New argonath, changed bad or good?

[adam_stevens]

Jubin you really havent been online lately have you? Im here since September, 2007 and i recall Argonath having very few admins. I never had such problems as i have now and then i didn't even properly know rules. I changed name few days ago and got kicked because a regular reported me for carjacking even though i had never done it. Admin had no proof yet he just kicked me coz a regular reported. That really pisses off, and if it really was a new player i wouldn't be surprised if he just left for good after this. Did admins have same attitude a year ago? Some did probably but now when u get 10 times as much of those, believe me, its not really enjoyable.

[Jubin]

Did admins have same attitude a year ago? Some did probably...

You are answering your own question.

[adam_stevens]

and read further :p i do not want to continue discussion since some1 will get angry at me. Its just my opinion and thats it

[Davron]

Well when i went on agro on SAMP i thought that the people was not polite i asked for help from the police and they said leave me alone you NOOB.I asked some of the players they said i am busy you noob.I felt like wow the SAMP should have a strong server and it is so popluar and all this is being harsh to everyone.So i personally thought that it is the people that place it that is bad not the scripts are good.

[Chill]

Generally people was worse in RP before, now when ooc and such have become famous, RP is alot better. Scripts for the RP is better, but they are still more pointed to "fun" than "rp", which doesn't suit me very well. A few admins (not all, I've got many admin pals) have also, as John said become a bit upnoosed. "I'm better than you, I'm an admin, duhu" kinda way, a few of them are often too important to RP.

RP is more pointed in the fun kind of way and not as a real life thing, I ain't sayin' it's bad but generally there's better RP in RL servers. I feel like the admin team was more compact before and more player supported the A-team, nowadays you often see admins flaming each other behind their backs, or even in the main chat.

So, basicly the only reason I've stayed in Argonath is for the community, not the players. I like the individuals, but if you look at the bigger picture, it's worse. Scripts though, are growing to get better.

[Samaron]

back in the days argonath was about rp now its about who can pwn who more.

[ChaNce]

back in the days argonath was about rp now its about who can pwn who more.

Exactly. Not more to say.

[Carhartt]

I enjoyed the old Argonath (v1) much more than the current one.
People concentrated on the Roleplay, gaining new friends and having fun.
Everyone had enough money due to scripted jobs and the casinos, scamming didn't really exist and the gang / mafia RP was wonderful.
Today it's all about money and the job as admin, 10% of the server are actually RPing and following the "Act like in real life" theme.
People are whining because of any kind of shit, abusing the scripts, hacking, and other stupid stuff.

[Davron]

I enjoyed the old Argonath (v1) much more than the current one.
People concentrated on the Roleplay, gaining new friends and having fun.
Everyone had enough money due to scripted jobs and the casinos, scamming didn't really exist and the gang / mafia RP was wonderful.
Today it's all about money and the job as admin, 10% of the server are actually RPing and following the "Act like in real life" theme.
People are whining because of any kind of shit, abusing the scripts, hacking, and other stupid stuff.

I agree with you no one want to do a other than a job that gives you money and fast

[Pandalink]

It's a lot of abusing from admins these days. I prefer admins who talks instead of giving players warning for small shitty things just to notify everyone that they're "the king of the hill" basicly. And that is a big issue for new admins. They wanna do as much as possible just to get "famous".

I agree with the warning thing, and it is being addressed, I assure you.

Mafia's were actualy making deals or fighting eachother instead of lame "meetings" that don't solve shit or max recruiting.

Yea, well I wish we were allowed to fight - but hey.. pull a gun these days and you are a "DMer!" according to some/most people. Seriously, gangwars are perfectly fine if someone is there to moderate them. Heck, I'd do it. Its really not that hard.

RP is more pointed in the fun kind of way and not as a real life thing, I ain't sayin' it's bad but generally there's better RP in RL servers.

I was speaking to a player the other day who was searching through servers trying to find a good roleplay server.
He said something which I have come to understand - RP Servers are not the same as RPG Servers.

RP Servers, for the most part, are extremely harsh to players and new players are told to piss off, basically.
RPG Servers, for the most part, are calmer on the rules (whilst still keeping them) and new players are welcomed.

That said, I have found that some new players find Argonath very unwelcoming. Unless you can speak and type like a master right from the start, and look really pro, you're not about to break into any of the best gangs because they will think that you're.. well.. a 'noob'.

RL/RP Servers also, for the most part, suck (IMO). I don't find the idea of playing real life so tightly fun whatsoever, especially not when I get jailed for 15 minutes for bunnyhopping.
Argonath, on the other hand, blatantly does not suck. You just have to find the right place to belong. Find a good gang, and you're good to go.

Personally, I think the (relatively recent) immigration of the whole OOC/IC (( )) mess from other servers to have been a really, really bad thing. People are like "OH NON RP!". Well, christ, what are you complaining about. Go RP with someone you like. And if a DMer attacks you, kick their ass. When the cops come, kick their ass. Or surrender. Whichever is good.

You know why people think there are more DMers about lately? Because when people die, they lose more money than before (as a percentage of their wealth). Take a look at the old scripts - you had minigun hackers everywhere, like 2-3 a day (banned within seconds, but still killing many).
You know what people do now when they get DMed?
They see a DMer coming, then they scream:
"F***ING DMERS!!!! ADMINS!! WTF ADMINS NOT REACTING!!!"
... during which time they are killed.

You know what they did back then?
They owned the DMer and laughed all the way to the bank.

People's attitudes have changed, along with the scripts. If everyone was given several million dollars in one go - not only would the economy cease to exist, but so would most of the bitching.
People don't lose anything by dying = People don't moan.
My advice to everyone? Learn to defend yourself from DMers, and expect to die at least every 5 minutes. That way, when you do die, you aren't pissed off and annoyed.

I mean, come on. Its Grand Theft Auto. Not The Sims.

[Dave]

Those people talking about the old days back in 2007. SA:MP is not, will not and never was the "old Days". The old days of Argonath, in the minds of many of the veterans of Argonath is MTA and the short period from summer 2006 till early 2007 when the SA:MP server opened.

[Gandalf]

This topic is funny.

With more scripts, people feel RP is worse. Yet they ask for even more binding scripts.

There is one factor that makes the server good or bad, and that are the players. You guys are making your own environment. If you want it to be closed to outsiders, it means there will not be new players and the server will die. If you welcome new people, it will continue to grow and be popular, but you will have to teach them.

The main factor is the attitude. There is a good reason why we made the rule 'no noobs', as we feel old player admins or whoever are not higher than anyone who just entered the server. In fact a veteran player who breaks the rules should be punished much more than a new one, not be given credit at all.

So to all who feel things have changed... what are you going to do about it other than complain ?

[Chill]

I was speaking to a player the other day who was searching through servers trying to find a good roleplay server.
He said something which I have come to understand - RP Servers are not the same as RPG Servers.

RP Servers, for the most part, are extremely harsh to players and new players are told to piss off, basically.
RPG Servers, for the most part, are calmer on the rules (whilst still keeping them) and new players are welcomed.

That said, I have found that some new players find Argonath very unwelcoming. Unless you can speak and type like a master right from the start, and look really pro, you're not about to break into any of the best gangs because they will think that you're.. well.. a 'noob'.

RL/RP Servers also, for the most part, suck (IMO). I don't find the idea of playing real life so tightly fun whatsoever, especially not when I get jailed for 15 minutes for bunnyhopping.
Argonath, on the other hand, blatantly does not suck. You just have to find the right place to belong. Find a good gang, and you're good to go.

Personally, I think the (relatively recent) immigration of the whole OOC/IC (( )) mess from other servers to have been a really, really bad thing. People are like "OH NON RP!". Well, christ, what are you complaining about. Go RP with someone you like. And if a DMer attacks you, kick their ass. When the cops come, kick their ass. Or surrender. Whichever is good.

You know why people think there are more DMers about lately? Because when people die, they lose more money than before (as a percentage of their wealth). Take a look at the old scripts - you had minigun hackers everywhere, like 2-3 a day (banned within seconds, but still killing many).
You know what people do now when they get DMed?
They see a DMer coming, then they scream:
"F***ING DMERS!!!! ADMINS!! WTF ADMINS NOT REACTING!!!"
... during which time they are killed.

You know what they did back then?
They owned the DMer and laughed all the way to the bank.

People's attitudes have changed, along with the scripts. If everyone was given several million dollars in one go - not only would the economy cease to exist, but so would most of the bitching.
People don't lose anything by dying = People don't moan.
My advice to everyone? Learn to defend yourself from DMers, and expect to die at least every 5 minutes. That way, when you do die, you aren't pissed off and annoyed.

I mean, come on. Its Grand Theft Auto. Not The Sims.

I do not know if that's directed towards me, however, I'll answer it anyways. This in the otherhand isn't directed against/for whatever with you, just my opinion about your statements. (God I feel so geeky).

 You started of with saying that RL servers is extremly harsh against new players, if you see that from a scripted purpose, or if you look at the players attitudes against others in RL servers. Anyways, you can never blame an entire server on being harsh just because many individuals are so. Many people I've met in other servers help me out, they're doing great. Attitude is something you can't blame a server, it's how the player reacts towards people. Same effect is it in Argonath, a few people just don't give a shit and drives away from newcommers instead of helping them, and then again there's people who help new people like Hank for example, who does great in teaching and learning new peeps.


RL/RP Servers also, for the most part, suck (IMO). I don't find the idea of playing real life so tightly fun whatsoever, especially not when I get jailed for 15 minutes for bunnyhopping.
Argonath, on the other hand, blatantly does not suck. You just have to find the right place to belong. Find a good gang, and you're good to go.


Well, yeah, I'm absolutely not sure but I guess a lot of that is directed towards Val *cough* halla. They suck, basically. Anyways, other RL RP servers really goes strict on the RP, roleplay like you would be a real person, and you'll be accepted. Of course there's different opinions about this kind of RP, some people thinks it's fun and some people thinks it's boring. You can never change that opinion on anybody, and I don't say you are either. I do like argonath, don't get me wrong. Though, your first impression after coming online after a huge break is often '/give ID homosexuality or /me is lagging )' or any other stupid "fun roleplay actions", I just find it ridiculous.

Uhm, about that kicking deathmatchers arse part, well. I'm sure many agrees on that it sucks to get deathmatched, and deathmatching back isn't the way to solve it, it just provokes the deathmatcher to do it more, and more, and that just makes other newcommers to follow the deathmatcher and deathmatch with him. Phew.
  Also, if you kill the guy you get suspected, if you get suspected you die/get jailed at some point (in the current script), and that's not really what you want either, and basically you haven't roleplayed the crime at all except for killing a random deathmatcher. The best way to solve this is to either report it to an admin, or try to talk to the player, I've tried this many times and you usually get surprised of how easy they pick it up, and start being roleplayers instead.

It's easy to talk about the good ol' days as only pure RP and everyone were nice to eachother blabla, now, that's not the case. I remember how people moaned just as much as these days because the admins didn't react, I remember how LCV and Corleone had large arguments in the main chat, I remembered how people generally was pissed off at each other, really about just as much as before. Thing is that there's alot more players these days, aswell as alot people who've come from other servers who've had other more strict rules than argonaths.

The main factor is just the attitude, if we can change that, which is pretty hard, you'll see an huge difference on the look at argonath.

[Aragorn]

Argonath RPG changed a lot...

Good side: more friends and veterans, stable group of support and players...
Bad side: more and more rules requested, more and more complains on each other...

One reason of bad side I see in a very active admins team... So that other players are putting on admins shoulders more and more "tasks" to do... But themselves usually decided that sending a report is the best "help" for Argonath online... I was and will be warning those who send report to admins and start immediately demanding from admins an action...
With me it was right today when after getting a report on a player I went to spectate him... And while I was spectating him I saw a lot of "shit" from a reporter into admins side... Admins do not work, admins do nothing, etc... I warned the guy for that... It is horrible to react on your reports and listen to all crap about us, admins, doing nothing...

SA:MP server has the biggest amount of complainers and moaners... Even being on MTA:SA when were only 1-2 admins on all the time, players were not moaning that much as it does SA:MP community...

I dunno where from it came: either this players are used to moan on other servers, or we have too good admins team which is trying to react on every complain and players started to think that admins should react on every "fart"... But it is incredibly annoying... The one thing I do not like in our community...

But in all other sides - it became be good... Cos I remember the times we had to sit on server almost 24/7 cos of amount of deathmatch, hacking and cheating...

As about those who think Argonath became be bad - they have no idea what chaos it was before... And hardly they would even stay on Argonath those times...

[Matthew_Cipricla]

Yes seriously, I think its fun for everyone when they first join, but later and later on you are here, the more problems you find and the more problems you run into. Appretly there is something here that keeps everyone from leaving. I say im fine with it, there are problems but I can deal with them. And as long as we have an Argonath RPG server, it will be fine, no matter what hell we are going through at the moment. Stop looking on negative things and look on what you have and where you are going with it, then you might realise how much you've accomplished and how much you enjoyed times, the good times. The picture life if you never joined Argo, or it dissapeared. Yes there are problems but we either got people working on it (like script problems) or its unchangable (alot of Dmers, non-RPers, etc....) It just matters if you let it get to you. If you let a DMer or a hacker get you down, and you complain about him/her, and you really get pissed off at it. Where are you? Your not having any fun and not RPing, just like what it would be like without Argo. So just be happy we have the server and people working on it and take what its got, wether or not things get better, we will got teh community (even though people hate each other sometimes), the RP, and the server.