Something is wrong, how are we going to respond to this?

[Khm]

the environment is too general to say
when was the last time you saw qualified new player joining argonath?

The last time I made a solid 1 hour IG playing which was 3-4 weeks ago.

[Thomas_A]

Get ingame, do your thing, problem solved 

[Skecis]

SA:MP players count has been dropped from 90k to 30k by April 2018, according to some statistics site. It's obvious that samp doesn't please the gamers as It used to be 1-2 years ago. Let's not put all the blame on the community and Its staffs.

It was around 30k at Christmas time. Around 90k like 2y ago. now its - less than 20k

[Younes]

Get ingame, do your thing, problem solved 

You first need to think "Why would I join, what do I expect?" and then you join. You don't just join because "it's argonath". We need to step this up and look for solutions. This isn't normal, Argonath doesn't just simply stand up after some time. Something has to be done. Staying back and saying it will be solved with time won't work.

I don't direct my message to anyone saying that something has to be done by him.. rather than to all of us. But honestly you can't do it alone, you can't go in game and roleplay with your own self.. you need someone else.. and to get that someone else, you need to bring some goals and reasons to join the game, otherwise no one would ever join and it'd rather have zero players.

[youoo]

The problem started when the CURRENT HQ forget the main reason why Gandalf himself open this community which is, His opinion being neglected by others and He want someone to hear his voice but No-one pays attention to him. This what the CURRENT HQ doing right now, They kept themselves in a close circle away from players and FORGET their main job which HELP THE PLAYERS to find the community suitable for them, I know they started to change but when. When the train had passed them.


I had the will to help the new players and I am not seeking any ingame rank because It's useless as it seems it changes some personality and Rises their Ego to the sky.


I personally found nothing to login for except to pay my taxes.

[Zlatan]

I made a similar thread regarding the player base lately and it got locked (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=124526.0).
If you try talking about it and sorting it out, they will just lock your thread and make it seem as if nothing is wrong with Argonath ...

I really miss the old Argonath days. Yeah we were lacking some scripts but here's how it went:

2008-2014 = playerbase +++++    scripts +----
2014-2016 = playerbase ++-----    scripts +++--

2018 = players non existent...

[TedHamilton]

The change is within the HQ first, then we the players next. As I said before, what needs to be done (at least trying):

1. If there is at least one part of RS3 or early RS4 that is still available, bring it back. I know that some of the staff said that it had security loopholes and stuff. Bring the old, simple scripts back and improve the security. There was no problem in the scripts itself or their concepts.

2. Advertise where appropriate. It does not mainly involve paid advertising in global gaming communities, but it can involve calling the old database of players. OUR PLAYERS. However, calling the old players requires a generous offer. They're not looking for millions, but they deserve at least to get back what they lost.

There is one other thing to talk about, old scripts were simple. That's the difference. Why on earth do you have to type /cash near an ATM, then go down to Access ATM, then choose withdraw/deposit, and then type the amount, and then what? Get charged for that operation. It improves RP yes, it is realistic yes, but I hardly doubt it that you will be able to convince an old player that it's better than simply standing face to the ATM and typing /withdraw 5000.

There are a lot of points that need to be discussed. Locking topics won't solve the problem, trust me. Nobody's provoking anyone else. I myself appreciate all contributions in scripts by scripters like CBFasi and many others, but critics need to be accepted at least.

You want to know what to do? What to change? Ask the RS2 and RS3 scripters what made the community great and numerous. Just ask them, you don't have to bring them back. Ask xcasio, Sharphis, Crimson, Jcstodds, and you will see.

[Paco]

I've been lurking for a good time now, and watching from the sidelines. Honestly, lock down the server. Revise all the problems that creates unfairness and supports non-RP. Why was it good before, why is it bad now. What y'all need is real fresh start, from scratch. Remove everything and everyone.

As everyone says; it's cancer. Cancer breeds and will continue to breed as long as the vessel lives. Set that bitch on fire, create a new fresh vessel. Y'all to fuckin afraid to pull some real triggers. Afraid of it will die if you pull the triggers? Dont worry mate, it is already dying. You wont lose a dime anyways.

[Ehks]

I've been lurking for a good time now, and watching from the sidelines. Honestly, lock down the server. Revise all the problems that creates unfairness and supports non-RP. Why was it good before, why is it bad now. What y'all need is real fresh start, from scratch. Remove everything and everyone.

As everyone says; it's cancer. Cancer breeds and will continue to breed as long as the vessel lives. Set that bitch on fire, create a new fresh vessel. Y'all to fuckin afraid to pull some real triggers. Afraid of it will die if you pull the triggers? Dont worry mate, it is already dying. You wont lose a dime anyways.

I second that.

[Pete]

I've been lurking for a good time now, and watching from the sidelines. Honestly, lock down the server. Revise all the problems that creates unfairness and supports non-RP. Why was it good before, why is it bad now. What y'all need is real fresh start, from scratch. Remove everything and everyone.

As everyone says; it's cancer. Cancer breeds and will continue to breed as long as the vessel lives. Set that bitch on fire, create a new fresh vessel. Y'all to fuckin afraid to pull some real triggers. Afraid of it will die if you pull the triggers? Dont worry mate, it is already dying. You wont lose a dime anyways.

From the ashes we will rise...but it will take time and Argonath has to come with something very unique.
Also, I went IG few times these past few days, with 1-2 players, what did I do? Drove around aimlessly and /q ...sorry but I am not mentally ill to RP alone....and I won't bother go around searching for the 1 person in the server so have a RP with him...

[Norrage]

How about all players who are constantly saying ‘this should change’ and ‘I can just roleplay with 2 players’ meet up ingame for a specific amount of time and enjoy playing with those and ignore the ‘useless’ players? This creates a stable playerbase to have fun with, which triggers you to go ingame and triggers the ‘useless’ to adjust their mentality?

New players will notice a stable playerbase (so far I see about +- 30 people still caring for the server) and hopefully will stick around for longer.

Oh and for HQ, I am unknown with HQ but maybe implement some roleplay standards / rules?

Change starts at everyone, including the individual you.

[James Conway]

To be honest, every server has a dip atm. I'd say wait for the holidays to be real conclusive

[Matt Murdock]

I've been lurking for a good time now, and watching from the sidelines. Honestly, lock down the server. Revise all the problems that creates unfairness and supports non-RP. Why was it good before, why is it bad now. What y'all need is real fresh start, from scratch. Remove everything and everyone.

As everyone says;it's cancer. Cancer breeds and will continue to breed as long as the vessel lives. Set that bitch on fire, create a new fresh vessel. Y'all to fuckin afraid to pull some real triggers. Afraid of it will die if you pull the triggers? Dont worry mate, it is already dying. You wont lose a dime anyways.

Well, 90% of playerbase moved to server X where they had nothing and are building from scratch and having fun. So that doubt is out of the way.

Problem is, who will push the reset button? Owners ain't nowhere to be seen unlike other communities. And its the management people have problems with. People have spoken, it's just that. So many see it as "boycott" but no, its the community standing up against the wrongs that have been happening lately.

Funny thing, we can't even say what's wrong with the community without risk being muted or even community banned. The current leadership is not ready to accept they don't have a problem but they are the problem. And if they are not even looking to know the problem, how will anyone solve it? Well, its no more any of my business.

You want to sort the issues? Either hit the reset button or give everyone free grounds to speak. A single topic, to let it all out, without "e-dick powers" that I am manager/board mod and will ban you from forums or that I am a manager/mod and I cannot speak my mind because I hold a respectable position. Equal grounds, Equal voice.

There's a formula you should follow to lead a life without stress, sort out all your conflicts/problems before heading to bed, so next day is a fresh start. This community just isn't ready to do that. (though many did, by just turning argo off and moving to other communities)

[JackDockz]

+1 to matt

[TedHamilton]

What Matt said.