08-07-2019 Increase payouts

[James Conway]

Joey suggested to increase mission payouts from 750 to 1500 and increase harvest from 20 to 50 cannabis to decrease grinding. It happened.

[Surena]

"decrease grinding."

Nice update! 

[Joey]

We hope this gives a positive impact on the server and to see more activity from players now. Good Luck!

[badboy.dhia]

"decrease grinding."

fireman/medic mission already pays good i dont see any reason why u increase their payment.
instead of this
how about u find a solution for the DEAD JOBS ??
newspaper delivery : write and create a new job system and make the payment very low
thats how a fresh new job is born DEAD.
the new shitty fishing system that appear in T4 clearly KILLED fishing job . we used to fight for boats(reefer) , we used to use the squalo and the jetmax boats for fishing
now none use them ! clearly this new fishing system fucked up everything and the results are the best proof is that no one fish anymore expect new papers for /tutorial.
trucking/fishing/newspaper delivery/hooker/taxi
all this 5 jobs are TOTALY DEAD and no one even work them
why? cuz the LOW PAYMENT
no one is gonna drive a slow truck from downtown to alderny/ bohan to earn 150$ or 70$
no one is gonna spend 5min+ driving a bike and delivering newspapers to end up with 120$ (loool) lets be honest ! isnt that STUPID ?
Jay already suggested an idea for "mission for taxi" and npcs
the whole server support it , MikuV4x gave and posted the scripts
why it's not implemented yet ? no answers.
also a quick question to end up with

Joey suggested to increase mission payouts

i guess u should say Joey Decided* to increase
no? if it is a suggestion why not posting it on suggestion/idea topic and we disscuss it and see is players want it or no
peace!
edit: i would like to mention that some mission has very low progress like (100) and we already discuss it about it on topic
and i still cant understand WHO"s gonna hurt when this mission get increase from 100 to 500 or 300
so everyone get his total payment without fighting for progress.

[Mac Taylor]

"decrease grinding."

fireman/medic mission already pays good i dont see any reason why u increase their payment.
instead of this
how about u find a solution for the DEAD JOBS ??
newspaper delivery : write and create a new job system and make the payment very low
thats how a fresh new job is born DEAD.
the new shitty fishing system that appear in T4 clearly KILLED fishing job . we used to fight for boats(reefer) , we used to use the squalo and the jetmax boats for fishing
now none use them ! clearly this new fishing system fucked up everything and the results are the best proof is that no one fish anymore expect new papers for /tutorial.
trucking/fishing/newspaper delivery/hooker/taxi
all this 5 jobs are TOTALY DEAD and no one even work them
why? cuz the LOW PAYMENT
no one is gonna drive a slow truck from downtown to alderny/ bohan to earn 150$ or 70$
no one is gonna spend 5min+ driving a bike and delivering newspapers to end up with 120$ (loool) lets be honest ! isnt that STUPID ?
Jay already suggested an idea for "mission for taxi" and npcs
the whole server support it , MikuV4x gave and posted the scripts
why it's not implemented yet ? no answers.
also a quick question to end up with

Joey suggested to increase mission payouts

i guess u should say Joey Decided* to increase
no? if it is a suggestion why not posting it on suggestion/idea topic and we disscuss it and see is players want it or no
peace!
edit: i would like to mention that some mission has very low progress like (100) and we already discuss it about it on topic
and i still cant understand WHO"s gonna hurt when this mission get increase from 100 to 500 or 300
so everyone get his total payment without fighting for progress.

You are more than welcome to bumb or suggest your ideas about those jobs, I believe that James is up to listen to them, you should also take in consideration that some suggestions are now pended as it requires writing some scripts for it. (As James said before, current server is on C++ and it needs to be translated to LUA, James is working on that according to his last post.)

And by the way, Joey suggested, HQ voted, HQ implemented it. Easy 

[jNewtonik]

I could agree that they should start boosting the earnings of the inactive job's, I'm not sure if I like the new boost in weed grow rate
but time will show if it's balanced enough to keep the 'player to player' market active.

Joey suggested to increase mission payouts

i guess u should say Joey Decided* to increase
no? if it is a suggestion why not posting it on suggestion/idea topic and we disscuss it and see is players want it or no
peace!

Also I don't see why they should suggest something that has been suggested already in the past a lot of times, boosting the earnings was a good move
and would be even better by adjusting the other inactive works too, so we could have a nice variety to select from.

[Kowalski.]

Server development is at a partial standstill due to Armelin's resignation, meaning we'll have to wait for James Conway to re-script the server in Lua.

I'm glad to see that this idea is being done on a trial and error basis. So @badboy.dhia before laughing, at least give the idea a shot and see how well it works. If it doesn't, it's reverted. Simple.

Joey obviously suggested it to HQ, and then the majority (or all) of HQ agreed prior to its actual implementation. 

We just have to try it and see how well it works.

[MHAQ25]

We hope this gives a positive impact on the server and to see more activity from players now. Good Luck!

Sure thing man, We will see 100players on server soon!!

[superh2o]

Nice, at least more new players will stay as they dont need a month to grind out a vehicle.

More weed farmers more job for LCPD more court cases.

[James Conway]

"decrease grinding."

Let me rephrase, you don't have to grind so much to get that car or property you wanted. 

Your sarcasm has been noted 

how about u find a solution for the DEAD JOBS ??

Excellent question and I'll have an answer for that. It fits with your next line.

newspaper delivery : write and create a new job system and make the payment very low
thats how a fresh new job is born DEAD.

I appreciate your attentiveness towards the other jobs and you are right. Other jobs have been neglected, but not forgotten. This was a patch to adjust the economy somewhat. It was not made to fix the jobs. I'm only willing to do small adjustments to the current C++ server since it's deprecated. Every minute I spend on the C++ server is a minute I'm not spending on the Lua rewrite. That's why I don't have time to rewrite jobs for the current C++ version, but I am very interested to remake the jobs in the rewrite. So I'm very interested in your ideas and suggestions for this; I'm always open for a chat on discord Jimmy Conway#5601.

the new shitty fishing system that appear in T4 clearly KILLED fishing job . we used to fight for boats(reefer) , we used to use the squalo and the jetmax boats for fishing
now none use them ! clearly this new fishing system fucked up everything and the results are the best proof is that no one fish anymore expect new papers for /tutorial.

Let's fix this in the rewrite then!

trucking/fishing/newspaper delivery/hooker/taxi
all this 5 jobs are TOTALY DEAD and no one even work them
why? cuz the LOW PAYMENT
no one is gonna drive a slow truck from downtown to alderny/ bohan to earn 150$ or 70$
no one is gonna spend 5min+ driving a bike and delivering newspapers to end up with 120$ (loool) lets be honest ! isnt that STUPID ?

Yes it is stupid!!!! 

Jay already suggested an idea for "mission for taxi" and npcs
the whole server support it , MikuV4x gave and posted the scripts
why it's not implemented yet ? no answers.

This might have been when I was not in charge of development, I am now and you'll get answer! Let's implement it! In due time though, I can't work on everything unfortunately.  Bump the topic again in ideas and suggestions if it's there. I don't have an overview of everything. Maybe one topic with good ideas and suggestion organised? I'll sticky it. This counts for everyone who has had a good idea and never gotten any answer. Mention me on the forum or on Discord. If you haven't gotten an answer yet, don't give up and inform me again.

also a quick question to end up with

Joey suggested to increase mission payouts

i guess u should say Joey Decided* to increase
no? if it is a suggestion why not posting it on suggestion/idea topic and we disscuss it and see is players want it or no
peace!

No no, he suggested it, I decided it. He can't write or change the c++ code right. If there's enough support, I'll revert the increased payouts. Ideas and suggestions that are too big atm won't be take into consideration for C++ server as I only want to do small changes there. However I gladly want to include them in the Lua rewrite!

edit: i would like to mention that some mission has very low progress like (100) and we already discuss it about it on topic
and i still cant understand WHO"s gonna hurt when this mission get increase from 100 to 500 or 300
so everyone get his total payment without fighting for progress.

Sure, we can do that.

[Cyclone]

something that SAMP didnt do in a long time. increase drug prices p/g so people stop growing like a lifeless person and increase other jobs' income such as fire missions, ems missions, mechanic etc.

[Surena]

Drug prices have actually decreased to 2$ per gram from 5$, not increased sir.

[Commander_Cj]

1 more thing we do truly need in the next lua rewrite is the implementation of Mods. Why? Payments for most jobs have increased/will get increased soon. So should the content. If we don't have enough content to make players enjoy, simply players would get bored so easily when they almost own everything they wanted in the game. We should keep content flowing regularly.. at least every month we need an update!

This game is almost 11 years old, it needs content, and advertisement.

To do this, there is 2 ways;

1) Use the stuff that it is already in the game; such as vehicles/weapons/features/cosmetics from TLAD (The Lost and Damned) DLC. I don't know if you guys have already did that, but there is so much stuff there and EVERYONE have in their game files! This content would be great to add, meanwhile we can work on Mods! Also TLAD should've been in the server since the launch of T4.

2) Mods, how great are mods. One of the things that keeps games alive, a very popular medicine to help revive old games! Well yeah, this might be hard to implement, or extremely hard.. I don't know, but we certainly need it.

If you guys know old childhood games like "C&C Generals: Zero hour","Counter-Strike 1.6", and of course Vice City and San Andreas, well guess what. People in my not-so-perfect country still download Mods for them and even sell them on CDs! They aren't dead because everyone can run them and mods just make them "perfect."

Even sites like Moddb, without mods they simply wouldn't exist. Because they supply people with them mods.

I can already imagine how playing on a Modded-Roleplay-GTAIV server would be, it would be absolutely fantastic to use some mods and add some lamborghinis and stuff every month or so, or even weapon skins and stuff!

We would stick to roleplay absolutely! But I am 100% sure that all of us during somekind of a massive roleplay really wished if there was like for example; a radio for cops to see in their hands and use, or an armored vehicle for criminals, or a custom vehicle, a water gun, or a camera man! How amazing would it to see a camera in game for journalists. Mods are amazing, especially if combined with roleplay.

I like how mods can make dreams come true. I always like to ask paprika if we could ever host a rocket league tournament, but he always said that we can't, because we would need a ball prop to add only. And that is achievable by mods, like yes it can be done.


The only negative side, that they would consume server ram and if not tested wisely might prove unstable and cause crashes, but we do have a test server to test such stuff, don't we? Look at how much stuff we could achieve just for a really small cost!


Please note that everything I talked about might not be exactly possible because oh god it takes alotta of scripts or even a new client, just wanted to remind you guys and give you ideas.

[Joey]

Good suggestion and no one would be happier than me if mods are added to the server, but not everyone has a high-end pc to support mods. GTA IV is poorly optimized and thus mods require a lot of strong hardware power, if not provided then the mods may never load for those and some ppl will see them and others will not.

[James Conway]

1) Use the stuff that it is already in the game; such as vehicles/weapons/features/cosmetics from TLAD (The Lost and Damned) DLC. I don't know if you guys have already did that, but there is so much stuff there and EVERYONE have in their game files! This content would be great to add, meanwhile we can work on Mods! Also TLAD should've been in the server since the launch of T4.

That's not up to me though, Some TLAD content is available.

As for mods, I think only player and vehicle data can be enforced. We can do a lot with objects, maybe it's time for mappers in IV  .