Stock market

[Kessu]

Sure, keep 'em coming

[Mex]

Very kool idea!

To avoid people abusing it for money, 100% of input/output money for the stock market should come from players money.

[Kessu]

To avoid people abusing it for money, 100% of input/output money for the stock market should come from players money.

Agreed, money for scripts like this won't be spawned by script itself, it'll be by the players for the players type of script.

[SamirM]

To avoid people abusing it for money, 100% of input/output money for the stock market should come from players money.

Agreed, money for scripts like this won't be spawned by script itself, it'll be by the players for the players type of script.

Alright then, so are you gonna implement this idea or what? Should I suggest more or is some part of the idea crap?

EDIT - holy shit the ability to quote quotes inside quotes is implemented in this forum my life is complete

[Kessu]

This idea is nowhere near ready to even be considered for implementation.

We're currently focusing our crosshairs on more pressing matters than a massive idea that is hit or miss anyway.

We'll have a proper look once we can come up with the complete system for this idea and be sure that scripts can properly support such an idea without fucking players over drastically.

[stormeus]

As far as I can tell, this idea is unworkable for a couple of reasons.

First, making the server simulate a stock market is completely unreasonable. We're not seasoned economists who can model how a stock market would act even within the constraints of the game world, so completely forget about that option.

Second, we could make the stock market more realistic to (ironically) make it simpler to implement and understand. Business owners would create shares in their company and sell them to people; we don't set the price of a share, people just pay what they think would be a fair price for the profit potential. Shareholders can also sell their shares to someone else. In return, those shareholders automatically get a percentage of profits according to how many shares they own.

In this case, you have a pretty simple stock market, but how does a business pay for their expenses now? The shareholders need to collect their slice of the profits, so now there's no money to spend on stock. Are shareholders also supposed to pay their share of business expenses? How do you avoid someone scamming shareholders by issuing a bunch of shares to make money, then refusing to buy stock?


Instead of having a full-blown stock market, we could let players RP it™ using extremely simple scripts and the court system. Business owners can make contracts with other players to share profits in exchange for money, like:

• I, player A, promise to give 40% of all profits in my Ammu-Nation to player B for some period of time in exchange for $1,000,000 in investment.
• If I fail to make some amount of profit within some period of time, I will pay some penalty to player B.
• If I become inactive and the business becomes abandoned, player B is entitled to 40% of the property's value.

On the script side, businesses can add "observers" who can check the books (essentially how much money was spent on stock in the past week vs. how much money was spent), and that'd be it.

[Huntsman]

Do we really need this???

[Kowalski.]

Do we really need this???

Not the idea initially proposed, though I quite like Stormeus's idea :P

[JackDockz]

Do we really need this???

No

[Kessu]

Do we really need this???

Do we really need FBI???

Just because a script isn't necessarily needed doesn't mean it's useless and should not be scripted.

This would essentially just be something extra for legal business owners who would be willing to invest in multiple businesses and run a proper firm, such as White Shadows Enterprises and the likes that we have seen before, but has not gotten any traction due to lack of script support in the business system.

[SamirM]

As far as I can tell, this idea is unworkable for a couple of reasons.

First, making the server simulate a stock market is completely unreasonable. We're not seasoned economists who can model how a stock market would act even within the constraints of the game world, so completely forget about that option.

Second, we could make the stock market more realistic to (ironically) make it simpler to implement and understand. Business owners would create shares in their company and sell them to people; we don't set the price of a share, people just pay what they think would be a fair price for the profit potential. Shareholders can also sell their shares to someone else. In return, those shareholders automatically get a percentage of profits according to how many shares they own.

In this case, you have a pretty simple stock market, but how does a business pay for their expenses now? The shareholders need to collect their slice of the profits, so now there's no money to spend on stock. Are shareholders also supposed to pay their share of business expenses? How do you avoid someone scamming shareholders by issuing a bunch of shares to make money, then refusing to buy stock?


Instead of having a full-blown stock market, we could let players RP it™ using extremely simple scripts and the court system. Business owners can make contracts with other players to share profits in exchange for money, like:

• I, player A, promise to give 40% of all profits in my Ammu-Nation to player B for some period of time in exchange for $1,000,000 in investment.
• If I fail to make some amount of profit within some period of time, I will pay some penalty to player B.
• If I become inactive and the business becomes abandoned, player B is entitled to 40% of the property's value.

On the script side, businesses can add "observers" who can check the books (essentially how much money was spent on stock in the past week vs. how much money was spent), and that'd be it.

I guess this'd be a good idea if the initial idea isn't possible to/is a mindfuck to implement.


On another note, my life is fullfilled. The man, the myth, the one and only legend, stormeous, replied to me!

Do we really need this???

In this case, I think you do have a point. Then again, do we really need gear 6 :/

Just because a script isn't necessarily needed doesn't mean it's useless and should not be scripted.