My opinion..

[Watahell]

Regarding AV members, you can PM me and I'll make sure every pm will be investigated, thanks.
I want evidences of members not roleplaying...

[Fabio]

Not to offend R* here, but I would rather stay with Sforza any time, because I growed in Argonath RPG with Sforza, Sforza are one of the best RP groups on Argonath. I only joined ARPD cause one of my best friends asked me to, and I've really enjoyed it, and I always wanted to be a admin to help people and myself out but i havent had the chance yet., Even after all this I can still enjoy RP, but Thats just my opinion.

Also maybe, if people should stop talking and start getting to action to fix this, if you think it is harming Argonath.

And.. one more thing, you can't force to RP... Its a person's choice, And I've seen many ppl on SA:MP complain about non RP And ppl kicked for non=rp and not kicked for DM, So In my view, SA:MP is more corrupted then the other servers. MTA:VC VC:MP may not be perfect, but I see better admining and more respectful players on their servers then SA:MP. AS for MTA:SA, it is perfect, Great Admins & Great Players.

 :ps: Not everyone on SA:MP are bad.

[9r2e5i3k]

Sorry but what's good about WS and AV? Clans aren't rp and most of the members of WS and AV never rp anyway.

AV members do roleplay. And I take that sentence as an insult towards the whole clan.

And AFAIK you do forced roleplay (as in, if you rob or jump someone, and he doesn't want to RP that, you scream "non RP" at him).

[Dave]

Sorry but what's good about WS and AV? Clans aren't rp and most of the members of WS and AV never rp anyway.

Ditto from Grz. You want to talk about =AV= and [WS] problems. you can talk to all the administration staff in an MSN convo and then we can work out your problems. We have one of the highest standards of roleplay in this community. We do not do mafia and gang RP, as this is not a mafia or gang RP server. It is a free choice server with more than one possibility of RP. If we don't RP the way you want to. Ignore us, as we probably do the same to you anyway.

You may also find that [AV] members are mostly ARPD or admins along with [WS] being mainly event hosts etc.

[ChaNce]

AV members do roleplay. And I take that sentence as an insult towards the whole clan.

And AFAIK you do forced roleplay (as in, if you rob or jump someone, and he doesn't want to RP that, you scream "non RP" at him).

So Grzesiek ,basically you are saying that this server could also be called: WHENEVER-YOU-WANT-RPG ?
Because thats how it sounds.
I mean imagine this -> If you'd want to kidnap me with your friends, and I just simply say..." Nah, not in the mood for RP", then you'd probably say the same.
And I really can think of ONE VERY VERY good example in Argonath , OF AN ADMIN.
Marcel and me were RPing to rob Hyper out, we rped , asking him for the his money..and you know what he did?
He gave us ONE Dollar and bunnyhopped away. I asked him in /p Hyper..what was that? He just answered like an idiot: Try to earn cash on another way.
BUT here comes the question..HOW?! No one RPs properly here, everyone is waiting for a Gimli-quiz (Not offending for Gimli), waiting to get money.
Its not true? Let me state this example: I wrote : "Free Money at LSPD", what happend? Atleast 25 players made a row infront me and waited for the cash.
There is no other opportunity to make cash, besides beeing an ARPD cop or winnign cash from DD Events and shit.
Why? Because no one even bothers to RP here. You could call it Argonath Freeroam Server, no one would care.
Earlier in 0.2.1 we had DrugRP, with NO DRUGSCRIPT and it worked hard! We had Gang RP and it worked out well, even with admins in it.
Mafia RP was at its highest with Solonik Corleone and Stracci and Araatus.
We had enough Streetgangs and Mafias at a same Level.
Aztecas Gangs (TAB and shit) Vagos gangs (18th Street) Crips (CPC) Bloods (TB) Ballas and GSF and a lot more.

And guys, theres no need to defend me, I can have whole Argonath against me and still stand my man Still, thanks

@Dave -> As I said, AV nor WS ARENT bad clans, I said they are ONE step to gain MORE respect and POWER in Argonath.

[Dave]

So Grzesiek ,basically you are saying that this server could also be called: WHENEVER-YOU-WANT-RPG ?
Because thats how it sounds.
I mean imagine this -> If you'd want to kidnap me with your friends, and I just simply say..." Nah, not in the mood for RP", then you'd probably say the same.
And I really can think of ONE VERY VERY good example in Argonath , OF AN ADMIN.
Marcel and me were RPing to rob Hyper out, we rped , asking him for the his money..and you know what he did?
He gave us ONE Dollar and bunnyhopped away. I asked him in /p Hyper..what was that? He just answered like an idiot: Try to earn cash on another way.
BUT here comes the question..HOW?! No one RPs properly here, everyone is waiting for a Gimli-quiz (Not offending for Gimli), waiting to get money.
Its not true? Let me state this example: I wrote : "Free Money at LSPD", what happend? Atleast 25 players made a row infront me and waited for the cash.
There is no other opportunity to make cash, besides beeing an ARPD cop or winnign cash from DD Events and shit.
Why? Because no one even bothers to RP here. You could call it Argonath Freeroam Server, no one would care.
Earlier in 0.2.1 we had DrugRP, with NO DRUGSCRIPT and it worked hard! We had Gang RP and it worked out well, even with admins in it.
Mafia RP was at its highest with Solonik Corleone and Stracci and Araatus.
We had enough Streetgangs and Mafias at a same Level.
Aztecas Gangs (TAB and shit) Vagos gangs (18th Street) Crips (CPC) Bloods (TB) Ballas and GSF and a lot more.

And guys, theres no need to defend me, I can have whole Argonath against me and still stand my man Still, thanks

@Dave -> As I said, AV nor WS ARENT bad clans, I said they are ONE step to gain MORE respect and POWER in Argonath.

People do not and do not have to RP constantly and whenevr they are in the server. That is a well known state of fact that has been implied within all the servers for over 2 years.

[Anto]

Its turned from a discussion of Troy's personal opinion to a topic solely about why clans are not good to join, some of the people writing in this topic saying what ass-licking is don't even know what they are talking about. Some people ass-lick, some people don't! stop being bitter about and ignore them and get on with it, if you complain about everyone in life who ass-licks then you will just get told to fuck off or/and a beating anywhere you go, whether it be work, school or out on the road...

[Fabio]

Let me say one thing...

On SA:MP, you don't wanna RP, you get kicked non RP.

If you DM, you get away with it.

WTF is that all about...

I don't know how you can defend all these mafia's and stuff, and just like Dave said, you don't have to RP, I was driving around one day just checking out SA, and Coreleone members came and wanted 2 kidnapp, I didn't wnat to RP, because I was doing other things, and what happens? I get car jacked and DMed, Wonderful.  

[ChaNce]

So you basically say, that Hypers reaction was normal?
What do you state as RP then? Making events? Doing Quizes? Mafias owning turf?

[9r2e5i3k]

WHENEVER-YOU-WANT-RPG ?
Because thats how it sounds.

Either that or ROFL (Roleplay Or Fucking Leave) RPG

You can at least PM your 'victims' that you are going to kidnap them and ask if it's OK with them. If you don't ask - expect people bunnyhopping away. And if you can't find any way to earn money except events and cop work - you're not creative enough. Look on MTA:VC - I still keep finding new ways of making money even though I play on it since winter '06.

arcel and me were RPing to rob Hyper out, we rped , asking him for the his money..and you know what he did?
no one even bothers to RP here. You could call it Argonath Freeroam Server, no one would care.

If you force people to be kidnapped, no wonder they don't want to roleplay (at least with you).

Earlier in 0.2.1 we had DrugRP, with NO DRUGSCRIPT and it worked hard! We had Gang RP and it worked out well, even with admins in it.
Mafia RP was at its highest with Solonik Corleone and Stracci and Araatus.
We had enough Streetgangs and Mafias at a same Level.
Aztecas Gangs (TAB and shit) Vagos gangs (18th Street) Crips (CPC) Bloods (TB) Ballas and GSF and a lot more.

Then why don't you start roleplaying WITHOUT the script just like in the old days? It's in your head that if someone is scripted, you HAVE to use it. Throw that out, it's limiting your imagination.

[ChaNce]

Grzesiek why dont I start roleplaying without the script?

I am able to RP it, and a little amount of Argonath too, but the rest isnt, take it as an offence, but Im serious.

I dont force them, what else are they doing, that they are so busy? Ok Admins, I understand it but the rest? Driving arround in cars, waiting for an orange point to appear, or just drive arround waiting for a Quiz

[Fabio]

So you basically say, that Hypers reaction was normal?
What do you state as RP then? Making events? Doing Quizes? Mafias owning turf?

RP is optional, Roleplay is good, but only when your having fun, when your not having fun, no bloody point,

[Dave]

Its turned from a discussion of Troy's personal opinion to a topic solely about why clans are not good to join, some of the people writing in this topic saying what ass-licking is don't even know what they are talking about. Some people ass-lick, some people don't! stop being bitter about and ignore them and get on with it, if you complain about everyone in life who ass-licks then you will just get told to f**k off or/and a beating anywhere you go, whether it be work, school or out on the road...

People who complain about asslicking to others. Are asslicking the people who they are complainging to. By picking out the ones that are putting on a show for all to see and telling the truth to try to impress someone else is partly asslicking in its own right. Although I would not use the word asslicking for it, but the general use phrase Suck-Up

So you basically say, that Hypers reaction was normal?
What do you state as RP then? Making events? Doing Quizes? Mafias owning turf?

What do you state as RP? Going around shotuing "yo nigga nigga lets cap some muthaf***ing bad guyes and go roll with our homies and pop some of those ballas!" I mean WTF  is that. If you want to RP gangsta and want everyone to RP gangsta, there are plenty of gangsta RP servers there.



In the MTA days, all we had to go by was the /me command and some money transfer stuff and a few cop commands. Now there are nearly 100 commands that do everything for you. Rp in SA:MP has got lazy. MTA:VC uses creativity to roleplay and even after the new scripts. There are still only near 10-15 RP purpose commands.

Grzesiek why dont I start roleplaying without the script?

I am able to RP it, and a little amount of Argonath too, but the rest isnt, take it as an offence, but Im serious.

I dont force them, what else are they doing, that they are so busy? Ok Admins, I understand it but the rest? Driving arround in cars, waiting for an orange point to appear, or just drive arround waiting for a Quiz

I do take it as offense. You are calling most of this RP community non-rpers. Some aspects I can see where you are comming from but others I cannot. People try there best to RP. If you want to complain about DMers "n00bs" then do so. If you want a good state of RP. Teach them. Simple.

RP is optional, Roleplay is good, but only when your having fun, when your not having fun, no bloody point,

Agreed. RP is optional. If someone is tired and cant be botherd doing alot of stuff and just wants to hang around with his mates. Or if they are feeling down and just want to relax and clear their mind, they should be allowed to. RP should not be forced upon people all the time. They should be allowed some time to relax and refresh themselfs.

[ChaNce]

Dave, that shows me, that you think that you have a BIG RP Experience, but seriously you dont.
If I want to RP a gangsta..whats wrong with it? Corleones RP Mobsters? So they have to go to a Mobster Server, or we have to go to a Gangsta RP Server?
So you can told me indirectly that Argonath has no Roleplaypotential at all, besides COP-RP and Adminworks?

[Dave]

Dave, that shows me, that you think that you have a BIG RP Experience, but seriously you dont.
If I want to RP a gangsta..whats wrong with it? Corleones RP Mobsters? So they have to go to a Mobster Server, or we have to go to a Gangsta RP Server?
So you can told me indirectly that Argonath has no Roleplaypotential at all, besides COP-RP and Adminworks?

Did I say that? No. I do not like the way people gangsta RP. I really don't. From experience all Ii can see, and Grz can back me up on this, is an excuse to DM, shoot some people, cause gang wars and flame people.

As for mobsters. I prefer that to gangster RP. Mobsters play a large part in the "economy" , raking in alot of wealth and using it to run buisnesses etc.

I did not at any point say that this server is admin and Cop RP alone. Learn to read and piece multiple statments together before you ever acuse me of saying something I clearly did not.