[SA:MP] Developers Answer: Give Examples

[adam_stevens]

My mate surrenders to police and gets in police car to go to PD.
Question - Can me and my other mates RP getting him out? Like we drive 2 cars, surround that cop car, get out and then aim at the cop to tell him to free our mate. Is this allowed? Also, if cop refuses to do so (which wud be non rp if u were being aimed by 4 people at once with heavy guns) and suspects us and starts shooting at us, will shooting him back (and freeing our friend anyway) be classified as DM?

[CBFasi]

My mate surrenders to police and gets in police car to go to PD.
Question - Can me and my other mates RP getting him out? Like we drive 2 cars, surround that cop car, get out and then aim at the cop to tell him to free our mate. Is this allowed? Also, if cop refuses to do so (which wud be non rp if u were being aimed by 4 people at once with heavy guns) and suspects us and starts shooting at us, will shooting him back (and freeing our friend anyway) be classified as DM?

There is a rule that states once surrendered you are not allowed to run.

As an rp situation its great, however the problem lies in how the surrender system works.  If a suspect surrenders just to get police to stop engaging as he knows his friends are on the way that can be interpreted as abuse of ARPD rules and Script.

Why you may ask, well the fact that once a criminal has surrendered the cops will only get reward for time and effort if they jail them, if they shoot and kill they get an autmatic warning and no reward.  They may also get an additional warning from admins as they will often get reported by that suspect for shooting a surrendered suspect.  Technically this stops the police engaging if this suspect runs, although honestly most police will open fire on principal and ignore the reward.  It puts police at a disadvantage and you dont want to encourage police to kill rather than capture just because the buddies might try and release him...

My personal view is once you have surrendered you have accepted police justice no matter what, your friends need to help you before you surrender, not after.

[Trobby888]

Example : A suspect's motorbike has ran out of fuel. However, as he gets kicked out of the car, he gets back in, with the car being able to run for a few seconds before another kick. However he repeats this movement until he reaches the fuel station an /fillup and then starts running at full pace after that.

Question: We can argue that it is not RP that a person could travel in a fuel-less car. So is it allowed that a suspect can do this get in fueless car which can somehow run for another 3 seconds, then kicks him out again, then he gets back in for another 3 seconds, and then so on?

[Aragorn]

My mate surrenders to police and gets in police car to go to PD.
Question - Can me and my other mates RP getting him out? Like we drive 2 cars, surround that cop car, get out and then aim at the cop to tell him to free our mate. Is this allowed? Also, if cop refuses to do so (which wud be non rp if u were being aimed by 4 people at once with heavy guns) and suspects us and starts shooting at us, will shooting him back (and freeing our friend anyway) be classified as DM?

1. Your friends had a lot of good chances to help their friend to escape the police during all chases...
People surrender when "chase is over"... And does not suppose chases again... So once surrendered - jail...
2. Shooting back is not a DM as it is self defense - self defense is allowed...
3. If cop has a gun and sits in a car - he has all rights to refuse do anything in your case... As he can escape two cars (4 people)... Opposite - shooting the police car where sits your arrested friend - would be really non-rp in this situation... As you can damage your friend...

[Chill]

You still talking about another point , i left him and went on duty and he kept saying in pm "sorry for poor rping i am not in mood" and i think he felt bad About what he did so he came infront of me at GS9 and rped that he is using drugs and i was on duty at this time , he wanted me to suspect him and i Was on duty when he used the drugs .

Now that's a lie, I never did that. I did feel bad about it though, but as Aragorn said, I came in just to meet friends and earn some money, I wasn't in a great mood.

Yesterday I got hooked by FBI and they told me that I was involved in drugs, which I never was. Well kinda, I arranged a meeting but was never there, that's though a crime I know, but I wanted an answer for why and how? I asked an investigation, and he said OK, but first jail. Now what is this? Jail before investigation? I don't wanna be a moaner but to me that was a bit poor, and then when I came out they never did any investigation. Now, I wanna know, is this right?

[Chill]

(Sorry for bump)

1. Your friends had a lot of good chances to help their friend to escape the police during all chases...
People surrender when "chase is over"... And does not suppose chases again... So once surrendered - jail...
2. Shooting back is not a DM as it is self defense - self defense is allowed...
3. If cop has a gun and sits in a car - he has all rights to refuse do anything in your case... As he can escape two cars (4 people)... Opposite - shooting the police car where sits your arrested friend - would be really non-rp in this situation... As you can damage your friend...

Can a friend just jump in the chase with his car and start helping the suspect, or does the "helper" have to be where the crime for the first time started? I got froozen a few days ago when I came in with a car and helped my mate, but I was never there from the start.


And another one..
I was up on the LSPD roof and a few cops (including the Captain who froze me in my first question) came up and said "Please don't stand on state buildings, you can only be on your own propertys roofs." I after went away but still had a few question marks about this. I PMed the admin who also are an ARPD Captain and he told me it's one of those "unwritten rules". I got kinda.. Huh? How can the Civilians know about unwritten rules?
Is this right? 

I'm a little picky and is a perfectionist and I hate when people says things I don't know about. ^^ Might sound moany but that's how I am.

[Emilio_Barzini]

Now that's a lie, I never did that. I did feel bad about it though, but as Aragorn said, I came in just to meet friends and earn some money, I wasn't in a great mood.

Yesterday I got hooked by FBI and they told me that I was involved in drugs, which I never was. Well kinda, I arranged a meeting but was never there, that's though a crime I know, but I wanted an answer for why and how? I asked an investigation, and he said OK, but first jail. Now what is this? Jail before investigation? I don't wanna be a moaner but to me that was a bit poor, and then when I came out they never did any investigation. Now, I wanna know, is this right?

And did i force you to rp ? i left you when you escaped in the car ...

[polopolo]

An admin is just adminpatroling and spectating everyone

Question: when you are admin patroling, what are the steps to do at the person you are looking at?

[Gandalf]

Example : A suspect's motorbike has ran out of fuel. However, as he gets kicked out of the car, he gets back in, with the car being able to run for a few seconds before another kick. However he repeats this movement until he reaches the fuel station an /fillup and then starts running at full pace after that.

Question: We can argue that it is not RP that a person could travel in a fuel-less car. So is it allowed that a suspect can do this get in fueless car which can somehow run for another 3 seconds, then kicks him out again, then he gets back in for another 3 seconds, and then so on?

On the contrary. IRL if your car is out of fuel you might call roadservice (which can take a loong time but is best RP), get fuel from the station (which is not scriptd at this time) or push his vehicle to the gas station (exactly....).
If a player leaves the car, it could be stolen, standing elsewhere without fuel or respawned, in which case he would have to travel a long way to regain it.
So 'pushing' the car should be awarded, not seen as against RP.
 

[Gandalf]

Yesterday I got hooked by FBI and they told me that I was involved in drugs, which I never was. Well kinda, I arranged a meeting but was never there, that's though a crime I know, but I wanted an answer for why and how? I asked an investigation, and he said OK, but first jail. Now what is this? Jail before investigation? I don't wanna be a moaner but to me that was a bit poor, and then when I came out they never did any investigation. Now, I wanna know, is this right?

As you cooperated it was not against any rule.

[Gandalf]

(Sorry for bump)
Can a friend just jump in the chase with his car and start helping the suspect, or does the "helper" have to be where the crime for the first time started? I got froozen a few days ago when I came in with a car and helped my mate, but I was never there from the start.

Bump all you want..it should be kept alive.

Depends on the situation. First of all understand that the cops can not kill a person that is not suspected without receiving a warning. That means that you should expect to be suspected at once. Second it should be realistic. Not many friends would go near a situation where 3 cops and 1 friend shout it out.  And third it should be clear that he is your mate. To help a random criminal is far from realistic. So if you can get a good explanation as to how you know him, saw him and why you would help him, it can be allowed. If it looks like a random guy running in to a police situation... nope.

And another one..
I was up on the LSPD roof and a few cops (including the Captain who froze me in my first question) came up and said "Please don't stand on state buildings, you can only be on your own propertys roofs." I after went away but still had a few question marks about this. I PMed the admin who also are an ARPD Captain and he told me it's one of those "unwritten rules". I got kinda.. Huh? How can the Civilians know about unwritten rules?
Is this right? 

I'm a little picky and is a perfectionist and I hate when people says things I don't know about. ^^ Might sound moany but that's how I am.

Hmm... from ARPD point of view it is a clear rule not to allow civilians on top of their buildings. It could be snipers or terrorists.  From admin point of view this is similar. A usual place of weapon hackers is on top of a Pershing Square building and shoot around. However it is not a server rule.

[Gandalf]

An admin is just adminpatroling and spectating everyone

Question: when you are admin patroling, what are the steps to do at the person you are looking at?

Some people seem to feel nervous when they get spectated. Too bad for them, admins have the right to spectate someone for as long as they like, and anyone who disagrees only seems to have a reason not wanting to be watched.
In general, spectating can be random, or because of a report. If there was a report, admins will see if the reported activity takes place and only then take action. If there was no report, by checking the players actions and how they react to others it can be determined if it is an experienced or new player, and help can be offered to find out more about commands and play.
Especially after a report on hacking followed by shouting in main chat, a hacker will not use his hacks or use them 'smart'. By spectating people for a longer time, usually patient admins will win from hackers.

[polopolo]

I got an jetpack/heli and I know an glitch how to get in the blue hell. When the cops are behind me, I get in that blue hell

This is without /helpmeup, my question is, is this allowed?

[Dave]

Situation : There is a bank robbery in progress,i am a cop and i have no idea the robbery is going on. I walk to the bank to pay a loan. An unknown man outside the bank watches me as i go towards the door, and without any warning or threat or anything, he guns me down with an AK 47. I claim it is DM, the bank robber claims it was RP...

Is this RP or DM?

[Aragorn]

I got an jetpack/heli and I know an glitch how to get in the blue hell. When the cops are behind me, I get in that blue hell

This is without /helpmeup, my question is, is this allowed?

It is using glitch as advantage...
"NO GLITCHES, that give you advantage over other players"