Clearing up the RS4 situation

[Andeey]

We have had so much back and forth but we are still stuck where we were.

Maybe another option we have - move to rs 6 but at least keep the rs 4 rules?  Simple light rp?  How did ic/ooc (and heavens know what other complex rules) become a part of argo i do not know but it should not be enforced please.

We banked on being a friendly helpful community. Please lets keep it that way. Complex rules,  scripts and systems will NOT help with the vision we had. Bad attitudes will also not help. If there are such people, kick their butts off the server. If this is the majority, please, still continue - u will get new players who are way better than the majority players with bad attitudes u kicked out.

IC/OOC isn't forced on anybody, it was purely added as an experimental method as people wanted it.

[Cofiliano]

So what exactly is the problem with RS6, why going backwards?

RS4 nostalgia without the database and support? Hell no, people left after RS5 exactly because of that lol.

[Stivi]

all you who comment "nostalgia shit", "rs6 is better" "if you bring rs4 ill not join the server anymore" I am sorry but where have you been past years? why you never joined the server? why you stopped playing when rs5 came? why are you comenting now lol? Why you arent online right now?

They're busy defending the hq to get some ranks. Asslickers bro 

Yes bro, because I will certainly get to have a rank with my 0hrs / week. Actually I'm already in the talks with HQ for a private island in the middle of Glen Park, I will make it a prison, I already have developer support because I support RS6 anyway. But I'll wrap it up, you're on to us!

Seriously, just stop...

We have had so much back and forth but we are still stuck where we were.

Maybe another option we have - move to rs 6 but at least keep the rs 4 rules?  Simple light rp?  How did ic/ooc (and heavens know what other complex rules) become a part of argo i do not know but it should not be enforced please.

We banked on being a friendly helpful community. Please lets keep it that way. Complex rules,  scripts and systems will NOT help with the vision we had. Bad attitudes will also not help. If there are such people, kick their butts off the server. If this is the majority, please, still continue - u will get new players who are way better than the majority players with bad attitudes u kicked out.

We are certainly not a friendly helpful community. We may pretend so we don't get punished, perhaps.

Anyway, the complex rules, such as "This is RP and this is not RP" are there because eventually someone abused it. Take "/pm is RP if you make it RP" rule. Certain people ask you in pm if you're selling/buying drugs, you reply, make a drug deal, get rich. Oh you PMed the FBI? Doesn't matter, they can't do anything about it because it's PM and it doesn't classify as RP in court, for good reason too, people don't private message each other like that. There's /sms you know...

People also wanted blips removed, /area removed, certain metagaming elements are still there, a huge chunk of Argonath is still there, common sense isn't sadly.

A developer said "what's a complex script" and I don't see anyone telling him this and that. I wish you all remembered how it was back when we had pickpocket, wallets, cards, atm limits, 8 commands to buy a card, 12 for a wallet and 18 steps to put a card in a wallet. We spoke against it, it got changed.

[Kowalski.]

I think all we need is transparency from HQ on as much as possible, ideas from the players being taken into consideration and implemented on trial and error bases, and an enjoyable atmosphere.

We need to put our server's atmosphere first, without a good atmosphere and nothing but salt from players, SA:MP will be a toxic chamber nobody wants to join.

[Cutt3r]

IC/OOC isn't forced on anybody, it was purely added as an experimental method as people wanted it.

Exactly sir.  Why? Hq could definitely listen to people but based on the vision (not telling u how to run the show).

@Stivi yes, u r right. If someone abuses it, things get complex. I can only say though that we keep it simple and use the rod when some spoilt person tries to mess things up.

[JackDockz]

Rs4 will bring in 2 weeks of activity maybe 1 month at the max. After that it will go empty.
Restoring rs4 stats is not worth it since it will be a big fku to people who stayed and invested time post rs5.

Ray is pretty solid as of now and is stable and has quality scripts.

Plus the bs about "script complexity", anyone with a brain can accustom to these scripts. They are pretty simple and /help is sorted out good enough incase you need help. Invest time and you will learn the commands

[Lazar.]

if rs4 will bring 1 month activity, how much will rs6 ?🤣
Stop being idiots and let Argonath grow up again.

[Andeey]

if rs4 will bring 1 month activity, how much will rs6 ?🤣
Stop being idiots and let Argonath grow up again.

You've done nothing but call us idiots and keep saying the same thing over and over, Instead of jumping the gun like amateurs and opening RS4 back up how about we get to the core reasons why people dislike Argonath?(SAMP) for example the complexity of the server.. We can easily push changes to make it more simple and enjoyable if that's what people want.

As for running RS4 right away.. We cannot do so as the server is unstable and needs some work from the developers so please give them some time and we might just be able to run the server for a nostalgic feeling for a little while. 

[Andeey]

IC/OOC isn't forced on anybody, it was purely added as an experimental method as people wanted it.

Exactly sir.  Why? Hq could definitely listen to people but based on the vision (not telling u how to run the show).

@Stivi yes, u r right. If someone abuses it, things get complex. I can only say though that we keep it simple and use the rod when some spoilt person tries to mess things up.

Oh please.. The vision is severely outdated if we wanted the server to die out years ago we would've stuck to every word of the vision.

[Lazar.]

if rs4 will bring 1 month activity, how much will rs6 ?🤣
Stop being idiots and let Argonath grow up again.

You've done nothing but call us idiots and keep saying the same thing over and over, Instead of jumping the gun like amateurs and opening RS4 back up how about we get to the core reasons why people dislike Argonath?(SAMP) for example the complexity of the server.. We can easily push changes to make it more simple and enjoyable if that's what people want.

As for running RS4 right away.. We cannot do so as the server is unstable and needs some work from the developers so please give them some time and we might just be able to run the server for a nostalgic feeling for a little while. 

I didnt call you an idiot Andeey, i called idiots those who dont want Argonath to grow again. But if you feel in the middle of players who dont want argonath to grow, then its for you too.

[youoo]

if rs4 will bring 1 month activity, how much will rs6 ?🤣
Stop being idiots and let Argonath grow up again.

Excuse me what do you know about RS4 lol? I bet you were playing on RS4.

You kept saying RS4 will bring up the activity, This is the most retarded statement I read. what makes RS4 popular was the community atmosphere which was peaceful, Unlike now everyone felt persecuted and Of course the tense atmosphere which took over the community. Players don't trust the HQ or The staff team. What do you expect will be the out come of this misrey. This is the reason of this downfall.

[Lazar.]

if rs4 will bring 1 month activity, how much will rs6 ?🤣
Stop being idiots and let Argonath grow up again.

Excuse me what do you know about RS4 lol? I bet you were playing on RS4.

You kept saying RS4 will bring up the activity, This is the most retarded statement I read. what makes RS4 popular was the community atmosphere which was peaceful, Unlike now everyone felt persecuted and Of course the tense atmosphere which took over the community. Players don't trust the HQ or The staff team. What do you expect will be the out come of this misrey. This is the reason of this downfall.

Bro , what if we give a try with rs4? will we lose something?
Even if its retarded statement for you , it might be worthy trust me

[Younes]

You've done nothing but call us idiots and keep saying the same thing over and over, Instead of jumping the gun like amateurs and opening RS4 back up how about we get to the core reasons why people dislike Argonath?(SAMP) for example the complexity of the server.. We can easily push changes to make it more simple and enjoyable if that's what people want.

As for running RS4 right away.. We cannot do so as the server is unstable and needs some work from the developers so please give them some time and we might just be able to run the server for a nostalgic feeling for a little while. 

I personally do not think RS4 would change anything for Argonath. The only reason why I myself am supporting the idea is because I believe the players would love to have a chance to try the feeling again of what they used to name great times. I would love to take part of that journey myself even though I've never played RS4 or even been around when it was there.
But let me tell you the reasons why I think Argonath died and the players no longer enjoy it.
Bias in Argonath is a huge issue. This does not need no explanation, everyone know what a biased staff (including the HQ) can be. It is true, everyone is biased in the eyes of those that happened to have an action against them because it's human nature; but the kind of bias I'm talking about is not the player's fault nor the staff.
It's on the HQ, the rules are not clear, everything is messed up. Andeey has his own point of view on some rules, Manoni would probably have a whole different opinion, and it even gets worse when going down the ranks. Is this a big issue? If unsolved, yes it's the main reason why people left. Can it be solved? Hell yes, it does not need nobody to fight for it, it just needs HQ to point out simple rules like any other server that is still alive or fighting to be. HQ's fault was to not clarify the rules for the players mainly and even the administrators. The rules are so complex that noone even knows the real meaning of it or purpose and it's just what we think we know, until you run up to an admin that would tell you otherwise, and then run into another that would just confuse you.
What I'd rather suggest is to take the whole list of rules and not just edit it, write a complete different one that is understandable even by the dumbest. Make  the rules clear to everyone, and have the balls to punish those who do not play fair and enforce people to start using common sense. We all know that some groups in Argonath history were protected simply because they had a very huge impact on the activity of the server, but that led the rest to leave. Stop leaning to one side and stand straight, enforce the rules on everyone because nobody is above them. Treat everyone the same, and get everyone to stop hating each other simply by not giving them the chance to. It is right that nobody is around to even hate on, but make a move, apologize for the players, start a new beginning where you'd promise to serve everyone right and stand up for your words.
And stop wasting people's time with promises that you wouldn't fulfil. If you won't do something, simply say you won't. Your promises for the past two years were nothing but words, nothing came true, it took us more than two years to get a storage system. Is that progress? No. It is not. Progress is when you do something in the time, not when people already left because you don't listen to them. Start pushing what's important and leave the sidescripts that nobody needs aside.

[youoo]

Bro , what if we give a try with rs4? will we lose something?
Even if its retarded statement for you , it might be worthy trust me

Trust you for what? Do you want a database restart again? Do you want to start from 10k again? Do you want to play on un-supported gamemode?

Players left when they reset the players data on RS5, It will work for a week or two not more than this and everyone will go inactive again and they will start more topics about the activity of the server, I saw around 80 players vote on the Poll started by chase, Players are willing to play back but they want to see their needs applied to game, They want to feel that HQ are working to satisfy their needs.

[Kostas]

Bro , what if we give a try with rs4? will we lose something?
Even if its retarded statement for you , it might be worthy trust me

The scripters will lose lots of valuable time to set it up... Also ... have you even played in rs4? Were you here? Stop shitting at everyone dude..