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[Khm]

Look how pathetic you are. Talking about mudoo like you never played there, like it's something bad. Let me remind you (plural) that the server you hate so much was created by players who played here for 10 years and they got pissed, because of incompetent staff. Almost three years later,  they are way ahead of us in terms of scripts and activity, while we stay here, creating topics and complain how unfair it is that someone didn't stand the constant bullshit and created his own server.
Let's say you never resign, how can you make the server better?
You know, when you first became a manager I actually said "let's not judge him too early and give him a chance.".
Summerize what have you done in almost a year of being a manager. How did you improve the server and why you need to keep your position? And don't say that pointing fingers out is not the solution. If you want people to trust you again summerize everything you did so far and your plans for the future. Just then we can talk normally without pointing fingers out.

Just few corrections;
Yes I visited but I never played. Infact we had a nice discussion there that I still have but you don't want me to share and I will respect that.
A small history check for you that server wasn't created because of incompetent staff, it wasn't even going to be made in SA:MP but things happened.
The server hasn't made 2 full years yet since its release.
I've been a manager for barely a month now not a year.
The days for spreading fake stories is over Bogomil.

Jesus fucking Christ.

This topic is turning into a shit hole and it's leading to nothing productive. I'm not even going to respond to what these replies have been for today because SAMP needs to do one of two things.

1) Shut down and plan for the future with looking for another game.
2) Radically change SAMP through huge development and changes on relations between HQ/players.

These are the only two options. I personally favor number one because the likely hood of huge changes in SAMP is unlikely due to history. Now the question is, why do people play Mudoo?
I personally joined Mudoo because I was tired of the BS in Argonath but I came back because I didn't like certain people in Mudoo. I don't really know much about them nowadays but they are successful. Don't bitch and moan about "They stole scripts, they are cancer, blah" shit. Players typically play on servers that have players. They also have active leadership that can change things when they want to. They are like another business, why do customers shop there? Argonath RPG is like Sears/Kmart and Mudoo is Amazon. Mudoo is newer and based on older ideas but they changed them up and get more people nowadays.

I feel like focusing on Mudoo is the wrong idea though because what's the goal in that? Stealing the players back that already left? I really think SAMP needs a face lift since development has been stagnant for a while with peaks of development. Along with that, this bickering back and forth between players and HQ is just shit.

HQ should decide what option will happen and act accordingly. Lock this topic and in 72 hours provide an outline of a plan and act on it. We need action now, not just talking. 

You're absolutely correct however, you cannot find developers that would like to code in pawno these days especially for free. As for the changes, they've already started. We're currently doing a complete rewrite and review of multiple staff/hq materials that should improve the work of staff team greatly in the near and far future as well as some group rules/requirements changes that have taken place already but haven't been announced yet as we're still changing and reviewing the ideas and comments around the community either on discord or on forum. Next on the table is the server rules and overall environment of the server, the way I see it if the staff provides a good controlled environment, players would be keener on staying and revisiting and that's what we want for a start.

[Bogomil]

If you keep talking that way, nothing will happen. I asked you to summarize your progress as a total time being manager. January 2019 - May 2019 and January 2020 - February 2020 (if I remember correctly). When you take a role you are expected to know what to do. What bothers me so much is that you don't realize the responsibilities you have. You don't know what to do! The way you respond to my comments is exactly what pushes the last of the most active people away. If I start talking about reforms and other ideas I have, I'll be ignored as always, just because you don't like it. I haven't heard a single idea worth discussing.
If you don't want to leave then turn around and start doing your job in a responsible way.

[AK47]

I feel like focusing on Mudoo is the wrong idea though because what's the goal in that? Stealing the players back that already left? I really think SAMP needs a face lift since development has been stagnant for a while with peaks of development. Along with that, this bickering back and forth between players and HQ is just shit.

HQ should decide what option will happen and act accordingly. Lock this topic and in 72 hours provide an outline of a plan and act on it. We need action now, not just talking.

Finally someone seems like they have a fucking brain. SA:MP is not dead because of the years, it's dead because of the players not getting what they want and need. Look at all those older games, they all have shit loads of players. How so? They update shit daily. They don't wait every 3 months for an update just like Argo. Plus, the updates that they do are decent and make the experience way fucking better. But look what happened here, even if you did such a big development product, it wouldn't end good. Mudoo started with Argo players, and gets more and more players daily. Argonath players right now are moving to mudoo as well, no one knows it yet. It's a matter of time before people find out. And what happens when Argo HQ finds out? They talk shit to them. They made a choice, to go to mudoo. Why? Because they don't like anything here anymore.

Staff not punishing rulebreakers, staff not giving a shit, staff basically not caring. Half the staff are here to asslick and get attention, and I have already gave somewhat enough proof when I was still in the team. For not all staffs, but a few. HQ is literally so stupid to understand anything I said. It's all bullshit at this point. I reported half the staff team to HQ but what did I get? "Stop making conspiracy theories". I gave enough fucking proof of anything. Guess what happened, I got kicked, well yes. I was dumb and half my actions were shit. I also said "Staffs only go online when there's 1/100 players online or whenever Hubert is online". Yeah... and I also called them desperate for promotions for doing so. A few hours later, I got kicked.

What happened with all my reports though? NOTHING. Look at where my reported staffs are right now. Senior Admin, Admin, Moderator. like wtf. Yall don't give a fuck and I don't know why you're still trying to revive this server. If Gandalf or Carbon gave a fuck, HQ wouldn't be there, if not, then actions were to be taken. Give up already. Even though there's a few chances doing a big development change, nothing is gonna end up good. Server has been dead since '18.

tl;dr staff is stupid, give up already, server's dead. FiveM is the future

With love, Stefos.

bro are you 8 years old

[Conor_Bradford]

I reported half the staff team

Apparently 1 or 2 people are now half of the staff team, nice

[Stefos]

I reported half the staff team

Apparently 1 or 2 people are now half of the staff team, nice

lol yes you can totally count.

I feel like focusing on Mudoo is the wrong idea though because what's the goal in that? Stealing the players back that already left? I really think SAMP needs a face lift since development has been stagnant for a while with peaks of development. Along with that, this bickering back and forth between players and HQ is just shit.

HQ should decide what option will happen and act accordingly. Lock this topic and in 72 hours provide an outline of a plan and act on it. We need action now, not just talking.

Finally someone seems like they have a fucking brain. SA:MP is not dead because of the years, it's dead because of the players not getting what they want and need. Look at all those older games, they all have shit loads of players. How so? They update shit daily. They don't wait every 3 months for an update just like Argo. Plus, the updates that they do are decent and make the experience way fucking better. But look what happened here, even if you did such a big development product, it wouldn't end good. Mudoo started with Argo players, and gets more and more players daily. Argonath players right now are moving to mudoo as well, no one knows it yet. It's a matter of time before people find out. And what happens when Argo HQ finds out? They talk shit to them. They made a choice, to go to mudoo. Why? Because they don't like anything here anymore.

Staff not punishing rulebreakers, staff not giving a shit, staff basically not caring. Half the staff are here to asslick and get attention, and I have already gave somewhat enough proof when I was still in the team. For not all staffs, but a few. HQ is literally so stupid to understand anything I said. It's all bullshit at this point. I reported half the staff team to HQ but what did I get? "Stop making conspiracy theories". I gave enough fucking proof of anything. Guess what happened, I got kicked, well yes. I was dumb and half my actions were shit. I also said "Staffs only go online when there's 1/100 players online or whenever Hubert is online". Yeah... and I also called them desperate for promotions for doing so. A few hours later, I got kicked.

What happened with all my reports though? NOTHING. Look at where my reported staffs are right now. Senior Admin, Admin, Moderator. like wtf. Yall don't give a fuck and I don't know why you're still trying to revive this server. If Gandalf or Carbon gave a fuck, HQ wouldn't be there, if not, then actions were to be taken. Give up already. Even though there's a few chances doing a big development change, nothing is gonna end up good. Server has been dead since '18.

tl;dr staff is stupid, give up already, server's dead. FiveM is the future

With love, Stefos.

bro are you 8 years old

14 and im  proud

[Rei]

KHM <3

[Khm]

KHM <3

ayy Rei <3

[Jeremy.]

You're all missing the point, for real.

SA:MP died the day after Devin & Cyril HQ era ended. If I remember correctly, server was pretty active when they got mocked out by Gandalf and server activity started decreasing day by day. Why? Because of people who were let in charge after them, bunch of incompetents which did nothing than harm the server by letting their emotions control their actions. This is not an insult towards any of you but just talking in general. You all need to understand that unless you have a STRONG,STABLE,ACTIVE ownership AND an admin team all your attempts, doesn't matter whose, Andeey, Bas, Hubert, are nothing but just a waste of time. Why? Because the owner is not around, the person let in charge doesn't have full control, or maybe the chosen person just doesn't have the requirements to be a leader and that's not a shame. There can be hundred of reasons why, but you all miss the point. Gandalf has destroyed the server when everytime he came to check around, people ended up being community banned, insulted, pushed out and whatever. In my opinion, showing up to create chaos and leave after instead of fixing things by showing some little maturity is also one of the reasons people stopped playing. Oh yes, while other communities were growing up and progressing in scripts we were still discussing on the forums about removing blips color, adding requirements to be a freecop, implementing more jobs, rules and etc.


Things went thus: inactive ownership - owner coming from time to time to create mess - different HQ teams being picked up after the mess in a very short time - HQ teams being unable to manage a server - unskilled scripting team also led by unable HQ teams - server not progressing at all - current playerbase: 0.

There is a single way to revive the server, someone who is capable of creating something from 0, skilled, mature, completely neutral and active, get a full access on everything related SA:MP. Thus, we can have one or maybe two owners who have enough time to take care of the server for real. And no, Khm, someone which was community banned once and reached a Manager rank in such a short time should be proud enough only to be able of playing here and not let in charge of such a responsible rank, sorry buddy, nothing personal but you simply don't belong here. Argonath needs valuable HQ team and you're not valuable at all.

[Sawyer]

SA:MP died the day after Devin & Cyril HQ era ended.

Calling previous HQs corrupt yet addressing this one as ideal is hypocritical.

[Jeremy.]

SA:MP died the day after Devin & Cyril HQ era ended.

Calling previous HQs corrupt yet addressing this one as ideal is hypocritical.

Corrupt or not, players were active. As long as you dont have legit proof of their “corruption” dont talk about it.

[Sawyer]

SA:MP died the day after Devin & Cyril HQ era ended.

Calling previous HQs corrupt yet addressing this one as ideal is hypocritical.

Corrupt or not, players were active. As long as you dont have legit proof of their “corruption” dont talk about it.

Yes players were active because mainly major families or certain players had privileges both on and off the table.. and we both know there is legit proof of corruption taking place, but that's irrelevant as of now. An active environment is not necessarily a healthy one.

The moment we realize that asking any kind of HQ to step down only to be replaced for the sake of filling in an empty slot simply drags everyone back to point zero. What comes out of it? Another false promotion, according to the players anyway, just taken place in a moment of desperation for urgent leadership. Where's the sense?

[Bogomil]

As Jeremy said the success of the leadership is defined by the environment in game. If you fail to bring a good or at least some kind of environment, no matter how good or bad person you are, you failed. I totally trust Hubbe and Goobi as they've proven themselves many times.

[Sawyer]

As Jeremy said the success of the leadership is defined by the environment in game. If you fail to bring a good or at least some kind of environment, no matter how good or bad person you are, you failed. I totally trust Hubbe and Goobi as they've proven themselves many times.

I know you like making lists addressing your thoughts so here's one of why current criticism is not fair for the current HQ, at least in my eyes.

1. Few weeks is not enough time to show any sort of progress.
2. Constant shitting criticism about each and every move is not helping anyone.
3. Lack of in-game activity by 98% of the people complaining.
4. Constructive criticism as to what you'd like to see in the server is not yet evident and rather unclear.
5. Excessive pressure and long list of demands without actual contribution from the players side anymore.
6. Each and every decision or effective change is not pleasing everyone, hence not everyone is happy regardless of the outcome.
7. Encouragement or props even if there's right calls taken are long gone.
8. Everyone is unhappy unless they get things their way, no compromise for the sake of the server.
9. Not a sign of a radical change to improve the repeated toxic environment.
10. Everyone blames it on another person but themselves.
11. Prejudice and salt about every comment, action, punishment, update or anything going on.

[Khm]

The past environment is one of the factors for the current toxicity.

[Stefos]

Join hands with mudoo. Merge into one community, help eachother so that i can play with my Argonath friends in that mudoo's calm environment with no toxicity whatsoever.

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