Roleplay direction of the server

[Bennzy]

Just because someone rps a robbery constanty, kidnappimg or whatever, doesnt meann the rules should change, everything is one in a roleplay manner.

Yes, that's why I started the topic actually. Because there's no limit on this. Same people do the same kidnappings and robberies on daily basis and there's no rule stopping them. I think that's shit.
I'm not being sensitive, I'm trying to raise the standards of roleplay. If you feel offended by this then you're probably one of the people this topic is about.

Because of these types of few families, people check player list on the client first and then login or don't because they are scared of them  and they know if they'll login, that XXX group will kill/kidnap him.

[Bogomil]

Just because someone rps a robbery constanty, kidnappimg or whatever, doesnt meann the rules should change, everything is one in a roleplay manner.

Yes, that's why I started the topic actually. Because there's no limit on this. Same people do the same kidnappings and robberies on daily basis and there's no rule stopping them. I think that's shit.
I'm not being sensitive, I'm trying to raise the standards of roleplay. If you feel offended by this then you're probably one of the people this topic is about.

Because of these types of few families, people check player list on the client first and then login or don't because they are scared of them  and they know if they'll login, that XXX group will kill/kidnap him.

Yes, that's totally true. I first check who's online and then join.

[Bennzy]

Just because someone rps a robbery constanty, kidnappimg or whatever, doesnt meann the rules should change, everything is one in a roleplay manner.

Yes, that's why I started the topic actually. Because there's no limit on this. Same people do the same kidnappings and robberies on daily basis and there's no rule stopping them. I think that's shit.
I'm not being sensitive, I'm trying to raise the standards of roleplay. If you feel offended by this then you're probably one of the people this topic is about.

Because of these types of few families, people check player list on the client first and then login or don't because they are scared of them  and they know if they'll login, that XXX group will kill/kidnap him.

Yes, that's totally true. I first check who's online and then join.

Many people do, before when my name used to be "Ben Alone", i used to work for Aiden Scotto, because of that i used to get kidnapped/robbed more than 3 times a day daily, when someone sees me from group XXX  he calls his members/associates, kidnaps me and kills me, i was like ALONE so didn't try to get revenge and admins also said that "THEY ARE RPING".

[Kacper_Gorski]

Why should there be a limit on doing so?

[Bogomil]

Because 60 of 77 people are not happy with this, 14 lost their hopes already. And those five people who still think it's all good are probably the reason everyone else is unhappy or leaving.
Learn to roleplay without guns and you'll be able to call yourself a criminal.

[Miki.]

Spoiler for Hiden:

Bogomil(8) looks around.

PM from [tcl]imam(3): I will be RPing as manager, I would /do the casheir

Cashier: Welcome to the restaurant! ([tcl]imam(3))

Bogomil(8) says: Hello there !

Cashier says: What do you need sir? ([tcl]imam(3))

Bogomil(8) says: Uhm, can I have the menu as a start?

Bogomil would notices the list of menu on the table. ([tcl]imam(3))

Animation applied.

Bogomil(8) opens the menu and looks inside.

what would bogomil see (Bogomil(8))

Foods: Burger, Sandwich, Pizza. ([tcl]imam(3))

Drinks: hampagne, beer, sprunk, cola. ([tcl]imam(3))

Bogomil(8) says: Ai'ght.

Bogomil(8) says: I'll have Burger, sandwich and pizza with two beers.

Cashier says: Alright, you may take a seat. ([tcl]imam(3))

Bogomil(8) is already sitting.

[tcl]imam(3) starts taking the ingredients below the table.

ADVERTISEMENT: Temple Restaurant is open! Come and get yourslef filled!{FFA500}, contact [tcl]imam(Phone: 1221)

There would be bread, vegetable, roasts, cheese. ([tcl]imam(3))

[tcl]imam(3) places the grilled bread on the plate.

Bogomil(8) looks at the pictures on the wall.

Bogomil(8) says: I've been there !

Bogomil(8) says: That's in Bone County.

[tcl]imam(3) says: You don't drink?

[tcl]imam(3) looks at the picture.

[tcl]imam(3) says: I see.

[tcl]imam(3) places the plate on the table.

Bogomil(8) says: I ordered two beers.

[tcl]imam(3) says: Oh my bad.

[tcl]imam(3) notices two individuals.

*Matt Corleonesi and Aiden Corleone come in the restaurant*

Bogomil(8) slides the plate towards him.

[tcl]imam(3) steps backward, having a surprised expression.

[tcl]imam(3) says: Ye.... yeah.

Bogomil(8) won't start eating without his beer.

[tcl]imam(3) eyes the firearms.

[tcl]imam(3) says: What both of you want to do here?

[tcl]imam(3) says: No.

Aiden_Corleone(0) says [italian accent]: I see. 

Aiden_Corleone(0) says [italian accent]: Maybe its time someone shows you.

[TCL]Matt_Corleonesi(4) looks around.

Bogomil(8) stands up.

[08:39:26] Animation canceled.

Aiden_Corleone(0) attempts to grab Imam's shirt collar.

Bogomil(8) runs away.

(to summarize - me and Imam were having a nice rp and suddenly two armed people come inside with the intention to rob)

^ This is what I'm talking about. I usually don't mind roleplaying a robbery, but hey...same people are doing same things over and over again...this getting way too much. That is the criminal mentality I was talking about. Some people need to act like criminals absolutely reckless and foolish 24/7. I can't understand this mentality. If you want to be a criminal, do it in a proper way. Aiden and Matt did the same thing a week ago, getting mad over a $100 bill in the restaurant and decided to rob everyone so we can all see how powerful they are.

Spoiler for Hiden:

[08:47:34] PM to Aiden_Corleone(0): what 

[08:47:45] PM from Aiden_Corleone(0): I told imam to open up a restaurant

[08:48:10] PM from Aiden_Corleone(0): Cause we wanted to RP something

[08:48:25] PM from Aiden_Corleone(0): And its shit when we Role Play with the walls

[08:48:33] PM from Aiden_Corleone(0): So I would either have someone to RP with..

[08:48:35] PM to Aiden_Corleone(0): this is not how you roleplay 

[08:48:52] PM from Aiden_Corleone(0): Its morning, there are only 5 players who are willing to RP

[08:49:16] PM to Aiden_Corleone(0): and? 

[08:49:17] PM from Aiden_Corleone(0): I know that this is not the actual way how we should do it

[08:49:21] PM to Aiden_Corleone(0): why even involving guns? 

[08:49:35] PM from Aiden_Corleone(0): Why not?

[08:49:42] PM to Aiden_Corleone(0): talk is over lol 

[08:49:44] You have disabled incoming private messages.

I prefer being a criminal in the right way and I call the situation above powergaming, even though some might disagree. This is far from reality.

I do understand your frustration with this and I entirely agree that this is not the way the gameplay should go.
Robberies are RP as well true, quite common but doesn't make it wrong - yet on the other hand when a player gets robbed by the same group of people constantly it's hitting the limit of ruining some one's gameplay and my own opinion simply shows lack of creativity. I don't mind getting kidnaped/robbed I mind if it happens by the same group of people and by the same old pattern just to show some IG "power". For example keep in character mafias are very classy and instead of robbing charging protection fees is far more respectfull come up with a few guys to Bogo's place and demand protection I'm sure he'd like it more - if he pays good than leave him alone you got your power show.
if he refuses - burn his place or smash some dishes and tables with bats or even leave and burn it after he closes it and /ad it.

I mean overall I hated the times I had to be constantly hunt for no damn reason but some ego that a player/group wants to show how powerful he is and that was done with out proper roleplay or just the time damn pattern all along.
you can't say " what's the problem with that" untill you experience it yourself and see how dis motivating it is to log in after contact gameplay ruining.

I know there is freedom of roleplay - but for that roleplay be creative don't just go around ruining some one's gameplay. 

real power should stay with in creativity and RP not over numbering or killing.

[Bruce.]

Just because someone rps a robbery constanty, kidnappimg or whatever, doesnt meann the rules should change, everything is one in a roleplay manner.

Yes, that's why I started the topic actually. Because there's no limit on this. Same people do the same kidnappings and robberies on daily basis and there's no rule stopping them. I think that's shit.
I'm not being sensitive, I'm trying to raise the standards of roleplay. If you feel offended by this then you're probably one of the people this topic is about.

Because of these types of few families, people check player list on the client first and then login or don't because they are scared of them  and they know if they'll login, that XXX group will kill/kidnap him.

So what that they will kidnap him? Cant he roleplay being kidnapped or something? Or people are here only to kidnapp people and not be kidnapped. Get rid of the play to win mentallity because is fucked up.

[Bogomil]

Why should they get kidnapped in first place? You need a damn solid roleplay reason to rob or kidnap.

[Shahuzaan]

Spoiler for Hiden:

Bogomil(8) looks around.

PM from [tcl]imam(3): I will be RPing as manager, I would /do the casheir

Cashier: Welcome to the restaurant! ([tcl]imam(3))

Bogomil(8) says: Hello there !

Cashier says: What do you need sir? ([tcl]imam(3))

Bogomil(8) says: Uhm, can I have the menu as a start?

Bogomil would notices the list of menu on the table. ([tcl]imam(3))

Animation applied.

Bogomil(8) opens the menu and looks inside.

what would bogomil see (Bogomil(8))

Foods: Burger, Sandwich, Pizza. ([tcl]imam(3))

Drinks: hampagne, beer, sprunk, cola. ([tcl]imam(3))

Bogomil(8) says: Ai'ght.

Bogomil(8) says: I'll have Burger, sandwich and pizza with two beers.

Cashier says: Alright, you may take a seat. ([tcl]imam(3))

Bogomil(8) is already sitting.

[tcl]imam(3) starts taking the ingredients below the table.

ADVERTISEMENT: Temple Restaurant is open! Come and get yourslef filled!{FFA500}, contact [tcl]imam(Phone: 1221)

There would be bread, vegetable, roasts, cheese. ([tcl]imam(3))

[tcl]imam(3) places the grilled bread on the plate.

Bogomil(8) looks at the pictures on the wall.

Bogomil(8) says: I've been there !

Bogomil(8) says: That's in Bone County.

[tcl]imam(3) says: You don't drink?

[tcl]imam(3) looks at the picture.

[tcl]imam(3) says: I see.

[tcl]imam(3) places the plate on the table.

Bogomil(8) says: I ordered two beers.

[tcl]imam(3) says: Oh my bad.

[tcl]imam(3) notices two individuals.

*Matt Corleonesi and Aiden Corleone come in the restaurant*

Bogomil(8) slides the plate towards him.

[tcl]imam(3) steps backward, having a surprised expression.

[tcl]imam(3) says: Ye.... yeah.

Bogomil(8) won't start eating without his beer.

[tcl]imam(3) eyes the firearms.

[tcl]imam(3) says: What both of you want to do here?

[tcl]imam(3) says: No.

Aiden_Corleone(0) says [italian accent]: I see. 

Aiden_Corleone(0) says [italian accent]: Maybe its time someone shows you.

[TCL]Matt_Corleonesi(4) looks around.

Bogomil(8) stands up.

[08:39:26] Animation canceled.

Aiden_Corleone(0) attempts to grab Imam's shirt collar.

Bogomil(8) runs away.

(to summarize - me and Imam were having a nice rp and suddenly two armed people come inside with the intention to rob)

^ This is what I'm talking about. I usually don't mind roleplaying a robbery, but hey...same people are doing same things over and over again...this getting way too much. That is the criminal mentality I was talking about. Some people need to act like criminals absolutely reckless and foolish 24/7. I can't understand this mentality. If you want to be a criminal, do it in a proper way. Aiden and Matt did the same thing a week ago, getting mad over a $100 bill in the restaurant and decided to rob everyone so we can all see how powerful they are.

Spoiler for Hiden:

[08:47:34] PM to Aiden_Corleone(0): what 

[08:47:45] PM from Aiden_Corleone(0): I told imam to open up a restaurant

[08:48:10] PM from Aiden_Corleone(0): Cause we wanted to RP something

[08:48:25] PM from Aiden_Corleone(0): And its shit when we Role Play with the walls

[08:48:33] PM from Aiden_Corleone(0): So I would either have someone to RP with..

[08:48:35] PM to Aiden_Corleone(0): this is not how you roleplay 

[08:48:52] PM from Aiden_Corleone(0): Its morning, there are only 5 players who are willing to RP

[08:49:16] PM to Aiden_Corleone(0): and? 

[08:49:17] PM from Aiden_Corleone(0): I know that this is not the actual way how we should do it

[08:49:21] PM to Aiden_Corleone(0): why even involving guns? 

[08:49:35] PM from Aiden_Corleone(0): Why not?

[08:49:42] PM to Aiden_Corleone(0): talk is over lol 

[08:49:44] You have disabled incoming private messages.

I prefer being a criminal in the right way and I call the situation above powergaming, even though some might disagree. This is far from reality.

"Powergaming" "Far From reality" "Using guns" "criminal mentality"
I think I have seen enough. But maybe don't ruin someone's role play on /p chat if you hate it. Cause due to what you said, we had to stop the RP from that point. Yesterday, we opened up the CM bistro and had the entire server in it. I was role playing my ass of for more than 1 and half an hour as a waiter. Today, I tried to do something cool and before it could start, you ruined it. Why can't we do something for a cool experience? This is just freaking insane right now.. All of a sudden I became the Role Play destroyer in Argonath.. The big bully..

[Bruce.]

People have to stop being a pain in the ass during a roleplay they do not like and learn how to deal with it. And people should get rid of the toxicity after a roleplay finishes. Main chat is made to chat not to throw shit on someones roleplay. Grow the f**k up.

[Ramo_Hawk]

lol

[Miki.]

People have to stop being a pain in the ass during a roleplay they do not like and learn how to deal with it. And people should get rid of the toxicity after a roleplay finishes. Main chat is made to chat not to throw shit on someones roleplay. Grow the f**k up.

Yeah that's the second part of the problem, people should learn to adapt into roleplay scenes that don't go their way and find a way to enjoy it.
try outroleplay or just go with the flow till the end of the scene - kidnapers should kidnap with proper reason and roleplay and kidnapped ones should avoid taking any thing personally and act in character - for that we need a simple solution, people to gain trust in each other and actually be here to RP.
getting robbed or kidnaped won't ruin your argo name and reputation yet not roleplaying will that's how it should be.

but yet I still think kidnapping and robbing shouldn't go over themselves specially with out a solid reason.

[Bogomil]

Indeed yesterday you did well.
Perhaps because you weren't the one responsible for it. There are

Spoiler for Hiden:

of ways to be creative without using guns for once. Just don't try to tell me this is the first time you're doing this. As I mentioned, I have no problem complying with this, but if I witness the same people doing this on daily basis, man, I think this is disgraceful. You're not the big bully, but if you accept criticism you can definitely improve. Don't think I'm doing this to humiliate you or anyone, I am trying to make people see what is wrong.

[Shahuzaan]

Okay, first of all.. People dont simply barge in to places with guns just because they wanted to kidnap someone or to rob him. There are much better things one could do instead of kidnaping or robbing someone. Honestly, the way I believe.. I am way far behind that league. Cause kidnaping and robbing shit is a much advanced role play than people think. It became so popular that the moment someone see a guy approaching him with a gun, the person feels like as if he is gonna get kidnapped or robbed. I had a really creative thing in my mind. Perhaps I started it out all wrong.
And yeah, there are better ways to Role Play without guns. A real mobster would eventually rob a bank without one. But everyone doesnt get that. People have different ways of understanding things. But one well known and common way is that criminals uses guns for their role plays. You also told me that I dont have to be criminal 24/7. That I agree.. but since I am in a criminal group and my character is a criminal, I believe I need to stay that way during most of the time. Ofcourse, we do take breaks and do something besides criminal stuffs. We did that yesterday and it was amazing..
I'm also fine with people telling me whats the right way of doing things. But there are much better ways to do that.. otherwise.. its just hate!! hate!! hate!! spreading everywhere.

[Stivi]

Why should they get kidnapped in first place? You need a damn solid roleplay reason to rob or kidnap.

Yeah man, all the thieves hate their victim, that's a damn solid reason to rob them. I know this isn't a server-wide known rule, but if you comply with the person robbing you, then him killing you is DM.

Kidnaps, on the other hand, should happen for a reason, and it's usually torture and death, not exactly holding someone hostage. And yeah, you can report a player if you think they have no reason to go after you. But here's the catch, people will look for whatever petty reason to kill you, so gotta comply and wait for the report to be handled. Even if you RP someone else, know when to do so, you can't RP someone else if you've seen the guy and it's the same RP scenario, or maybe you can, I don't know, I've always straight up killed those who have no intention to RP. I mean, if not here to RP, then to DM, in which case, I'll DM first