From the eyes of a new player, freecop

[Voodoo]

Yes, some of the regular players actually take advantage of their status (senior in the community) and admins trust them more, this way they avoid freecops' suspection.

Exactly what I was thinking. Cause they are senior, better known than freecops (some freecops, most), and mostly they would be the side of the victim, cause more people will believe that they are older in the server, means they are "likely" to say the truth.

[Bianconeri]

most of times the officers and + are right,
and i dont know any who abuses that while saying abuse

and @ legend some post back

shit means shit back, strange,
you blame everyone that freecops are abuser?
we(all none freecops in Argonath) cause them to abuse?
thats nonsense, a freecop is an abuser or not an abuser,
and he wont change in it, well not in the bad way,

so dont put the blame on the other players, the blame is at the freecops,
they abuse, and we dont make them abuse(im talking to abuser freecops, not the good ones)

if you abuse you will probably be warned and told about rules(helped)
but if you continue abusing then you will be called noob yes


so conclusion of all of the topic:

-dont blame all freecops for mistakes of others, some freecops are really good RPers
-dont blame others for making them abuse

[Tovenaarke]

Once again I will say it - Call for shit and you will recieve shit! How do you know that those freecops were not already provoked, called noobs and even deathmatched by other players?
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Nice words... and in 95% of the cases true...

Exactly what I was thinking. Cause they are senior, better known than freecops (some freecops, most), and mostly they would be the side of the victim, cause more people will believe that they are older in the server, means they are "likely" to say the truth.

This players must received a note at least, from higher ranked officers (chief/dep. chief).

Don't forget one rule of Argo:
Respect A L L players!

You'll see, we can do better!

[Niall]

Everything that happens and all of their actions are provoked by a reason or a person, do not forget that!

I disagree, they could be shooting you for no reason if they do not know the rules - how to ask surrender, problems in real life and take out on player and a plethora of other reasons. I don't think you can sum up their reason to break rules a lot of the time because there are so many reasons and provocation is not the only one. They do get provoked sometimes - But it's not always the reason in a lot of the cases i see, in my opinion.

I agree with most of your points though and agree some of them, a lot of Freecops can roleplay very well. And i also hate these two things:

- People prejudging whole groups because of the bad behavior of some.
- People who have been here longer  and consider themselves as 'Veterans' acting as if new players are inferior to them, and treat them like shit.

But i agree with magnus that a lot of the times certain freecops act like idiots and abuse and DM. But in these cases i would rather see people report and complain about the Freecop involved rather than rant on the mainchat about Freecops as a whole, saying things like 'Freecops are noobs' 'Fucking freecops abusers'.

Nice words... and in 95% of the cases true...

Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything. 14% of people know that.
~ Homer Simpson

:P

[Bianconeri]

i gotta agree to Niall,
about his 2 points he made,

and als the disagree on Legend:
all actions of them are provoked by someone,
which means every time someone abuses its because someone
did something to that guy,

ever thought that not all players are good? that it also comes from themselves,
legend lays the button to much at the ''bad'' other players,
like they do it all wrong, and freecops do everything good
 

[The_Wolf]

i gotta agree to Niall,
about his 2 points he made,

and als the disagree on Legend:
all actions of them are provoked by someone,
which means every time someone abuses its because someone
did something to that guy,

ever thought that not all players are good? that it also comes from themselves,
legend lays the button to much at the ''bad'' other players,
like they do it all wrong, and freecops do everything good
 

If a certain freecop or new player abuses, deathmatches and acts like an idiot on server - he will get called a noob, a fucker, a rulebreaker and etcetera. BUT if you try explaining to him what he has done wRONg and how he can correct himself and get accepted to the server, I am almost sure that next time he would not do that!

Instead of only complaining and calling the guys idiots, you can explain to them what is wrong and what is correct, how to do what and why. I was an so called "idiot" when I started playing on Argonath, but then came Aragorn and Carhartt and explained me all about being a cop... Look at me now, am I an abusive deathmatching freecop? No...

There are cases that deathmatchng is NOT provoked by regular players, but those cases are not seen alot in server. If you start calling a freecop noob and shouting him in PM instead of explaning him the rules, he will come back and shoot your ass, if smarter - suspect you first and then shoot your ass. So I cannot understand what you are arguing about here.
Indeed there are cases where freecops don't even want to learn, but in those cases admins get involved and clear the air up, but those cases are not a lot, believe me...

[Pancher]

Yes, some of the regular players actually take advantage of their status (senior in the community) and admins trust them more, this way they avoid freecops' suspection.

This is soo true..

[Gandalf]

Anyone who becomes a freecop already has found how to enter the PD and go on duty. If someone explained that to them, they might take the courtesy to explain some simple rules.

[Bianconeri]

if i help someone to get on duty, i always tell the ARPD site too,
for all rules of the cop work



and today i got busted also :P, an officer acted like he was new
to see if freecops really get seen as dirt, he asked me for help,
he really did it good, acting like not knowing /l
then you really dont look after some officers who tries to test you,
well i never think of players that they are anyway.

i helped him though :P

[Mangus]

It's not about blaming anyone, what do you expect?

Someone that never knew how to RP, and that played GTA SA in Singeplayer, where you most of the time drive around and kill people, comes on Argonath. He writes in mainchat "How to be a cop?", and someone answers "Go to a Police Station, go down to the cells and type /duty. He says "Thanks". When he after time finds a Police Station, LSPD for example, since alot of people often stand there, he enters it, runs around inside it and somehow get on duty. "Cool, I got deagle now". He walks outside. He finds a HPV-1000 and hops on it. He sees that alot of other cops is chasing a guy with orange name, so he follows him. After some time, the guy with the orange name stops, gets out from the car, and starts running. Guys with darkblue names shoots after him. The guy with the orange name suddenly stops, and puts his hands in the air. The new cop shoots him in the head with the deagle, and he gets 300$. "Nice!" he thinks. He goes on with killing every other guy (or trying) that has an orange name. After some time, he gets warned and kicked for killing surrendered suspects. This was maybe three-four hours after he joined Argonath. He wonders what he did wrong, so he rejoins and asks the admin that kicked him what he did wrong. He explains it, and the freecop gets it.


This is exactly what happened when I joined Argonath the first time. The suspects I killed when being surrendered got pissed. The Officers that spent long time chasing the suspects and looking forward to RP jailing and interrogating the suspect got pissed. People that needed help from the admin that spent time explaining for me what to do didn't get admin help fast, and they got pissed at the admins.

See? Just because I could be a cop with practicly free weapons without having a clue about anything, I both pissed people that was RPing off, and made the admin that helped me spend time explaining alot of things.

There is a really easy way to prevent this. Make it impossible to join in as a freecop as soon as you join the server, and that you have to sign up for being a cadet before you can start chasing criminals. This will also make sure that you read and understand the rules of the server.


Thanks for reading,

Marco Stracci

[Thomas 'Leroy' Crof]

I personally give all freecops a chance, but when I told them not to shoot surrendered, standing still suspects etc and they still do it... You can guess what, I'll ignore them for a while. And sometimes I kinda flip a little to freecops (when they did something against ARPD rules/guides), but just when... Let's say in some cases.

[MarioRinarri]

That is the problem, instead of actually telling people what they should do as cops, some people just say "/enter, then do /duty in a small room on your left". And when those new cops start shooting at them, they just yell: "Aaah, another DMer, ban him! He can't RP!" ...

[EliteTerm]

Why not have some arpd officers wait around at lspd and offer to help these freecops with some basic training, to get them started.

[DHR.Mike]

Wel the Problem i always have with Freecops who are new The do not Listen and if you Trie to stop them the wil shoot at you it happend to me so many times .....

[Bianconeri]

Why not have some arpd officers wait around at lspd and offer to help these freecops with some basic training, to get them started.

do you think we got nothing better to do then stand in front of LSPD?
dont understand me wrong, we do help them,
but if we are at LSPD only, we wont just stand there wait for new ppl


@DHR

yeah thats right,
but the ppl in this topic seems to think that all freecops are good, and all others are bad,
they do everything good, its us who makes them bad