Unite.

[Ivan_Dzeba]

Are you the same person who kept speaking about Jesus Christ the other day?

Yeah.

[Ramo_Hawk]

[13:45:06] {0055FF}Dusty{FFFFFF}: (30) Y'all brainwashed by media.
[13:47:55] {0055FF}Dusty{FFFFFF}: (30) Greasy, Jesus said that most will go into hell and few into heaven. So yeah, I must love everyone.
[13:52:21] {0055FF}Dusty{FFFFFF}: (30) I always smile,wave and say hello to them.
[13:53:31] {0055FF}Dusty{FFFFFF}: (30) I want to hug every cop when I see him. And thank him for risking his life.
[13:54:37] {0055FF}Dusty{FFFFFF}: (30) I don't care. When I see police brutality, it encourages me more.
[13:55:18] {0055FF}Dusty{FFFFFF}: (30) I love them after researching and hearing about them.

Are you the same person who kept speaking about Jesus Christ the other day?

Yeah.

[13:45:06] {0055FF}Dusty{FFFFFF}: (30) Y'all brainwashed by media.

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[Ivan_Dzeba]

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Ramo, stop going off-topic.

[Sarmed]

- That's up to the player himself to not rulebreak. If you get banned let's say 3 times in 2 months, why does he deserve a fourth chance?

I agree with you but those who are playing last 5 or more than 6 years for example (Coffiliano, Conk, TiMon, Acika) these players deserve 4 and 5th chance.

[AK47]

I agree with you but those who are playing last 5 or more than 6 years for example (Coffiliano, Conk, TiMon, Acika) these players deserve 4 and 5th chance.

It all comes down to when certain people repeat the same mistakes over and over again. If they get banned, get another chance, does the same thing and get banned again and it goes on. Why should those people get another chance when they clearly cannot understand what they are doing wrong?

[TrotlDebilni]

Many tried, many failed.

Thank god Everett didn't fail kicking you out of Corleone.

[Sarmed]

It all comes down to when certain people repeat the same mistakes over and over again. If they get banned, get another chance, does the same thing and get banned again and it goes on. Why should those people get another chance when they clearly cannot understand what they are doing wrong?

I never seen before these guys are banned?

Thanks Eymas for quick response, one thing more i want to say;
-Remove lose notoriety in every 10 minutes, suppose i logged in for 1 or 2 hours just i start cooking meth and others stuffs to gain notoriety, no roleplay no fun nothing.

[AK47]

I never seen before these guys are banned?

Was talking more in general.

[Hidduh]

All things have an end. Sadly, Argonath is no exception.

I would not be surprised if Gandalf pulls the plug this coming Thursday to mark the 10th anniversary and the last.

I'm saddened to say that I am kind of expecting the same thing to happen.. If it's not now, then it'll be in the upcoming few years. But hey, nobody knows the future... right?


I joined Argonath back in 2007 when I was about 12/13 years old. When I look back on from where 'my adventure' started up until now, the community has definitely seen some major changes in leadership and vision. Some were good and some were bad... it happens when you run a community this size. I don't agree to some decisions made either but it is, as a community, everyone's responsibility to do something about it instead of pointing fingers, because that's basically a summary of every single topic addressing this issue.. players pointing fingers towards the A-team/HQ and vice versa... I would love to see an unbiased discussion where we can address those issues and solve them together as a whole without any sort of provoking or disrespect.

We've all made mistakes (including myself) which we regret but I seriously don't see the point to be looking back on those times. Whatever happened in the past happened. I would love to see the 'old' Argonath back, where people came to relax and have fun instead of complaining about practically anything.. I'm pretty sure that many of those who are no longer active here left because of that.. and for me it was having to log in on either SA:MP or the forums and having to see either complaining and fighting in-game, or countless topics of community members accusing staff/HQ of wrongdoings or vice versa..

Hell... i don't even know if I still have the right to involve myself in this matter and to speak my mind about it but i'm glad i got an opportunity to address whatever's been floating in my head whenever I look back on Argonath... I still enjoy it too much to sweep it under the carpet and to pretend it never existed.

[Petarda]

Let's wait for 10y anniversary, if it fails and we still don't get players we should just euthanize Argonath 

[Leon.]

Although I posted the topic regarding the gradually lose notoriety script, I would like to clarify that is not the reason I'm not in-game. I am probably the second to last person to be bothered by losing money, notoriety, winning, stats, etc (although they may be fun :P)

It's the inconsistent application of the rules that's made me not want to play on the server, and how loosely defined the term "quality RP" has become.

I have listed a few reasons as to why I am currently inactive in a previous post, but specifically, this is the #1 reason I've recently dropped my activity for now. I fear that even though after all of these years with an impressively clean punishment record, one day I will be banned for something or some "rule" that was never punished for in my days, or simply be in the wrong place at the wrong time, then be expected to know better because I am a "veteran" and should know everything.

[Richard.]

Haven't read all of the replies but I'll share my opinion anyways.

-First thing that has to happen is a meeting in the admin team, they have to privately discuss what's the problem/issue inside the admin-team and solve it.
-Go through all of the server rules, re-think about them and try to have the best out come where all players are happy about it. Less rules changes/creations.
-Less bans, increase admin jail time. Nowadays I don't see any players get warned/kicked/jailed, 90% of punishments are bans and that's wrong, ban should always be the last option.
-General Pardon - Remove all of the current server bans(Except maybe critical ones that have put the server in risk).
-Look for a new blood, basically an admin with great temper to lead the SA:MP. No need to look behind and try to find old managers, instead find new ones that would be excited and interested for a new position.
-More tolerance from admins.

[Leon.]

A lot of suggestions here while bringing valid points have been in a fairly general sense. Here is a very specific suggestion from me.

8. Roleplaying
All players should attempt to roleplay at all times and are expected to roleplay within the boundaries of these rules.  This means player's cannot refuse to roleplay or behave in a manner that is clearly an attempt to ruin the situation that is currently on-going.  Failing to respond to /me and /em actions will be taken as refusal to roleplay.

If you wish to get out of the roleplay situation you are in then you must do so within roleplay boundaries, you cannot quit the game or simply run off or even have a staff member teleport you.  Those that do will simply be punished.

Excessive language within roleplay is fine unless someone in your group gets upset at what is being said then you should stop if told to do so by a Staff member.  Have common courtesy to respect others and not everyone may be fine with what is going on so do take the time to ask if this type of roleplay is okay for them.

We ask that all players be somewhat realistic when they roleplay, we do not wish to have bad practices spread through out the server.  OOC and IC are still not supported by Argonath but we do allow it long as it isn't forced onto those you are roleplaying with.

There is one small thing that needs to be added, since it is enforced.

"In the spirit of roleplay, if calling for backup in a combat, kidnap, or robbery situation, it must be done in a roleplay manner. This includes:
-Calling or sending an SMS.
-Using a CBRadio.

This excludes:
-Using /p
-Using /pm
-Using /gm

If you are a victim and your methods of communication have been confiscated, you may not call for backup.
If you die in the situation, you may not call for backup after the fact to gain revenge."

If this is not going to be added to the rule list, and then added as a "Daily Message" for like two weeks in-game, then don't enforce it.

[Petarda]

The reason of high forum user count and low player count on SAMP is people viewing who's online and who's not. So they join only when their friends are in game and meanwhile they browse and shitpost on forum. I admit I do that too.

No idea how to solve this I'm just stating it as a problem.

[Julio.]

Haven't read all of the replies but I'll share my opinion anyways.

-First thing that has to happen is a meeting in the admin team, they have to privately discuss what's the problem/issue inside the admin-team and solve it.
-Go through all of the server rules, re-think about them and try to have the best out come where all players are happy about it. Less rules changes/creations.
-Less bans, increase admin jail time. Nowadays I don't see any players get warned/kicked/jailed, 90% of punishments are bans and that's wrong, ban should always be the last option.
-General Pardon - Remove all of the current server bans(Except maybe critical ones that have put the server in risk).
-Look for a new blood, basically an admin with great temper to lead the SA:MP. No need to look behind and try to find old managers, instead find new ones that would be excited and interested for a new position.
-More tolerance from admins.

Combine that with removing the gradual notoriety increase (Sorry @Mikro, I see where you were going with this but I think it is putting people off) and it's a good start.