Policy

[Cofiliano]

Lots of interesting opinions. I really wanna know how the majority of the players feel about metagaming, since that's the number one issue apparently.

I'll add a poll to the topic, and everyone can vote for it.
This is not an effort to push some decision based on the poll, yet just to have a clear image on how do people feel about it.

[Julio.]

There's a difference in forbidding it and discouraging it in serious RP.

As a blunt yes/no answer to having a rule in place, I'd support not having it as a rule. Players can enforce it themselves.

[Gandalf]

It is still pretty unclear what people want, and that makes it impossible to make it a rule.
And then there is the statement that people want rules but not enforcement. That is in itself laughable.
If you make anything a rule, it must be enforceable, and must be neforced.
When you can not enforce it, do not make it a rule.

Now metagaming seems to be more than the example of using the name tag of a person in rp conversation or looking at the health bar and asking if he is allright.
Metagaming which people are against seems to be using the scripts and other out-of-rp information to gain an advantage in RP.
Unfortunately that can never be enforced. Any complaint would take too much time to search in logs, and to halt roleplay to handle such complaints would hurt it more as to just play around it.

Everything we do should be focused on roleplay, and mixing it with other things makes it more interesting.
If your group has a meeting you can go to Skype or TS, but you might as well get together in game and hold it RP style. Sure not everything spoken about will be RP, but it will give a much better vibe as doing the metagaming through TeamSpeak so that admins can not find it in chatlogs.

[FARQ3X]

It is still pretty unclear what people want, and that makes it impossible to make it a rule.
And then there is the statement that people want rules but not enforcement. That is in itself laughable.
If you make anything a rule, it must be enforceable, and must be neforced.
When you can not enforce it, do not make it a rule.

Now metagaming seems to be more than the example of using the name tag of a person in rp conversation or looking at the health bar and asking if he is allright.
Metagaming which people are against seems to be using the scripts and other out-of-rp information to gain an advantage in RP.
Unfortunately that can never be enforced. Any complaint would take too much time to search in logs, and to halt roleplay to handle such complaints would hurt it more as to just play around it.

Everything we do should be focused on roleplay, and mixing it with other things makes it more interesting.
If your group has a meeting you can go to Skype or TS, but you might as well get together in game and hold it RP style. Sure not everything spoken about will be RP, but it will give a much better vibe as doing the metagaming through TeamSpeak so that admins can not find it in chatlogs.

How come they are outruled on a lot of other servers and it doesn't halt RPs? Nor does it  make it hard to RP

[jovanca]

What most of people want to know is, are they allowed to /pm their friends 'HELP ME I AM KIDNAPPED' and will they be banned for doing it. That has happened in past, yet apparently there are no rules to define whether is that allowed or not.

[Cofiliano]

There's a difference in forbidding it and discouraging it in serious RP.

As a blunt yes/no answer to having a rule in place, I'd support not having it as a rule. Players can enforce it themselves.

I agree with you, but that means staying in the gray area. And we're withness few bans based on admins judgment of that gray area. That's the problem.

They've called it 'disregarding roleplay' but in reality, its nothing else then metagaming.

What most of people want to know is, are they allowed to /pm their friends 'HELP ME I AM KIDNAPPED' and will they be banned for doing it. That has happened in past, yet apparently there are no rules to define whether is that allowed or not.

This. Even tho its a funny example, people got banned for using /area, or telling their location via /pm/gm..

And if you saw our bans, you'll see we got banned for actually roleplaying tracking down Kenji with a gps tracker chip under his tattoo that we also roleplayed injecting in.

These are all examples of gray areas, and I think we need to define it, one way or the other.

[Stivi]

It doesn't have to be rules. But we absolutely need GUIDELINES and definitions of what is allowed and what is not. That should help clear away any doubts of whether something is allowed or not, which = less bans = more players = better server.

Unwritten rules are not something we need. And to those who say we don't want a jungle of rules, think again. Because having so many unwritten rules that you can't find in the forum ( even search is broken ), it makes it more like a jungle of rules, and no one can remember them all.

[Hess]

Even tho its a funny example, people got banned for using /area, or telling their location via /pm/gm..

Banned for using /area... Oh how things have evolved over the 10 years o.O

[Gandalf]

How come they are outruled on a lot of other servers and it doesn't halt RPs? Nor does it  make it hard to RP

I have no idea how it is now, in the past other servers had very different policies that were clearly inequal.

[Gandalf]

What most of people want to know is, are they allowed to /pm their friends 'HELP ME I AM KIDNAPPED' and will they be banned for doing it. That has happened in past, yet apparently there are no rules to define whether is that allowed or not.

the first admin who bans for that wil have to write an unban request.

That does not mean I approve of people doing this, just it is not reason to ban them.

[FARQ3X]

the first admin who bans for that wil have to write an unban request.

That does not mean I approve of people doing this, just it is not reason to ban them.

Then unban half the fucking banned people right now

[taseen11]

Then unban half the fucking banned people right now

They are

[jovanca]

the first admin who bans for that wil have to write an unban request.

That does not mean I approve of people doing this, just it is not reason to ban them.

Im at work atm so im using phone. I can't find the topics made by teddy or devin or both regarding using /pm and other 'non rp' methods to communicate and general quallity of the roleplay while in a scenario. I am not sure what was conclusion but if i remember well there were several punishments based on quallity of roleplay.

I support their desicion to add such rules, but now it's on you to either stand behind choices made by people you set to run the server or make clear such rules shall not be enforced by staff. We all need that.

[Gandalf]

Im at work atm so im using phone. I can't find the topics made by teddy or devin or both regarding using /pm and other 'non rp' methods to communicate and general quallity of the roleplay while in a scenario. I am not sure what was conclusion but if i remember well there were several punishments based on quallity of roleplay.

I support their desicion to add such rules, but now it's on you to either stand behind choices made by people you set to run the server or make clear such rules shall not be enforced by staff. We all need that.

Script abuse is a tule that has always been in place and can still be used for punishment. Quality of roleplay is subjective and there for can not be a reason for punishment.

[CharlieKasper]

the first admin who bans for that wil have to write an unban request.

That does not mean I approve of people doing this, just it is not reason to ban them.

What would be an appropriate level of punishment for someone who used non roleplay means (such as PM, group message or other platforms like skype) to call their friends for help after the said person has had their roleplay communication equipments seized?