RuCa]

The fact is you received money from the account which was accessed by another player, no one is permitted to access another players account.

I didn't know that for sure, anyway I am getting now the user online on that time could be Edmund due that statement and not Leonardo. At that time I didn't think on it to be honest. I didn't even know if I have my brother for example and need to do a sale I can't give him my account to accomplish that sale ordered by me. If that was the case, I don't know but I can call my cousin again, if it was an authorized sale I don't see any point on that, but if the rule is there I have to agree with that for sure.
I can assure you that Leonardo are different persons since they are both brothers and my cousins in real life. I can't assure who was using the account, and if the transaction was authorized by the account owner or not. Those should be discussed with them I guess.

You also knew Leonardos account was accessed by Edmund when he said he was going to the Edmund account and said nothing nor did anything about someone accessing another persons account while you merrily went on spending the cash that didn't belong to you in the first place.

After receiving the money from Leonardo and didn't remember of that money from Cofiliano, as stated before my cousin was aware of it and were about to give him the money the 200k. Those words were said by him over a call with me, that the subject (Cofiliano) was not online and once both were online he would give that to him.
I assumed the money was mine since it was a offer from Leonardo as I said before, so I could spend it where I want because that money belongs to me. I can't assure and give the correct date and time of my transactions in casino but I think it was the day after the transaction be executed. As said before it's a way to play so if I have money why I can't spend it on the casino?

I missed that 200k from Cofiliano it's true, but a small conversation would solve this in a good way in my point of view. It was 6 months ago, many things happened in 6 months and that was a missed thing. After talking via cellphone as stated before with my cousin (Leonard), I am more calm since he was aware of it and were about to give it to him solving the entire situation related to that 200k.

[Devin]

I didn't know that for sure, anyway I am getting now the user online on that time could be Edmund due that statement and not Leonardo. At that time I didn't think on it to be honest. I didn't even know if I have my brother for example and need to do a sale I can't give him my account to accomplish that sale ordered by me. If that was the case, I don't know but I can call my cousin again, if it was an authorized sale I don't see any point on that, but if the rule is there I have to agree with that for sure.
I can assure you that Leonardo are different persons since they are both brothers and my cousins in real life. I can't assure who was using the account, and if the transaction was authorized by the account owner or not. Those should be discussed with them I guess.

13. Multiple Accounts and Sharing Accounts
Each player may create and use one account only; creating or using a second or subsequent accounts for any reason is prohibited. This includes logging into the account of another player with or without their permission.

After receiving the money from Leonardo and didn't remember of that money from Cofiliano, as stated before my cousin was aware of it and were about to give him the money the 200k. Those words were said by him over a call with me, that the subject (Cofiliano) was not online and once both were online he would give that to him.
I assumed the money was mine since it was a offer from Leonardo as I said before, so I could spend it where I want because that money belongs to me. I can't assure and give the correct date and time of my transactions in casino but I think it was the day after the transaction be executed. As said before it's a way to play so if I have money why I can't spend it on the casino?

I missed that 200k from Cofiliano it's true, but a small conversation would solve this in a good way in my point of view. It was 6 months ago, many things happened in 6 months and that was a missed thing. After talking via cellphone as stated before with my cousin (Leonard), I am more calm since he was aware of it and were about to give it to him solving the entire situation related to that 200k.

I still don't see why Leonardo would sell a property he is holding for Gvardia and also has a contract signing ownership to the group. When you say "my cousin was aware of it and were about to give him the money the 200k" which one are you talking about? Edmund or Leonardo. If you're talking about Edmund, why would he be involved in a deal between you, Leonardo and Cofiliano/Gvardia.

I never said you can't spend time in a casino gambling, I just find it ironic that you stated you were broke and needed money whilst you took that money and gambled it away.
Sure most people probably would have forgotten about the money transfer made in December by now as well.

[RuCa]

I still don't see why Leonardo would sell a property he is holding for Gvardia and also has a contract signing ownership to the group. When you say "my cousin was aware of it and were about to give him the money the 200k" which one are you talking about? Edmund or Leonardo. If you're talking about Edmund, why would he be involved in a deal between you, Leonardo and Cofiliano/Gvardia.

I am talking about Leonardo. As I said before I was not aware it could be Edmund there before translate that phrase to you here and think about it.That is a question as you may understand I am not aware of it. I can assume it's due his inactivity and my low amount of cash previous to the transaction (had around 40k if I am right). He barely come into the server due his school and some extra activities he have (Karaté) so I assume that is the reason but I can't assure you on that as you may understand.
From the talk I had my cousin (Leonardo) told me that he was aware of those 200K that Cofiliano sent to me back in December and that he owns that part of the property (200k) so he would send it back to him once both were online. That is what he told to me.

I never said you can't spend time in a casino gambling, I just find it ironic that you stated you were broke and needed money whilst you took that money and gambled it away.
Sure most people probably would have forgotten about the money transfer made in December by now as well.

Fully agree in both statements.

As shown by you, the rule is there and I was not aware of that. It would be a mistake from my side if I could figure out back there it could be Edmund into Leonardo's account. I didn't realize that case was in the table as you may understand from all our conversation in this topic.

[RuCa]

I fully understand that HQ especially Division Leader Devin Seville have more things to do beside handle this unban request but right now and after waiting almost two days I don't understand why I am still banned from the SA:MP server. Due this apparently my respect went down, I am loosing play time, I probably will lose my SAPD badge for a thing that I didn't committed. I fully understand that Unbans take a while since that is a decision made by the HQ but I have stated everything, what happened there and still not getting how this is money cheating. I understood after translating that sentence to you that could be Edmund and not Leonardo but back there I actually didn't realize it. In my point of view as many other SA:MP members the player that should be banned is Edmund or Edmund and Leonardo for multi accounting (as I already stated before they are brothers in real life and playing here since 2009 so there is nothing else to prove about that. We were all playing back to 2009 in Marques Family all at the same time.) My cousin, Leonardo, already sent you a PM related to this situation and shown me the content of it saying he asked to Edmund to make that deal for him since he couldn't.

Not accepting the money? True but since he is inactive and offer it to me why wouldn't I accept it?

I would like to say I fully understand that I should be patient in a unban request, but for me that patient is to be used in a proper ban. Not judging you or your ban Devin but right now I think I am a innocent in the middle of this that is losing time, my SAPD Badge and my reputation for a ban reason of "Money cheating". I was one time banned in RS5.2 by Teddy if I could remember by Mass DM due a crash with a plane into LSPD because to be honest I was not a good driver back there so yh crashed it into LSPD with few players there resulting in a ban. That I fully agree and went to all the process waiting for a decision cause he had reason since I killed many civilians and an admin from what I could remember the story. It was something related to this I was about to find the topic and post here but couldn't find it. You probably would see my history in warnings and kicks are zero, only received that ban from Teddy and now this one from you Devin that would be connected to my account and in my history in my vision for no mistakes done from my side.

Right now and with all the statements between me and you I can't agree with this ban to be honest. Most of players don't agree with it too after checking all the content on this topic, because like them I can't understand why I am making this unban when I just received the offer from my cousin. Of couse there is that rule #13 about other players go inside others account that I didn't know but right now I fully understand it but there was no difference since I didn't realized it could be Edmund on Leonardos account. It's true that he said that word and I could understand like I did now but how many things you don't realize in the instant moment of that thing happen and after checking it you realize that you missed something?
This is the case, I only got it could be Edmund and not Leonardo after checking that sentence posted by you and translating it to you.

If possible I would request HQ to check this unban request soon as possible since in my point of view there is nothing that could attach me to money cheating or to any other rule breaking related to this case.* 

*Exception is the rule #13 that I didn't realize it could be other person (Edmund) in the Leonardos account so in my point of view you shouldn't blame me for don't understand it could be other person (Edmund) and not Leonardo os his account.

[Devin]

To me it seems like you're still failing to see why you were banned.

An account was accessed by another player, they even told you that they are not the rightful account owner. You still received money from them.
[13:11:28] Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /l dps vou pa conta do edmund e mostra-me as cenas novas

I didn't realize it could be other person (Edmund) in the Leonardos account so in my point of view you shouldn't blame me for don't understand it could be other person (Edmund) and not Leonardo os his account.

It also seems you were doing more than just getting your 200k back seeing as he sent you half of the property value as well as the weapons that were on that account. Or at least tried to at 13:09:54.

And whilst you're blaming them for this, Edmund was also banned when you were banned.

Spoiler for Hiden:

Code: [Select]

[13:05:32] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /pm 31 tou na property
[13:05:50] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /pm 20 onde era mesmo? ahah
[13:06:06] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /pm 31 doherty sf
[13:06:17] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /pm 20 coming with my premier
[13:06:09] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /pm 31 diablos drug lab

[13:06:23] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /pm 31 tao bue admins on
[13:06:55] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /pm 20 yh ahah
[13:08:47] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /withdrawpropertyprofit

[13:09:02] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /l 593 / 2
[13:09:18] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /l 245k
[13:09:26] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /sell
[13:09:53] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /l Anda
[13:09:54] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /giveweapon 31
[13:10:32] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /l Nao vcas aqui senao pagas tacs
[13:11:28] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /l dps vou pa conta do edmund e mostra-me as cenas novas
[13:11:41] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /pm 20 cenas novas do que?
[13:11:52] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /pm 31 do rs5.2
[13:12:23] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /pm 20 ehhh nao ha muito, porque metade delas nao sei tipo growweed, fazer meth e isso nao sei
[13:12:34] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /pm 31 e cop?

[13:12:41] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /pm 31 cm eq levanto guito?
[13:12:53] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /pm 20 e depois withdraw
[13:13:08] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /pm 20 a cop nao mudaram nada ahah so mudaram uma cena
[13:13:17] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /cash
[13:13:50] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /l Vai la para a outra

[RuCa]

To me it seems like you're still failing to see why you were banned.

An account was accessed by another player, they even told you that they are not the rightful account owner. You still received money from them.
[13:11:28] Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /l dps vou pa conta do edmund e mostra-me as cenas novas

As I told you before I didn't understood it was other person. Like I told too there is some things that we don't realize  at certain time. To be honest why would I be suspecting of my own cousin?
"dps vou pa conta do edmund e mostra-me as cenas novas" means "After this I am going to Edmund account and show me the newest things." how could I realize from that it wasn't Leonardo but Edmund talking? From that I can't say if it was the rightful account owner or his brother.
If I would realize and got it I would maybe be saying wait for your brother there is no rush or something but I didn't so how am I blamed on this? I fully understand what you said before that is a violation of the rules accessing other players accounts even authorized but if I didn't realize it was not him I could do nothing. I didn't realized it wasn't him even if he said that on the local chat to me. As I said before too I was thinking it was Leonardo and then he would go to his brother account so I could explain to him the new cop things and he would transmit to his brother (Edmund), apparently the situation was the opposite Edmund was on his brother account (Leonardos one) and then return to his account. It would be the break of rule #13 anyway since I was not aware of it I couldn't do much about that and back there I would like to say again I didn't realize it wasn't Leonardo.

After that Edmund came into the game so I would show himself some cop things and provide him some help to be reinstated as SAPD. Showing them for example /giveticket and he would inform the brother of those changes. Since the statement "dps vou pa conta do edmund e mostra-me as cenas novas" mean "I am going to Edmund account and show me the new things".

It also seems you were doing more than just getting your 200k back seeing as he sent you half of the property value as well as the weapons that were on that account. Or at least tried to at 13:09:54.

I didn't received any guns as far as I remember, maybe he was only trying the command and testing it? I really can't confirm this but maybe you would check if the weapons were transfered from his account to mine. I would see no problem about giving me weapons to me, but I am almost sure he didn't sent it since I was off duty and I am not armed while off duty.

And whilst you're blaming them for this, Edmund was also banned when you were banned.

I am not blaming anyone for this, I am just saying I have nothing to do with this. Basicly he just made a offer to me and I went there accepted the offer and then everything went normal. As said before I didn't realize it wasn't Leonardo so what should I be blamed for? Didn't realize it wasn't him?

You would find bellow in bolt the translations to english of portuguese sentences. Everything stated there goes according to all above statements made by me and by you.

Spoiler for Hiden:

[13:05:32] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /pm 31 tou na property
I am in the propertie.
[13:05:50] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /pm 20 onde era mesmo? ahah
Where is that? ahah
[13:06:06] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /pm 31 doherty sf
[13:06:17] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /pm 20 coming with my premier
[13:06:09] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /pm 31 diablos drug lab

[13:06:23] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /pm 31 tao bue admins on
There are too many admins online.
[13:06:55] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /pm 20 yh ahah
[13:08:47] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /withdrawpropertyprofit

[13:09:02] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /l 593 / 2
[13:09:18] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /l 245k
[13:09:26] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /sell
[13:09:53] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /l Anda
Come.
[13:09:54] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /giveweapon 31
[13:10:32] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /l Nao vcas aqui senao pagas tacs
Don't go there or you pay taxes. (He was going to ATM so I said drove to SF bank)
[13:11:28] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /l dps vou pa conta do edmund e mostra-me as cenas novas
After this I am coming to Edmund account and show me the new things.
[13:11:41] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /pm 20 cenas novas do que?
What new things?
[13:11:52] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /pm 31 do rs5.2
of RS5.2.
[13:12:23] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /pm 20 ehhh nao ha muito, porque metade delas nao sei tipo growweed, fazer meth e isso nao sei
There is nothing much, half of it I don't know. For example growweed, meth and that I don't know.
[13:12:34] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /pm 31 e cop?
And cop?.

[13:12:41] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /pm 31 cm eq levanto guito?
How I withdraw the money?
[13:12:53] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /pm 20 e depois withdraw
after that withdraw.
[13:13:08] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /pm 20 a cop nao mudaram nada ahah so mudaram uma cena
As a cop they didn't changed anything ahah only a thing.
[13:13:17] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /cash
[13:13:50] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /l Vai la para a outra
Go to the other. (Other table inside SF bank since he couldn't make the withdraw at the position he were)

Just want to short out this situation as soon as possible since in my vision if I could realize it was other person on his account I would agree with you but I didn't realized it so the unique thing I can tell is sorry for don't realize that it wasn't Leonardo but Edmund but there was no way for me to discover it.

[Devin]

[13:06:23] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /pm 31 tao bue admins on
There are too many admins online.
[13:06:55] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /pm 20 yh ahah

So, if you were doing nothing wrong, how are there "too many admins online" when you and him are talking about the property? Clearly there's something suspicious here.
You say you didn't notice it was Edmund on Leonardos account, so why are you saying to him "what new things?"

[13:11:28] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /l dps vou pa conta do edmund e mostra-me as cenas novas
After this I am coming to Edmund account and show me the new things.
[13:11:41] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /pm 20 cenas novas do que?
What new things?

[RuCa]

So, if you were doing nothing wrong, how are there "too many admins online" when you and him are talking about the property? Clearly there's something suspicious here.

Normally in argonath we have around 2-3 administrators online, at that time we have around 7 online at the same time from moderators to managers. Since he is kinda inactive he just notice that and told that to me. It could be suspicious due this case but many people would comment it once they saw that number of admins. I would also like to say that if we were aiding something why do it when we have 7 admins or around that number online when many times there is no admins? If we were about to cover it from someone then it would be better in my opinion if there is no admins. It was a simple comment but I agree it looks suspicious but the comment was only related to the number of admins online at that time without any vision to his offer.

You say you didn't notice it was Edmund on Leonardos account, so why are you saying to him "what new things?"

[13:11:28] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /l dps vou pa conta do edmund e mostra-me as cenas novas
After this I am coming to Edmund account and show me the new things.
[13:11:41] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /pm 20 cenas novas do que?
What new things?

As told before I didn't notice, I was thinking it was Leonardo on his account saying he was going to his brother account (Edmund account). He wanted me to show him the new cop duty things, and I didn't get the "show me the new things" so I asked "What new things". I was assuming it was Leonardo on his account not Edmund on the Leonardos account. At that time I didn't realize it was Edmund from that sentence but for example if the sentence was "I am going to my account now and you show me the new things." I would assume it would be him (Edmund) but like that I assumed it was Leonardo. The way the sentence was said especially the part "Edmund account" I didn't find it was really Edmund using his brother account.