Tentative: Premium System

[Norrage]

This discussion happened in June, I'm sorry you missed it but Teddy already asked the public for opinions on premium packages and everyone agreed that we should do it. Here it is. Should've spoken about it back then.

I'm sorry what? I have never seen anything (or I cannot remember) a discussion about premium shit.

You are right in saying the vision does condemn this but it doesn't change the fact I am not going to have the discussion all over again. It has nothing to do with my horses or which how much weed the current horse I am on has smoked. It's simply that we already had it. Plus the vision can always been circumvented by Gandalf, as it was here.

Imagine every idea if we had to have the conversation about it 10 times before we implemented it. We would never progress. If the premium system doesn't work out, it doesn't work and we'll probably just keep the premium items available in-game as event rewards... as we'll do anyways.

Well I would like to imagine the idea of having the same conversation on a fragile server like SA:MP. If a premium system will not work the player count will drop again and we start with the same shit all over again.

If any of this stuff is implemented, I will resign from any of my positions in SA:MP. Do not take this as an ultimatum, but I refuse to play on a server with premium content in return of money. I am quite sure I am not the only one thinking like this.

[Teddy]

This is exactly how it should be from the beginning. Got new content? Great. Don't keep it behind a paywall. Yes, I understand that even with the subscription system, players are able to get the Premium items from events, but that doesn't justify it. This is not the Argonath I know and love, and perhaps that is what hurts the most. This may be a new age, but shitting on the vision is the same as shitting on the veterans. Hell, can you imagine what JDC would say to this?

I suppose of this is decided then it is decided, there is nothing I can do but continuing voicing my disdain and give my honest feedback. Thank you for your time.

We are, the Sauron's TeddyBear event gives premium items as a reward. At zero cost. It also isn't a skill-based event so if you suck at DMing, or flying, or DDs then you aren't at a disadvantage to others. This Sauron's TeddyBear is only month one event, each month will introduce a new event that will give frequent premium rewards to non-payers. As I said, paying is only a shortcut. There's no real advantage other than saving time. Which rewards the developers or the server for ... well time. It's all on time.

Yes, I know what JDC would say because he did respond to that topic. He brought up some points but at the end of the day we go with what the community as a whole wants. You will always have a voice. We asked the community already. That's one thing I swore from day one I would work with the community. While I am not leading anything, the current leader of the dev team respects that same fundamental as does the dev team.

You maybe right and this totally won't work. In fact, I am mostly assuming on it won't work.

[Younes]

Even tho i dislike this "premium system", your comment just adds nothing relevant to the discussion, you're not forced to "pay" them. They're not begging you to pay them, they will continue scripting anyway.

No one forced them to script for Argonath either. They are volunteers;

Notes for server developer
* This is a volunteer position. You will never be paid.

It isn't really a problem to give some donation to scripters which usually gives them a push and makes them do even more, but seriously, you think this is the best way to do this?

[djole]

Ehmm will you sell 4 Door Ranchers? I really want one. like really badly. and ehmm well nothing else rly, just a 4 door rancher x) I will buy it for 5 euros

Fully supported, I really like this idea.

[Teddy]

It isn't really a problem to give some donation to scripters which usually gives them a push and makes them do even more, but seriously, you think this is the best way to do this?

Then don't donate to the scripters, an alternative system will exist that goes directly to supporting the server. Although cost isn't really of any concern at our current rate.

This doesn't promise the current dev team gets paid. It's not like they'll be bringing thousands of dollars a month, probably if it even works no more than a few dollars. What's that... a cup of coffee?

[Norrage]

Then don't donate to the scripters, an alternative system will exist that goes directly to supporting the server. Although cost isn't really of any concern at our current rate.

This doesn't promise the current dev team gets paid. It's not like they'll be bringing thousands of dollars a month, probably if it even works no more than a few dollars. What's that... a cup of coffee?

It does not matter if they get paid thousands or just some cents, it is all about the idea of people getting paid if they applied for it on a volunteer position. In the past 10 years we never had this discussion, what made this?

[Loupidd]

I really like this idea.

What about my idea. Instead of PayPal im willing to pay in Paysafe. Is that possible?

[Allison]

Then don't donate to the scripters, an alternative system will exist that goes directly to supporting the server. Although cost isn't really of any concern at our current rate.

This doesn't promise the current dev team gets paid. It's not like they'll be bringing thousands of dollars a month, probably if it even works no more than a few dollars. What's that... a cup of coffee?

New pair of shoes.

Fully supported, I really like this idea.

+1

[Fuzzy]

I'm sorry what? I have never seen anything (or I cannot remember) a discussion about premium shit.

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=117237.0

[Teddy]

It does not matter if they get paid thousands or just some cents, it is all about the idea. In the past 10 years we never had this discussion, what made this?

I am not entirely sure what started the conversation about it. It was just mentioned once and we discussed it internally, some were against including myself for a time but after a while I saw the benefits of it. I understand it goes against a tradition of no-pay for over a decade. I get it. I'm not entirely sure if you've notice though but this isn't the same community it was 10 years ago. It's not the same community it was 8 years ago. It's not the same community it was even 5 years ago. A lot of it is the players and if we like it or not, we have to respect what the players want. A lot of people were in favor of this concept.

Again, this is NOT pay to win. Everything, 100% of what is premium can be EARNED in-game.

[Norrage]

I am not entirely sure what started the conversation about it. It was just mentioned once and we discussed it internally, some were against including myself for a time but after a while I saw the benefits of it. I understand it goes against a tradition of no-pay for over a decade. I get it. I'm not entirely sure if you've notice though but this isn't the same community it was 10 years ago. It's not the same community it was 8 years ago. It's not the same community it was even 5 years ago. A lot of it is the players and if we like it or not, we have to respect what the players want. A lot of people were in favor of this concept.

Again, this is NOT pay to win. Everything, 100% of what is premium can be EARNED in-game.

Up to the rest of the server then. I still refuse to play on a server with this mentality, and I am quite sure I am not the only one thinking the same. Good luck with this bullshit concept.

[Teddy]

New pair of shoes.

I wear Jordan's, don't think a few dollars will cover them

What about my idea. Instead of PayPal im willing to pay in Paysafe. Is that possible?

I am not entirely sure, we can see about that when/if we make the alternate system.

[Teddy]

Up to the rest of the server then. I still refuse to play on a server with this mentality, and I am quite sure I am not the only one thinking the same. Good luck with this bullshit concept.

That is your right to choose that and it should be respected. Nobody here will try and talk you out of it. I understand your point of view. I really do.

[FARQ3X]

That is your right to choose that and it should be respected. Nobody here will try and talk you out of it. I understand your point of view. I really do.

What about those 4 Door Ranchers? 10€ and bidding fam x) REALLY want one for RP reasons :3

[Bogomil]

I have a feeling an FBI member will keep the teddy bear until Monday, because they'll get free namechanges and will make their UC easier.
I'm still against that anyway. One way or another when you see you get profit from this I guess you'll make the server pay2play. That definitely gives advantage to the rich people. Never been like this, and I think we can even change the motto "a world of its own" to "a world of my own money"