Undercover FBI Agents acting like "new players"

[Arslan]

Wow mate you are so mad right now. I'm sorry i didn't mean to piss on you.

Its okay, I accept your apology.

[Petarda]

cba to read whole thread, it's not only broken english on /l that would be fine

it's more like

"lol what is of trucking??"
"how do that anim???"
"i want sell weed"

[.Matthew.]

cba to read whole thread, it's not only broken english on /l that would be fine

it's more like

"lol what is of trucking??"
"how do that anim???"
"i want sell weed"

And none from undercover people asks those questions.
And Arslan and Jov, go back to work stop slowing down the growth of your business.

[jovanca]

Actually its 8pm. My shift is over and im coming home to prepare the rpg.

[.Matthew.]

[Link9rly]

cba to read whole thread, it's not only broken english on /l that would be fine

it's more like

"lol what is of trucking??"
"how do that anim???"
"i want sell weed"

I've yet to see this but if it's actually happening, that's pretty fucking despicable.

[.Matthew.]

I wouldn't allow that in first place. Using weak English is one thing, but asking questions you know answers to in regards to server is just wasting someone's time and being an idiot.

[Stivi]

I wouldn't allow that in first place. Using weak English is one thing, but asking questions you know answers to in regards to server is just wasting someone's time and being an idiot.

"can i harvest?"

[Leon.]

I'm going to go ahead and ignore the last 9 pages. I know how every topic like this inevitably descends into childish insults one way or another.

Although I commend FBI for the effectiveness of this technique, I feel that it is morally wrong, because I have a tendency to go the extra mile for new players who aspire to enter the criminal world of Argonath, and I feel that FBI will happily take advantage of this. Now I'm going to have a hard time trusting any new player that I see and be less inclined to help them learn how to thrive in the criminal world. Sure, that may be a good thing in the eyes of FBI, but in the grand scheme of things, not so much.

[[Rstar]Peter]

It actually depends on the case, it depends on you to build your way into their groups.
Sometimes you need to act ultra professional to get into specific Mafias, sometimes you should fool them with poor English skills and sometimes you should fool a high ranked member with a fake background and gain their trust. You cant judge something which you don't have any idea about, however unfortunately that's something we used to do on Argonath.

[.Matthew.]

"can i harvest?"

How is "can I harvest" related to anything like "what is the command to harvest"?
There were guns brandished and discharged, the question that was asked at that point was could Amir continue to harvest.

Check Jim Small's case for example, as I know that Jim is a gangster, I used the accent and language fit for the case.
You will also see in upcoming case that plain professional English language was used.

It all depends on case that's in question. One method won't work for all cases. You just need to cope with it and move along.

[Link9rly]

Sometimes you need to act ultra professional to get into specific Mafias, sometimes you should fool them with poor English skills and sometimes you should fool a high ranked member with a fake background and gain their trust.

Your point would be valid except that this is a newbie friendly community. Some of us (including those in high-profile criminal groups) go out of our way to teach new players. That doesn't mean accepting them into the ranks. It's just helping them get started with commands, seeds and whatnot. The fact that people are allegedly taking advantage of a good gesture like this is pretty sad. This is just going to cause the recently increased stigma on new players to just get worse.

[.Matthew.]

None is taking advantage of anything. It's just another topic that's filled by one side in this Argonath's TDM where they accuse the opposite team of something without any base or evidence.
Amir Camorra at no point abused someone or wasted someone's time pretending to be a newbie and asking server related questions that he knew answers about. While I was Amir Camorra, I was trucking, I drove my own personal car, I used my phone, I was at the weed fields and so on, so if I own a house, a car, a phone and am actively trucking and participating in weed field raids, how does that make me a newbie or "undercover agent taking advantage of every argonath player who becomes a saint as soon as he spots a new player"?

Also, I don't think you need to sell or buy weed from a new player either. How does a new player know to harvest or plant weed? I met many new players and gave them money without asking them for weed or something to give me in exchange. If you really wanna help new players, help them without weed and guns.

[[Rstar]Peter]

Your point would be valid except that this is a newbie friendly community. Some of us (including those in high-profile criminal groups) go out of our way to teach new players. That doesn't mean accepting them into the ranks. It's just helping them get started with commands, seeds and whatnot. The fact that people are taking advantage of a good gesture like this is pretty sad. This is just going to cause the recently increased stigma on new players to just get worse.

To be honest its not that much hard to detect a new player.
Almost 0% of the newplayers would disable their /whenmade, country login and so on...
Beside that, most of the times newbies would ask for help on public chat or they will ask administrators. UC agents wouldn't do such things.

[Link9rly]

None is taking advantage of anything. It's just another topic that's filled by one side in this Argonath's TDM where they accuse the opposite team of something without any base or evidence.

I'm not accusing anybody. Prove it if you want.

Amir Camorra at no point abused someone or wasted someone's time pretending to be a newbie and asking server related questions that he knew answers about. While I was Amir Camorra, I was trucking, I drove my own personal car, I used my phone, I was at the weed fields and so on, so if I own a house, a car, a phone and am actively trucking and participating in weed field raids, how does that make me a newbie or "undercover agent taking advantage of every argonath player who becomes a saint as soon as he spots a new player"?

I was not referring to your specific case but was replying to Peter's post. No idea why you jumped to reply so quickly with your anecdote.

To be honest its not that much hard to detect a new player.
Almost 0% of the newplayers would disable their /whenmade, country login and so on...
Beside that, most of the times newbies would ask for help on public chat or they will ask administrators. UC agents wouldn't do such things.

So you're saying I should use OOC/MG commands to detect whether somebody is a newbie or not? Fine with me. Just don't be surprised when myself and others don't incriminate ourselves so willingly.