War in South Ossetia

[schfifty]

Yeah when I first read the headlines I was like, "Georgia AMERICA?". Then it said President of Georgia was gonna do something and I thought, wait, Georgia doesn't have a president. It took me a whole second to realize it. But for half a second, I thought we were gonna live the movie Red Dawn. Anyways, I don't know how this all sprung up but I have a feeling we are going to get involved and I don't neccesarily want to do that at this time until I know all the facts. But, whatever happened, this war needs to be over with a treaty, not a country under someone else's rule.

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[Aragorn]

Dimka, do not think Americans or Estonians will support Russia ... Thats funny... Remember, for them - Russia is always guilty...

I think its only Russia is so kind that allowed several lands to be independent without any forcing them to stay...

For russians:
That was expected as Georgia is kissing Americans ass to join NATO thinking America will sponsor them with money...

And for very close russians:
If Saakashvili would be really like that enemy for Russia - he would not be existed...
Besides it leave it to the military forces to deal with... Cos Russia is uniting the Africa and Asia oil/gas barons... Gazprom now is the leader of deals and oil/gaz move all over North Africa and Asia and crashing other companies (American as well) in the production and communications... What it means you can read in economical reviews... This is the main reason why Russia is not that interested in NATO countries around... As about NATO - also do not be sad, just wait more time... Europe already got rid of dollars, in future they will got rid of NATO as well... I am not talking about past republics thou... But there is no scare, Americans will not give them nuclear power anyways, NATO was made not for that... But for sending foreign troops to Iraq for example... Some Europe countries already boycotted Iraq invention...

As about Osetia and Georgia... There was other war - as soon as separated from Russia, Armenia and Azerbajdjan started fighting for the Karabah lands... The best move for Russia - to evacuate all population of Osetia (which they started do)... One km more to Russia one km less to Russia - for Russia no difference... They should continue uniting with China and India and their oil/gaz monopoly... Because after Osetia there will be other war: Georgia - Abhazia - do not forget those guys, that will be more blood...

[Squeak]

I'm not saying that this war will be World War III I say this will be a rehearsal for a world war III.

I agree with Jubin, But WWIII Might be 50 or 60 years of IMO We just have to wait for stock market collapse..And the world will fall into chaos.

[Aragorn]

You all really think WW III will be like this? Or like WW II?
And cmon stop this panic about WW III... There were a lot of more bloody fights... And will be... Before WW III even will come (if it will)... 11 September died even more citizens, nobody was talking about WW III, Americans invented the Iraq - nobody talks about WW III... Georgia and Osetia are not that bigger...

There were Hiroshima, Kuwait, Cuba, Karabah, Palestine, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Cambodia, Kampuchea, Nicaragua, etc., etc., etc.... You guys just do not know most of those wars, which happened after WW II...
So do not think Georgia-Osetia is more global...

[Gandalf]

South Ossetia has held a democratic referendum for separation from Georgia.
When Kosovo did the same it was welcomed.

Russia had peace keeping troops in the area and they were attacked and killed by Georgia. Before any retaliation, Russia asked the UN safety council to condemn the attack of Georgia. the UN did not make a decision, as usual. It was not a big problem when the US took the initiative in Iraq after the UN did not want to make a decision.

Georgia got independence from Russia, but can not give independence to Ossetia of they wish to have it.
Georgia is attacking what they claim are their own people.
Russia is merely defending the area that they committed to keep peace. If any UN peace troops would be attacked and killed, there would be an immediate war as reply.

Now give me what reason you can cook up to defend the actions of Georgia.

And for Americans : Moscou and America are just 5km (3 miles) apart. They both are places in Holland.  :razz:

[Dimka_Richman]

Dimka, do not think Americans or Estonians will support Russia ...

Dude, i dont think so. But why saakashvili hopes that America will support Georgia? There is no oil at Ossetia, like it wus in Iraq.
 :ps: Jubin, people = people and they are dieing. ur calculation makes no difference to me.
 P :ps: Our president officialy confirms war.

[martenest]

I think this whole thing is phase 1 of taking over half of the world:



This is map of Russia as they claim, with Scandinavia, Japan etc. on it, no borders or anything: Just "Russia". And yes, Russian Education "something" (dont know it in English) have said that this map will be studying material for young Russians in school.
Now don't tell me its not Russian Government fault!

[Anto]

well, what I believe is that Russia will truly do what they want to do, who is going to stop them??

No one, well, there is NATO, they are very powerful, with America, France, England, etc, they could match the military forces of Russia easy, but do they really want their own soldiers killed over a small country's problems in another continent? I dont think so, unless it has some political gain for America, (like Oil in Iraq we all know bush is there for it only)

The UN will probably send their peackeeping troops into the hot-spots, countrys like Ireland, France, Italy. Their forces will do peacekeeping, or maybe Enforcing, but mostly Peacekeeping, and like Gandalf said, if UN peace troops are killed, the UN will go bonkers...

I really don't understand the politics of Russia, and I would never get in a big discussion about it without knowing my facts, these facts above I know may happen, and also, question to Russians - why UN and everyone is taking Georgia's side, do they not think Russia could be right? or are they still bitter after the cold war problems between herself and America?

[Gandalf]

I think this whole thing is phase 1 of taking over half of the world:

This is map of Russia as they claim, with Scandinavia, Japan etc. on it, no borders or anything: Just "Russia". And yes, Russian Education "something" (dont know it in English) have said that this map will be studying material for young Russians in school.
Now don't tell me its not Russian Government fault!

Tell me exactly where you got that map from, and the source of who claimed this. Either facts or stop spreading lies.
Besides that what does this map have to do with the current situation ?

Anto Russia asked the UN to condemn the Georgian attack on south Ossetia. The UN did not make a decision, and Russians were dying. Right now they still do not make any decision. The problem is that if they support Georgia, then why did they support Kosovo in the same situation with Serbia ? Would the UN have sat and watched ifSerbia had attacked Kovovo after their declaration of independence ? Georgia is killing Russians and Ossetians, who they call their own people.

Russia did not start the attacks so tell me why they are supposed to be the bad guys here ?

[UberPwner]

You think this is start or practice of WW3?

Go cry to the "wah"-mbulance,

because, you aint seen NOTHING yet...


And on Whos the Baddy and Goody,
Both sides had a considerable part in the start of the war.

and hopefully, the bloodshed will end before any more lives are lost.

[Legolas]

I am against all conflicts. And this is not WWIII, its another conflict... like Lebanon and Israel in 2006. Hope ends soon.

And second, as admin i sugest dont talk about politics here... even if that is off-topic

[murderboy]

what does this war even matter?
this is just a little war which doesnt matter for the world,

and yeah right WW3 for 1 very small country against a bigger country,
2 countries in war isnt a world war

[Aragorn]

what does this war even matter?
this is just a little war which doesnt matter for the world,

and yeah right WW3 for 1 very small country against a bigger country,
2 countries in war isnt a world war

I am happy you are in NATO... Seeing your comment I wish your country being forced to send forces to Iraq and got attacked and killed... I really wish it now... I wanna see how you will "sing" after that...

[Fabio]

This could mean a WW3, USA Attacking Russia, Russia calling one of their freinds. Urgh.

[Aragorn]

I really don't understand the politics of Russia, and I would never get in a big discussion about it without knowing my facts, these facts above I know may happen, and also, question to Russians - why UN and everyone is taking Georgia's side, do they not think Russia could be right? or are they still bitter after the cold war problems between herself and America?

Lol, if America says "Russia is guilty" - Russia is guilty really?
Pffft... Do not understand Russian politics?
I will explain... If you will WISH f**king UNDERSTAND...

Russian peacemaking troops were f**king attacked... Russians asked for actions the UN, UN is sitting and licking americans ass, Russians answered and fought to get to their forces to evacuate wounded soldiers and civilians...

Still f**king do not understand?

I never saw America supporting any Russians actions...

The whole f**king world kept silence when Japan got nuclear attack... The whole f**king world was keeping silence when America attacked Iraq... What they f**king forgot there? Helping with peace? Take your marine and go to Africa - there are many wars between tribes... Do not want? Of cos America does not want to go to Africa, no interest... Only if Africa will have some oil they will start wars, then peace makings... The whole f**king world was celebrating independence of past USSR republics... Also f**king independence... That time any f**king country suggested Russians to attack Estonia, Latvia, Litva, Armenia, Georgia? No f**king no!... Why the f**k now Osetia is doing the same what did all this republics and the whole world again is f**king against Russia?

Stop f**king being ignorant and look at the world NORMAL eyes... Not through American propaganda...

What Russia did for you all personally, that you, f**kers, hate this country? Count by your f**ked up brains how many wars started America and which wars Russia started... All you will remember - Afganistan...

Yeah I am pissed...

"Germans were defeated cos America joined the war and beat them"... What an assholes lie...
"Russians are dictators, cos they had Stalin"... WTF...

Stalin was Georgian, whom you f**king "respect" now... Why do not start "Georgians f**kers! they had Stalin!"...
And that were not America or Europe who defeated Stalin's apartheid... That were Russians... With the Courts and punishment the murderers against country... Why you do not know about it? Cos you think all Russia supported Stalin, this is what you were f**king studying...

When you hear "Stalin" what you say? Aw, Russia sucks!... This is what you f**kers say... And that Stalin was killing Russians you f**king even do not know... Do not think about it... You f**kers have no idea who is Hrushev... And this guy crashed the Stalin's system... Arrested all murderers and announced about crimes Stalin, Beria (also Georgian) and others did... This you f**kers never heard, I am sure...

Do not understand Russian politics? Then f**king try to understand Russia instead of bullshitting it...