Argonath SA:MP RP or TDM?

[Shorty.]

Alright so here's the situation:
Criminals are always overnumered than SAPD, and they always use their benefit on weed fields, getting 10-20 people guarding
spots, and this happens so often.

SAPD were offered backup by SIC, they accepted it, it was their decision.
Why can't SAPD call other groups while criminals always do it? They always call backup from other groups.
I understand this might sound crazy because SAPD involved a criminal group, but this criminal group didn't do any crime in that situation.
So by SAPD perspective it looked fine.


Me as a witness who also fought alongside SAPD, I think that it was completely fine by SAPD, because they are always outnumbered.
If it is about poor RP from SAPD, this actualy not. Because it's not RP that criminals are always overnumbered.

And then giving the weed field to criminals? sure, we'll make this server great again 

[Claudia]

And then giving the weed field to criminals? sure, we'll make this server great again 

This is just corruption, this can solved by RP not by posting a forum thread.

[Shorty.]

This is just corruption, this can solved by RP not by posting a forum thread.

This is funny, sure, call SAPD SIC and other criminal groups, and we'll make a meeting IG.

[Claudia]

This is funny, sure, call SAPD SIC and other criminal groups, and we'll make a meeting IG.

No, just report them to the IA.

[Reasy]

I was extremely clear IG and here, I'll request each one of you to quit hitting each other with offensive comments, as it will lead to nowhere but punishments. Next time, poor situations like these happen, severe punishments will be given, plain and simple. Feel free to approach me privately if you have any questions.

[jovanca]

Alright so here's the situation:
Criminals are always overnumered than SAPD, and they always use their benefit on weed fields, getting 10-20 people guarding
spots, and this happens so often.

SAPD were offered backup by SIC, they accepted it, it was their decision.
Why can't SAPD call other groups while criminals always do it? They always call backup from other groups.
I understand this might sound crazy because SAPD involved a criminal group, but this criminal group didn't do any crime in that situation.
So by SAPD perspective it looked fine.


Me as a witness who also fought alongside SAPD, I think that it was completely fine by SAPD (OOC, IC it's considered corruption), because they are always outnumbered.
If it is about poor RP from SAPD, this actualy not. Because it's not RP that criminals are always overnumbered.

They didn't comit any crimes beside being heavyly armed and offering to kill people?

Damn it man you just got no clue how roleplay works, do you? If cops are outnumbered no one forces them to go rambo and always shoot criminals who comit crimes. They could also have tried gathering evidence and ROLEPLAYING instead of causing a huge dm fest by involving criminal group in their shootout.

It is people like you who think every crime scene always has to end up with a shootout. You complained about the win mentallity from criminal side while right now you are trying to justify the exact same thing from both police and criminal side. Good job

[Claudia]

They didn't comit any crimes beside being heavyly armed and offering to kill people?

Damn it man you just got no clue how roleplay works, do you? If cops are outnumbered no one forces them to go rambo and always shoot criminals who comit crimes. They could also have tried gathering evidence and ROLEPLAYING instead of causing a huge dm fest by involving criminal group in their shootout.

It is people like you who think every crime scene always has to end up with a shootout. You complained about the win mentallity from criminal side while right now you are trying to justify the exact same thing from both police and criminal side. Good job

You didn't understand me.
My point is, for SAPD's perspective it's not considered as crime to help them.

[jovanca]

You didn't understand me.
My point is, for SAPD's perspective it's not considered as crime to help them.

SAPD isn't above the law SAPD is there to enforce the law. What you are saying makes no sense

[Claudia]

SAPD isn't above the law SAPD is there to enforce the law. What you are saying makes no sense

Yes, and if they do not enforce the law, it's corruption.
So what's the problem of being corrupted? It's role play.

[jovanca]

Yes, and if they do not enforce the law, it's corruption.
So what's the problem of being corrupted? It's role play.

So you willl justify the tdm mentallity you all have by saying 'they are corrupt'? Do they exactly roleplay being corrupt or does it only come handy as an excuse in situations like this one?

[Claudia]

So you willl justify the tdm mentallity you all have by saying 'they are corrupt'? Do they exactly roleplay being corrupt or does it only come handy as an excuse in situations like this one?

As Alfred told us in the game, this is considered as a DM because SAPD failed to inform the other side that they formed a group with other criminals. That was the only problem, not because they decided to cooperate with criminals.
I do not know how each corrupted officer presents his role play.

[jovanca]

As Alfred told us in the game, this is considered as a DM because SAPD failed to inform the other side that they formed a group with other criminals. That was the only problem, not because they decided to cooperate with criminals.
I do not know how each corrupted officer presents his role play.

This has nothing to do with cops being corrupt, you and i both know that. It was all only about winning a shootout, and that'sexactly the kins of mentallity that's been destroying the server.

[Claudia]

This has nothing to do with cops being corrupt, you and i both know that. It was all only about winning a shootout, and that'sexactly the kins of mentallity that's been destroying the server.

Unfortunately that what most of the players do.
Nothing I can do about it, and I'm completely againts P2W.

But let me tell you something, SAPD and FBI were doing very well in that shootout without criminals. That shootout was at least 30 minutes, and we managed to kill 5 criminals and losing 1 officer BEFORE SAPD accepted SIC help.

[Spike.]

This is just corruption, this can solved by RP not by posting a forum thread.

No, just report them to the IA.

SAPD isn't above the law SAPD is there to enforce the law. What you are saying makes no sense

I wonder where those other FBI agents that were attempting to take down corruption like this went.  Oh wait..   

[Pete]

I agree on the DM part, and that SIC did engage without interaction.
 But you also bash on SIC and SAPD teaming up RPly, I don't see anything wrong here...I mean in desperate times you take desperate measures.  The enemy of my enemy is my friend..You know all that..and the DM thing as far as I can see was solved IG by staff members, so why do you bring that to the forum?
 And if you feel that Argonath is turning into a TDM server, you are wrong. In the last months the DM has been lowered down...and you can't expect NO shootouts with so many crime organizations (And you should make the difference between a shootout that is justified and DM) And trust me DM gets punished and is not tolerated.