Knock knock

[Stivi]

You can't make something right if you don't understand it's wrong.

[Loupidd]

knock knock this is motherfucking loupid in the house

[Stefos]

You can't make something right if you don't understand it's wrong.

Agreed. 

[Cyd Parker]

Thank you for the opportunity for a civilized talk.

I think there is a root problem that I feel leadership is failing to address. We don't have active ownership on the server. Our leadership feels like a black box that never responds to anything. Players get frustrated because they feel they aren't heard and therefore there is no motivation to login because nothing seems to change. We're essentially in a Sisyphean torment.

This is a good first step but I fear is too late.

+1 , this is so true.
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And, I am not attacking anyone here but, I've noticed a sense of attitude and ego in majority people when they are selected as staff members. Staff is expected to be more interactive with people. But, people here feel ignored sometimes., New players and players who wish  to initiate something new have a weak connection with the staff itself. Players should be the number one priority. Think of those days when admins used to play normally as well. I miss kidnapping Janar (cause he rolrolayed it well while he was busy with admin duty). I hope you got my point. Staff wants more activity by not playing themselves. You guys need to play actively as well.

[Bogomil]

You are the problem m8. Resign and the playerbase will increase.
EDIT: I'm not attacking you, I'm being constructively honest.

[Endri]

And, I am not attacking anyone here but, I've noticed a sense of attitude and ego in majority people when they are selected as staff members. Staff is expected to be more interactive with people. But, people here feel ignored sometimes., New players and players who wish  to initiate something new have a weak connection with the staff itself. Players should be the number one priority. Think of those days when admins used to play normally as well. I miss kidnapping Janar (cause he rolrolayed it well while he was busy with admin duty). I hope you got my point. Staff wants more activity by not playing themselves. You guys need to play actively as well.

Indeed there are some cases that Staff team may be busy, which can't roleplay at all, but about the fact that current staff members ain't that friendly I don't agree with you. In the current staff team, everyone seems more friendly than the past staff we had in 2015-2018 (except Alfred Corleone he was a chill guy). Also the change would start by yoursleves not everyone else, why you don't be the first to  encourage to invite your friends to join the server and have some fun, also about the activity of staff team it's good, what it's the problem because everyone has it's own life which some maybe be busy irl that ain't able to be stay active everyday. Anyway my point is that we should start pointing fingers from ourselves that we should be the one to change things around here and to have fun like we used to do.

[Jeremy.]

I honestly dont play anymore due to toxic people reaching HQ staff rank over night after all the shit they’ve done which is unacceptable. I wont give names, I guess its pretty obvious.

[Khm]

And, I am not attacking anyone here but, I've noticed a sense of attitude and ego in majority people when they are selected as staff members. Staff is expected to be more interactive with people. But, people here feel ignored sometimes., New players and players who wish  to initiate something new have a weak connection with the staff itself. Players should be the number one priority. Think of those days when admins used to play normally as well. I miss kidnapping Janar (cause he rolrolayed it well while he was busy with admin duty). I hope you got my point. Staff wants more activity by not playing themselves. You guys need to play actively as well.

This is why people should make some time to report staff in case such cases occur even if it was a weird attitude display, unfortunately staff reports are extremely rare. We can't improve anything if we aren't aware of people's problems and issues.

I honestly dont play anymore due to toxic people reaching HQ staff rank over night after all the shit they’ve done which is unacceptable. I wont give names, I guess its pretty obvious.

You don't join since years ago unless there's a meetup so that's irrelevant.

[Stivi]

I honestly dont play anymore due to toxic people reaching HQ staff rank over night after all the shit they’ve done which is unacceptable. I wont give names, I guess its pretty obvious.

You don't join since years ago unless there's a meetup so that's irrelevant.

But still true. If you won't let us name them, you won't let us "attack them" or whatever. How do you expect me to play the game if you're preaching peace or whatever it is you want to achieve with this topic and on the other side you still want to keep every name as "you know who". I have absolutely no clue who most of these "you know who"s are, I wasn't part of the scenarios either, and as a player of SA:MP I can probably put at least two names in that blank. The fact that not even can I (never had any administrative task whatsoever) correctly guess the person, I can also say "in the off times that it's not person1, it's probably person2" should be very concerning.

This is why people should make some time to report staff in case such cases occur even if it was a weird attitude display, unfortunately staff reports are extremely rare. We can't improve anything if we aren't aware of people's problems and issues.

What do you call tens of unanswered reports(me, one person)? Extremely rare? I kinda wanna see the stats to believe that.

I feel like even letting an admin know of someone rulebreaking should be considered a report by common sense? If you don't want to do your job, you can play "UC". If you can't meet the hours, then why apply in the first place? Step off, thank you, enjoy your gameplay.

[jovanca]

the server was destroyed by incompetent leadership over the last two years. the people who still play are the ones no one really wants to play with. they be gone, server back on feet in no time

[Khm]

I honestly dont play anymore due to toxic people reaching HQ staff rank over night after all the shit they’ve done which is unacceptable. I wont give names, I guess its pretty obvious.

You don't join since years ago unless there's a meetup so that's irrelevant.

But still true. If you won't let us name them, you won't let us "attack them" or whatever. How do you expect me to play the game if you're preaching peace or whatever it is you want to achieve with this topic and on the other side you still want to keep every name as "you know who". I have absolutely no clue who most of these "you know who"s are, I wasn't part of the scenarios either, and as a player of SA:MP I can probably put at least two names in that blank. The fact that not even can I (never had any administrative task whatsoever) correctly guess the person, I can also say "in the off times that it's not person1, it's probably person2" should be very concerning.

This is why people should make some time to report staff in case such cases occur even if it was a weird attitude display, unfortunately staff reports are extremely rare. We can't improve anything if we aren't aware of people's problems and issues.

What do you call tens of unanswered reports(me, one person)? Extremely rare? I kinda wanna see the stats to believe that.

I feel like even letting an admin know of someone rulebreaking should be considered a report by common sense? If you don't want to do your job, you can play "UC". If you can't meet the hours, then why apply in the first place? Step off, thank you, enjoy your gameplay.

Not sure sarcasm or not but he's talking about me as I'm the one who recently became a manager again.

Last year you had only 2 reports, 1st one was during the HQ before Bas' HQ so I don't know what happened with it. The 2nd one, reported player was banned.

And yes but a dm on discord could be forgotten or even and IG /pm could be not noticed as we have so much spam on our side aswell that's why official methods such as /report and forum reports are better.

[TheGreasyChopper]

Just cut it with the "report on forum" bullshit. Whenever a case is reported on forums or emails it takes time for the information to be processed analyzed and action taken. Half the time the resolution or even the existence of said reports is kept from the public. The staff team has more than enough active(or potentiality active) members to allow handling of cases via In Game reports or a Discord conversation. Hell, the staff team is more tha n 50% of the active playerbase, you can't tell me they dont have the time or manpower to handle it in a timely manner. Reporting on forums gives the rulebreaking regular or staff player enough time to sweep shit under the rug. Another thing is that these reports are usually handled by people on close terms with the party being reported, which leads to intended delays and ignoring of evidence. When you see a video or sufficient logs and screenshot of a person rulebreaking - punish him. If he believes he didnt do anything wrong let him dispute it with HQ. But show the reporting party you are actually doing your job.

[Bogomil]

the server was destroyed by incompetent leadership over the last two years. the people who still play are the ones no one really wants to play with. they be gone, server back on feet in no time

Fully agree with Jov this time. How hard is to understand that all fingers point to you. I'll give few examples of what good leader/manager is:
1. Active and caring for the atmosphere in game and on the forums.
2. Very capable of solving situations that require immediate attention.
3. Not involved in any kind of corruption, ever. If someone is called biased or corrupted, then no matter what period of time has passed, people will remember him as biased and will cause conflicts.
4. Transparent and ready to answer any question that people might have regarding a decision he made.
5. Smart and creative. In order to move forward, we need someone ready to push us forward.
6. Rules apply for everyone, no matter how high your rank is. If you are not a professional, then you are not ready to be an example.
You were caught in corruption and abuse of powers. Now tell me how will you build trust when it's long gone. When Hubbe became a leader I had hopes that we'll step on our feet and I still do. But for a start people involved in corruption, abuse and those who are incapable of administrating should be removed from the staff/hq.
EDIT: When you have a stone castle you appreciate it. Because if you don't, you will have to build a castle using matchsticks. The people who built the castle are long gone. Now you have to deal with what is left. With what you left.

[Sawyer]

Nice. Nice. Very fucking nice. Look at all of those funny folks completely drained in mud, by all means.

Here's one suggestion; start playing and invite your similar spoiled friends in order TO PLAY THE GAME AND NOT BULLSHIT OR POINT FINGERS. For once. Talk it out, have patience, stop judging each and every move, stop complaining constantly.

Couple of years back it was Carbon you all starting throwing shit at, no wonder he is now inactive af, then it was some other dude, then it was some other dude, then it was Bas, now the current one in charge. DROP THE 'MY WAY OR NO WAY' MENTALITY.

Let's say everyone involved in the SAMP leadership resigns. Has it crossed your majestic mind that if it's not one of your friends in charge you'll still fucking be not satisfied?

Most if not all of you complaining are actively playing on this other server and yet come here every now and then when similar topic to this one is opened in order to bullshit the ones who are in charge this time. Guess what? The ones in charge at that specific server used to be in charge or at least part of the server here. Most likely you have thrown shit in their face during their reign here as well. This other server has 90% Argonath blood all the way to its corpse.

Yes there have been mistakes, yes there has been corruption, yes there was false calls BUT YES THIS IS ARGONATH. It always has been like that whether you are old enough to realize or not.

Now for the love of God let's not make this another one of the cancerous topics that end up locked due to people being moderated but at least have the decency and honor to realize that you are not helping the server if you simply are here to point fingers and look for excuses from the rule book in order to cause further harm.

You got something to suggest? Then that's awesome. We'd be fascinated to here your proposals. But let it be for improvement, not for just another stab to Argonath's heart, it has taken plenty of these.

[STALKER41]

By the looks of it so far no one is trying to understand the other persons point of view here, no one is willing to trust anyone. You can't have a proper functioning community or server in that case when almost everyone is actively complaining about management and HQ. Just how Charles said, stop with the bullshit, stop pointing fingers constantly. You people go out of your way and are willing to go the extra mile to prove yourselves as the one who is right. I'm sorry, but that's not a foundation you can keep this division on.

If everyone stops doing the things Charles pointed out, we'd be able to see better what the real issues are.