Roleplay direction of the server

[Bogomil]

- We should allow for people to refuse being taken in to the same scenario on every step they take (for instance robbing, traffic controls).

We must encourage people to roleplay at all times, and if people are clearly not present to roleplay we can take measures. However it is impossible to oblige people to roleplay in every situation.
Please keep any changes to rules enforceable.

I would like to suggest adding a new rule - robberies or kidnappings to be allowed once per three days and under strict roleplay reasons.

Just find someone else to play with...why interact with someone who is not interested?

The point is being more strict about it. If players really do like the server, I don't see any of them leaving it because they are being told to roleplay. However if they have this thing in their head that makes them believe that they don't have to roleplay whenever they feel like it, a punishment or two will change this behaviour.

If they continue even after being punished a few times, then

if they aren't interested they should be removed from the server

^ This should be implemented as well.

I don't want the topic to be forgotten until changes are made.

[Hammer_]

Also, if you want to kidnap him/her, you have already seen the guy right? How come you recognize him from any car? They just see the name tag, and MG. That's all. Role-Play it like a perfect, go to him, call the guy who saw him, describe him w/e. "TALKING ABOUT THE KIDNAPPING PART". Most of them just see the nametag, stop his vehicle, and get him out. That's whats done in Argo.

[Darty]

I would like to suggest adding a new rule - robberies or kidnappings to be allowed once per three days and under strict roleplay reasons.

This would actually make a change.

[Pete]

I would like to suggest adding a new rule - robberies or kidnappings to be allowed once per three days and under strict roleplay reasons.

Yeee in a light RP server....sure.  IDK why people keep asking for strict rules when Argonath is considered a light RP server. Everyone does that, most of the rules and understandings of RP are of a medium RP-like server. When Argonath is considered a light one...that bugs me of the most. Accept that it's a light RP and don't expect top notch RP from everyone and perfect describing of things.

That's what's wrong, not the fact that nobody wants to RP or their RP is poor or people create shitty reasons to rob/kill..
We can't have high RP requirement when the server itself isn't...

[Kacper_Gorski]

look up "strict rp servers samp" in google and go there instead of moaning that there is no rules here, because there are. if you kill someone without a good enough rp reason, you will be punished, and that's from experience.

I would like to suggest adding a new rule - robberies or kidnappings to be allowed once per three days and under strict roleplay reasons.

This would actually make a change.

no it wouldn't

[Miki.]

I would like to suggest adding a new rule - robberies or kidnappings to be allowed once per three days and under strict roleplay reasons.

Yeee in a light RP server....sure.  IDK why people keep asking for strict rules when Argonath is considered a light RP server. Everyone does that, most of the rules and understandings of RP are of a medium RP-like server. When Argonath is considered a light one...that bugs me of the most. Accept that it's a light RP and don't expect top notch RP from everyone and perfect describing of things.

That's what's wrong, not the fact that nobody wants to RP or their RP is poor or people create shitty reasons to rob/kill..
We can't have high RP requirement when the server itself isn't...

You're right here, thing is server's RP level went to the biggest down hill it was ever in, at least since I'm here and it's not related to rules or anything some stuff are just logical it's understandable that you shouldn't rob the same person daily or kidnap him daily for pathetic reasons. some rules shouldn't be written to be obeyed. light roleplay doesn't mean it's more tending into shooting then roleplay. light RP comes in more of a script wise such as jail is 200 seconds and not days like in other RP servers and other examples. light RP doesn't mean you can poorly RP and get away with in low roleplay is a punishment as well because there are some standards that we should keep or else the server will fall even more till it becomes a TDM server.

I just witnessed several robberies that were going around daily using the fact robbery doesn't necessarily need a reason.
or on the other hand people manipulating others to get kidnap, how is that possible? you around to the same player daily insulting him if he ignored " he ignored me so I'll kidnap" if he responds " he insulted back so I'll kidnap him" and there are more ways, these who do that know that you can easily get reasons to hunt people over OOC reasons.

in my opinion server fix will come from proper punishing every kidnap that gets reported should be properly investigated and not look at the small details such as " weapons were shown" but look at the reason behind the interaction if you come to kidnap knowing you got no proper reason you should get punished. so normal people will get first warning will not keep this mistake going and these who can't live with standards will eventually get banned because constantly getting kidnapped is ruining some one's gameplay. take stuff into more seriousness I'm not saying RP 24/7 I'm saying look at stuff more from a character perspective when you log into the server then combining it with your own opinions on people or OOC.

I personally used to RP 24/7 and I found it fun but you can't really find people to interact with - /p off /pm off and live your moment by character you want to just speak with some one? /call him and meet him and try to get OOC questions and  information through character and try to forget that /pm exists you can't no longer ask people questions like" how much this costs" "do you have that in stock" - you'll need to call them and meet and interact RP.

but didn't work out well for me or my group members that tryed that we found ourselves RPing mostly alone except some exceptional people.

[Bogomil]

We already had the discussion about the 'always winning mentality', but it's not about light, medium or heavy RP, Pete. I am prone to roleplay with someone who's ready to put an effort in the right direction, someone whose english isn't fluent, but understands the meaning of roleplay rather than some methgrinding guy who drives full armored in his sultan and looks for someone to rob. For a long time, the server has been more like cops n robbers than a roleplay one. Why should we stay light roleplay server if almost everyone wants a change? Only 5 people out of 80 like the current roleplay status of the server. We should implement stricter roleplay rules.

[Bogomil]

look up "strict rp servers samp" in google and go there instead of moaning that there is no rules here, because there are. if you kill someone without a good enough rp reason, you will be punished, and that's from experience.

I would like to suggest adding a new rule - robberies or kidnappings to be allowed once per three days and under strict roleplay reasons.

This would actually make a change.

no it wouldn't

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[Darty]

Ya'll say you want a change, but then " oh no light rp server ", you do realise that the standarts of roleplaying are so low? And you do realise that we have mostly 20 players daily because of that? Today robberies and kidnaps can be done by anyone with 10 lines at most. You want a change? Than fucking make the rules strict. Get rid of the fucking light roleplay server mentality. Start roleplaying instead of bullshitting 24/7 and moan about the roleplay later.

[Bogomil]

look up "strict rp servers samp" in google and go there instead of moaning that there is no rules here, because there are. if you kill someone without a good enough rp reason, you will be punished, and that's from experience.

I would like to suggest adding a new rule - robberies or kidnappings to be allowed once per three days and under strict roleplay reasons.

This would actually make a change.

no it wouldn't

Look what you suggested not while ago. You are literally opposing me for saying something that you suggested.
 

why not make it 1 day gang rule? people cry too often and cry if you come back 5 minutes before 3 hours over, make it 24 hours and boom

not only this, but i'd like everyone to discuss what they'd like to see regarding the "rp's" between the gangs/mafias.


By this, instead of having 3 hours from interacting, why not make it 24 hours?

/DISCUSS

You either don't understand what I'm saying, or your opinion changes once per week. Read again what this topic is about, form an opinion and if you feel ready to make a constructive comment - I'll be here to support you. Until then, please don't spread toxins.

[Pete]

I am not saying we should stay light RP, I am saying WE ARE in a light RP server. None of us are the owner and we can't change that. And if you can't find a person that have your "roleplay requirements" it certainly isn't the server's fault nor the rules one...not yours. It's just how people are in Argonath, and if by any reason there is a change in the RP standards (not only rules but overall change) it would turn into a different server, nobody knows what will happen, you will like it, others will hate it and so on.

You're right here, thing is server's RP level went to the biggest down hill it was ever in, at least since I'm here and it's not related to rules or anything some stuff are just logical it's understandable that you shouldn't rob the same person daily or kidnap him daily for pathetic reasons. some rules shouldn't be written to be obeyed. light roleplay doesn't mean it's more tending into shooting then roleplay. light RP comes in more of a script wise such as jail is 200 seconds and not days like in other RP servers and other examples. light RP doesn't mean you can poorly RP and get away with in low roleplay is a punishment as well because there are some standards that we should keep or else the server will fall even more till it becomes a TDM server.

Why then people get away with low RP? The RP standards went downhill because it was allowed.....people understand RP differently. It is understandable for you and me that we shouldn't rob the same person daily, but for others it's totally normal and as long as you get away with doing it, why not do it? For example, if you get caught for robbing a bank but you are not punished, why not do it again...
And no light RP isn't more of script wise thing (might be wrong, that's my understanding of light RP) it's just there isn't so many strict rules about roleplaying and has more of a free feel to it. Like the whole exit int thing, spawn wherever you want, blips and so on.

[Miki.]

I am not saying we should stay light RP, I am saying WE ARE in a light RP server. None of us are the owner and we can't change that. And if you can't find a person that have your "roleplay requirements" it certainly isn't the server's fault nor the rules one...not yours. It's just how people are in Argonath, and if by any reason there is a change in the RP standards (not only rules but overall change) it would turn into a different server, nobody knows what will happen, you will like it, others will hate it and so on.

You're right here, thing is server's RP level went to the biggest down hill it was ever in, at least since I'm here and it's not related to rules or anything some stuff are just logical it's understandable that you shouldn't rob the same person daily or kidnap him daily for pathetic reasons. some rules shouldn't be written to be obeyed. light roleplay doesn't mean it's more tending into shooting then roleplay. light RP comes in more of a script wise such as jail is 200 seconds and not days like in other RP servers and other examples. light RP doesn't mean you can poorly RP and get away with in low roleplay is a punishment as well because there are some standards that we should keep or else the server will fall even more till it becomes a TDM server.

Why then people get away with low RP? The RP standards went downhill because it was allowed.....people understand RP differently. It is understandable for you and me that we shouldn't rob the same person daily, but for others it's totally normal and as long as you get away with doing it, why not do it? For example, if you get caught for robbing a bank but you are not punished, why not do it again...
And no light RP isn't more of script wise thing (might be wrong, that's my understanding of light RP) it's just there isn't so many strict rules about roleplaying and has more of a free feel to it. Like the whole exit int thing, spawn wherever you want, blips and so on.

Light RP is more script wise, in hardcore RP servers there are no limits to anything if you RP it properly you can RP a kid rapist if that's what you wish you can do what ever you want if it includes proper RP. blips not showing - script | jail for days- script and many more of course it's not only script but it is mainly that.

That's my point here that if you don't get caught you continue here everything should start, you can't throw the " start the change from yourself" because I know more then enough people that are doing their bests the change should come from the punishing as well I'm not saying make strict RP rules I'm saying if you see low roleplay or some one's gameplay getting ruined notify the player that it shouldn't be like that and even punish if needed.

[Pete]

I agree here, we have a saying in Bulgarian "One bird can't make autumn happen" Even if you bring your top notch RP and the other guy is just straight not RPing..you can't do much.
Agreed about the whole poor RP thing with you, and that's the only way to get back to some RP standard.

[Bogomil]

I agree here, we have a saying in Bulgarian "One bird can't make autumn happen"

spring*

[Miki.]

I agree here, we have a saying in Bulgarian "One bird can't make autumn happen" Even if you bring your top notch RP and the other guy is just straight not RPing..you can't do much.
Agreed about the whole poor RP thing with you, and that's the only way to get back to some RP standard.

Definitely, I know some people lack knowledge in roleplay but that's because they interact with the wrong people I observed new players over coming veteran roleplay skills with the right interactions and people. and the fact there are people and even veterans that are pushing people into the wrong direction is out of the " It's allowed" thing. poor RP was never allowed but some how the whole meaning of low RP went even lower and now low RP is considered just shooting with out a word. you can end up killing some one in less than 4 sentences when before not only you wouldn't search for a quick kill. even a quick kill would take at least 20 minutes.

the moment the RP will get higher and DM will be more strictly chosen and punished as for having normal reasons, people's mentality will change and instead of killing with no reasons or much of RP needed they will start to try and over RP each other. and this will slowly contribute to a change it's a chain reaction.