Tentative: Premium System

[Teddy]

If you don't like... don't pay. Simple as that.

[Comrade]

If you don't like... don't pay. Simple as that.

No, it really isn't. Maybe you should read and respond to the arguments before coming with a half-assed retort like this.

[Essa]

If you don't like... don't pay. Simple as that.

This does not solve anything.

[Teddy]

No, it really isn't. Maybe you should read and respond to the arguments before coming with a half-assed retort like this.

I don't need to read anything. We had this discussion already with the community and designed a system around the feedback provided. This isn't a discussion about if it will or won't be added. That happened. This is a it's going to happen and these are the details. Now stay on topic. Thanks.

[TrotlDebilni]

No, it really isn't. Maybe you should read and respond to the arguments before coming with a half-assed retort like this.

This discussion happened in June, I'm sorry you missed it but Teddy already asked the public for opinions on premium packages and everyone agreed that we should do it. Here it is. Should've spoken about it back then.

[Comrade]

I don't need to read anything.

Yes, you do. Get off your high horse. I have nothing but respect for you and what you have done for this community so far, but that does not mean I will sit by silently when I believe you're steering the ship into an iceberg.

We had this discussion already with the community and designed a system around the feedback provided.

Irrelevant, as per point 5 of the Argonath Vision. I pointed this out (and many other things) in my original post, if you even bothered to read it. For someone who quotes (and presumingly shares) George Washington's views on the importance of having a vision, how can you disregard one so easily?

This isn't a discussion about if it will or won't be added. That happened. This is a it's going to happen and these are the details.

You did not post this in a stickied and locked thread in News & Announcements. You posted this in an unlocked thread in SA:MP General. Discussion can and will happen, this is the definition of a forum.

Now stay on topic. Thanks.

Ted, please. Nothing I have said is off-topic. Everything is relevant, every single word. I am not picking a fight with you, I am merely explaining (to the best of my ability) why I think this is a bad idea, and asked how you could come up with something that directly goes against the Argonath Vision. Since you mentioned Gandalf approved of this, I would like to know how he could have done so. How can we have faith in the HQ when they are being hypocritical about their own guidelines? You dodging the arguments and trying to (wrongfully) imply that I am going off-topic is not helping your cause here. I'm trying to be civil here, the least you could do is show me the same respect.

This discussion happened in June, I'm sorry you missed it but Teddy already asked the public for opinions on premium packages and everyone agreed that we should do it. Here it is. Should've spoken about it back then.

I understand, but I do not acknowledge it as relevant. I stand by the Argonath Vision, specifically point 2, 3 and 5. You as an old veteran should know the significance of this.

[Axison]

Lol. The developers should get a real job instead of getting payed from Argonath.

Not trying to be the guy who spreads negativism but this is a bad idea.

[Mark]

Lol. The developers should get a real job instead of getting payed from Argonath.

Not trying to be the guy who spreads negativism but this is a bad idea.

Even tho i dislike this "premium system", your comment just adds nothing relevant to the discussion, you're not forced to "pay" them. They're not begging you to pay them, they will continue scripting anyway.

[Richard.]

Lol. The developers should get a real job instead of getting payed from Argonath.

Not trying to be the guy who spreads negativism but this is a bad idea.

I don't know if this money will go to them, but even if it does.
They spend alot of their time and without them none of this would here, I believe rewarding them wouldn't be a problem.

[Teddy]

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You are right in saying the vision does condemn this but it doesn't change the fact I am not going to have the discussion all over again. It has nothing to do with my horses or which how much weed the current horse I am on has smoked. It's simply that we already had it. Plus the vision can always been circumvented by Gandalf, as it was here.

Imagine every idea if we had to have the conversation about it 10 times before we implemented it. We would never progress. If the premium system doesn't work out, it doesn't work and we'll probably just keep the premium items available in-game as event rewards... as we'll do anyways.

[Loupidd]

I would like to support Argonath , but the PayPal payment method isn't enough for me duo to bank things and bla bla bla , but I do have a 10$ Paysafe and it has been sitting in my wallet for some months now. So I would like to give that ,instead of PayPal . Can we do something like that?

[Axison]

Even tho i dislike this "premium system", your comment just adds nothing relevant to the discussion, you're not forced to "pay" them. They're not begging you to pay them, they will continue scripting anyway.

True. Even though we're not forced to pay the developers but its kind of unnecessary to even ask for it. For a long time being a developer was volunteer position and once they start believing that they can get paid through this and once they do, the work flow will go down if they don't get paid. You'll see. I can only suggest not going through with this. But thats just my opinion, doesn't really have to be considered.

[Teddy]

True. Even though we're not forced to pay the developers but its kind of unnecessary to even ask for it. For a long time being a developer was volunteer position and once they start believing that they can get paid through this and once they do, the work flow will go down if they don't get paid. You'll see. I can only suggest not going through with this. But thats just my opinion, doesn't really have to be considered.

It's not about being "paid" as most of us have jobs, it's about a little compensation reward. The pay won't be regular and won't be much. It's not like we're asking the community to donate enough to support our lives. Plus the alternative system if you don't feel like contributing to the developers, which is your choice, will go directly to funds to support the game servers.

[FARQ3X]

Ehmm will you sell 4 Door Ranchers? I really want one. like really badly. and ehmm well nothing else rly, just a 4 door rancher x) I will buy it for 5 euros

[Comrade]

[...] we'll probably just keep the premium items available in-game as event rewards [...]

This is exactly how it should be from the beginning. Got new content? Great. Don't keep it behind a paywall. Yes, I understand that even with the subscription system, players are able to get the Premium items from events, but that doesn't justify it. This is not the Argonath I know and love, and perhaps that is what hurts the most. This may be a new age, but shitting on the vision is the same as shitting on the veterans. Hell, can you imagine what @JDC would say to this?

I suppose if this is decided then it is decided, there is nothing I can do but continuing voicing my disdain and give my honest feedback. Thank you for your time.

P.S: Since the current vision is officially flushed down the crapper retired, maybe time to make a new one? For a new 10 years, I guess.