Requirment to be off duty to participate in legal events?

[Janar]

Cops should be allowed to participate in legal events, And even Illegal if they want cause IT IS RP, There are cops that street race and do other shit cause there corrupt.

Cops participating in illegal event - RP??
I think, that this is not RP.

[Omri]

ARPD is not the thing it was back in the days .

[Gimli]

ARPD is not the thing it was back in the days .

ARPD was nothing back in the days..

[Merc]

Giac your mixing IC and OOC and mixing it all up into 1 event for everyone. I disagree with that idea and I guess many others do to.

I come to the server to roleplay, not to do some OOC events.

[Inkognito]

I don't know. If there is a boxing event, it's almost impossible to win it if you are a cop. Because if you kill 3 players, you will be kicked for killing not wanted. And they can take advantage after event arresting the winner who killed anyone. To go off duty to partake is better for them - noone will complain against them, they will not be auto-warned by a server.

[Caltson]

I don't support the idea at all..

I never saw a Officer taking part in a Destruction Derby while on duty in real life.
Why would we do it here?

/duty is supposed for duty related things, Why do you want to be officer anyways?
Just go off duty and take part isn't that time wasting, is it?

[Bounce]

Cops participating in illegal event - RP??
I think, that this is not RP.

Well, I wouldn't call it non-rp, but non-realistic.
Basically, I now disagree with the idea after reading all the point pointed out.

[Pancher]

I dong agree about ur opinion while mention cops..

There is diffrent reasons why we have put such a guide line for cops GiacJr.. It's not to force people, they are free to be on duty, no one requier them to be on duty..
WHy should all  cops be at one of ur none rp events on a roof top where u teleport everyone for a DD? If they want to partake go off duty or do the the job u self choosed to take when u went on duty.. It doesnt take u long time to go off...

Also as mention before there is some scripted issues that cos problems for cops like 3 kills = kick or as other can see if a cop kills a suspect in event the suspect loses cash and the cop gain cash which shouldent happen atm if u just kill an other suspect or citizen..

Also when ur on duty u should do ur work, not fool around and race or so on..

Also whats makes an event like an "Goverment event" or and "Legal event"?

[Legolas]

You are wrong. We never suported this idea "no cops on events". Did you saw Ronnel, RON or even me, on some kind of event that we do... that we say "NO cops allowed" ??? And noone is against it. No cops on event its against rules ??? When other admins say, say no cops when they organize... thats the rules, and all agreed. Whats wrong with you all ??? All server rules are on our official site... nothin more nothin less. Destruction derby and other kind off events, whats  wrong if someone will come in cop/cadet skin ? They are made for fun, and just for fun. Whats the difference if he come in cop skin or biker ?

[Wayne]

While you are on duty your objective is: serve the law well.
It's very polite accept cops in event.. but.. while on duty, its a bit harsh.
Cops on duty needs to be working..
But.. i am not against accepting cops in events..
but, i do not recomend. It is recomended going on events offduty
ex. if you accidentaly kill bug someone.. you may get warned, even lose cash or even get kicked.

[rJCaiG]

Okay, here's the thing.
My events are not DM events.
I do Mini DD's, king of the hill, running races, swimming races, drag races in SF, all kinds of things, and I couldn't give two shits what skin you're on - if you want to participate, you are free to do so, wether you're some new person with the hobo skin or Hank on duty, i do not care. Nobody should, this server is to have fun on. Non rp? Pfft, we are here to have fun, not compare everything to real life.
I know a lot of people will and are coming down on my thoughts harshly, but think about it - Pancher, you, as a dpt. chief, are not allowed to be a criminal anyway - and you almost always do cop work, events or non events. The occasion that you are off duty, I know you come in events sometimes. You enjoy the events. I do not see why people should need to go all the way to LSPD...go off duty..then go to SF or LV to get a decent car, when a cop car would have been fine and really, who cares?
This is not exactly as real life. When the Argonath Government attempts to get everyone to join in and have some fun, put some more money out there for people to be exchanging and giving people jobs for the money, it does not matter what skin you are...

[Pancher]

Agent/Legolas i never mention u, Ron or Ronnel said no cops allowed at event, neither did i.. I never said be cop and partaking in event is against any rule..

Also if i have been spotted on duty as cop i have been working as security as we advise cops to do, also shows admins present since there is always alot of reports incomming to admins from thoose areas...

Yes, i can be a criminal GiacJr

I think i wasent clear what i wrote above or u didt read it. There is some scripted issuse as cop on duty in event. what ever event it is.. People dies in event which aint the meaning but happens while cars blew up, hav u as cop before tuched them u get warned cos u "killed" them even if u actuallt didt.. 3 warnings as u get in current script as cop while killing an citzen even if it aint ur attention u get warn, 3 warnings reults in auto kick which means u get's DQ due "rejoining" Also u can gain cash if an guy accidently killed an other guy and cops accidently killed the suspected guy cos he earlier touched the guy long time before... Cop gets cash and criminal loses..
 Thats how script work atm.. u touch., last one touched a guy and he dies (not all the time) the last guy get auto sus or get's an award (cash) for kiilled suspect..

[Frederick]

There is basically two sides to this opinion, and they're basically conflicting with each other.

Yes, this is a game, and yes, we are meant to have fun.  We should not have to be told what to do in a game, as it does not necessarily affect our real life, and games were initially invented for fun if I'm correct.  We cannot just stop that tradition.  Gaming has taken the world to a whole new level, it's like a form of communication, relaxation, and a home away from real life problems.  We should not have any fights going on in a game, because let's face it, it's not real life.  Just because someone beat you in a game or you just can't compete with them, you shouldn't get angry.  Just have fun, play all you want, and learn from it.  So, yes, I agree we should not always be told what to do, as it is meant for fun, and not like a real life organisation.

On the second hand, this is a roleplay server.  We are supposed to act in-game as we would be in real life.  However, 'Argonath RPG' is rather famous in my eyes, for allowing it's players to roleplay hardcore, or loosely.  So, there isn't much of a conflict between my last paragraph and this one, however, it still is a conflict.  In real life, you wouldn't see police officers, on duty, showing up at legal races, destruction derbies, or any other such event, to take part.  They may show up as a form of security for the event, rather than being one of the contenders.

However, besides those two points, I strongly agree that anyone who is on duty (law enforcement) should not partake in an illegal event.  They can only do so if roleplaying the character of a corrupt officer, however, sooner or later he will be punished for his actions by a higher rank, or most likely fired from the force.

That is my view on the situation, and the way I see it, is if you want to partake in an event while on duty, you should do it Out Of Characterly.  However, that wouldn't make much sense, so just bypass that previous sentence.

[CBFasi]

I do not like that people are being FORCED off duty, just to participate in a LEGAL GOVERNMENT EVENT, which is ORGANISED AND FUNDED BY THE GOVERNMENT.

All cops, feel free to go on duty and participate in events. This is not a diplomacy, you cannot be forced into a different skin just to go in an event. I know this topic will cause a shitstorm. I know a lot of people think it's 'common sense'.

If you want to disobey SAPD then yes go to events and participate but be sure SAPD WILL REACT loss of rank WILL take place if caught

If you on duty your working..
Not participating in an event..

If your at an event as a cop your are there to provide law enforcement, hence often you will see police doing security duty.
If you participating you cannot do your job..

I do not support it cause if all cops will go to an event then who will chase criminals? who will give them a ticket for speeding?
When you are police then you should consertate on police work not on fun.Can police go to events on duty IRL? No they got more important things to do.

My exact point.

As far as every cop being at a event, how the hell is it different when some ARPD officer takes every cop into the woods for "training"?
It's not,

If in training with other cops its TRAINING, not an event, and we never take ALL online cops on training..

The town is full of criminals and half the time they dont do there job anyway

So you dont want cops to train yet you point out they need it.  Oh yes THANKS FOR THE INSULT..

they sit infront of LSPD bad guying about wether you parked correctly or not.

I think you will find that is admins who are on police duty too as without that they cannot see cops abusing as they cannot see suspect texts etc..  Yet again an insult aimed in this case at SAPD and ADMINS.

Due to the way cops are scripted they can get major disadvantage if they particpate such as getting kicked for too many kills, and even worse if your an admin its instant, and can loose your rights, warnings as admin & cop is nasty (thanks to auto warnings!)

This ruling is SAPD/ARPD and applies to all onduty cops, including freecops.

This might now be changed as I see a large amount of complaint against it, but not really from cops, just event organisers, and yet I can remember being told to go offduty many times a year ago when I wanted to take part in events..

Review will be by end of today.
I will be reviewing this ruling from all that has been said, I still say you on cop job your at work.. but with all the negative response legal events might get allowed

[Proxan]

Agent/Legolas i never mention u, Ron or Ronnel said no cops allowed at event, neither did i.. I never said be cop and partaking in event is against any rule..

Also if i have been spotted on duty as cop i have been working as security as we advise cops to do, also shows admins present since there is always alot of reports incomming to admins from thoose areas...

Yes, i can be a criminal GiacJr

I think i wasent clear what i wrote above or u didt read it. There is some scripted issuse as cop on duty in event. what ever event it is.. People dies in event which aint the meaning but happens while cars blew up, hav u as cop before tuched them u get warned cos u "killed" them even if u actuallt didt.. 3 warnings as u get in current script as cop while killing an citzen even if it aint ur attention u get warn, 3 warnings reults in auto kick which means u get's DQ due "rejoining" Also u can gain cash if an guy accidently killed an other guy and cops accidently killed the suspected guy cos he earlier touched the guy long time before... Cop gets cash and criminal loses..
 Thats how script work atm.. u touch., last one touched a guy and he dies (not all the time) the last guy get auto sus or get's an award (cash) for kiilled suspect..

Thats why I dont allow cops in my FC because they will get kicked if they kill 3...