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Reply #165 on: October 04, 2010, 08:33:45 pm

Tandtrollet, I tried that too, but I can't seem to figure out how the very first 1 appears..


Let's first look at an example. Let's look at the list of numbers

                                   3^1, 3^2, 3^3, 3^4, ....   
Finding the actual values, we get    3,   9,  27,  81,  ....


So what is the pattern in the bottom sequence? Well, every time you move to the right in the list you multiply by 3, and every time you move to the left in the list you divide by 3. So we could take the bottom sequence and keep going to the left and dividing by 3, and we'd have the sequence that looks like this:

..., 3^-3, 3^-2, 3^-1, 3^0, 3^1, 3^2, 3^3, 3^4, ....     

..., 1/27,  1/9,  1/3,   1,   3,   9,  27,  81,  ....


So now we know what all the powers of 3 are! Actually, we just did the integer powers of 3. But that's probably enough for now.


While the above argument might help convince your intuitive side that any number to the zero power is 1, the following argument is a little more rigorous.

This proof uses the laws of exponents. One of the laws of exponents is:

   n^x
   --- = n^(x-y)
   n^y   

for all n, x, and y. So for example,

   3^4
   --- = 3^(4-2) = 3^2
   3^2


   3^4
   --- = 3^(4-3) = 3^1
   3^3
   

Now suppose we have the fraction:

    3^4
    ---
    3^4

This fraction equals 1, because the numerator and the denominator are the same. If we apply the law of exponents, we get:

       3^4
   1 = --- = 3^(4-4) = 3^0
       3^4

So 3^0 = 1.

We can plug in any in number in the place of three, and that number raised to the zero power will still be 1. In fact, the whole proof works if we just plug in x for 3:

                  x^4
  x^0 = x^(4-4) = --- = 1
                  x^4       


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Reply #166 on: October 04, 2010, 09:24:55 pm
Hmm, thanks for the explanation, but... there are two ones, only out of which one is accounted for. What causes the other one to appear? Logically there should only be a single one, right? :conf: 

1 = ?
1 = 3^0
3 = 3^1
9 = 3^2
27 = 3^3
81 = 3^4

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Reply #167 on: October 04, 2010, 10:12:01 pm
The sequence is 3(1/2)(n-2)(n-1-|n-2|+|n-1-|n-2||) with n starting at 1.



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Reply #168 on: October 04, 2010, 10:29:19 pm
The sequence is 3(1/2)(n-2)(n-1-|n-2|+|n-1-|n-2||) with n starting at 1.

Nice answer! Could you post the solution too? :)

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Reply #169 on: October 04, 2010, 11:21:55 pm
It's a little complicated to try and explain the exact process I went through in a non-ambiguous manor, but I'll see if I can come up with something.



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Reply #170 on: October 05, 2010, 01:26:46 am
Wow, seen some very different methods today, which I haven't yet learned.
I am not sure what the question is asking with giving the explanation - I would presume it would be the nth term rule, but that again depends on the context, I suppose.


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Reply #171 on: October 05, 2010, 07:23:51 am
In attempting to explain my solution, I ended up getting a different answer. Both answers work, but this one just happens to be somewhat simpler. This reiterates that fact that my process doesn't follow an exact convention, and due to the nature of this, it is far from the only solution to the sequence, and by playing around with equations, you might even be able come up with a different number to finish the sequence. With all that in mind, my new solution is given below:


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If you don't understand how I came up with a specific equation within the solution, I can explain in further detail.



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Reply #172 on: October 05, 2010, 07:42:07 am
omg amazing topic! great fcking community we got here!!! :D:D:D:D
sorry just had to post. in case that later on i need help and can't find the topic.



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Reply #173 on: October 05, 2010, 09:05:37 am
I would presume it would be the nth term rule, but that again depends on the context, I suppose.
Context is irrelevant. As long as you're able to produce a valid equation for the pattern of the sequence, there's nothing anyone can say to reject your result.



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Reply #174 on: October 05, 2010, 11:29:04 pm
Context is irrelevant. As long as you're able to produce a valid equation for the pattern of the sequence, there's nothing anyone can say to reject your result.

That is true - but often, examination questions in particular, ask you to sometimes give your answer in a certain form - which can at time deviate from the simple sequence rule.


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Reply #175 on: October 06, 2010, 09:00:10 am
If such a restriction applied, it'd have to be explicitly stated somewhere.



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Reply #176 on: October 07, 2010, 12:54:29 am
If such a restriction applied, it'd have to be explicitly stated somewhere.

Yep, ideally. Unless the topic you are working on is generally followed through one form. ;)


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Reply #177 on: April 08, 2011, 09:20:14 pm
I need some math challenges. :cool:



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Reply #178 on: April 08, 2011, 09:41:22 pm
I need some math challenges. :cool:

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Reply #179 on: April 08, 2011, 10:10:57 pm
Wow, I look at these math solutions and I get all confused from the very beginning.  :lol:



 


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