From the eyes of a new player, freecop

[The_Wolf]

yeah thats right,
but the ppl in this topic seems to think that all freecops are good, and all others are bad,
they do everything good, its us who makes them bad

No, I am afraid you undertsood me wrong. I never said that all of them are good, but the thing is that MOST of their actions are being provoked by other people's behavior towards them and that's what you should understand.

They are people and players just like you are, so you must respect this fact and treat them as ones. If you would do that, I am very sure you'd have less problems with them. Same goes for all SA:MP players...

[CBFasi]

Anyone who becomes a freecop already has found how to enter the PD and go on duty. If someone explained that to them, they might take the courtesy to explain some simple rules.

This is a known issue and I hope to try and encourage this from SAPD officers, and also any other players who are willing to listen...

Even a criminal can be a good help to a new cop... after all we were ALL new once ! (July 2007!)

[Fabio]

... after all we were ALL new once ! (July 2007!)

This is what I was telling a guy the other day, he said get rid of freecops, and new players, and I told him, you were once a new player, how would you feel if you were not allowed to do anything.

[Bianconeri]

No, I am afraid you undertsood me wrong. I never said that all of them are good, but the thing is that MOST of their actions are being provoked by other people's behavior towards them and that's what you should understand.

They are people and players just like you are, so you must respect this fact and treat them as ones. If you would do that, I am very sure you'd have less problems with them. Same goes for all SA:MP players...

oke then, for me it looks like you just act like all freecops are good


being a good or a bad cop how do ppl get to one of those sides?
the ppl who really want to RP, and also as cop they do there best and are the good cops

the ppl who arent actually RPers, and also not very interested as cop are the bad cops,
and this isnt brought by others,
its in them already, you dont change from very interested cop into a monster for us all
ppl wont change that big because of that.

although it is right that flaming them will or increase there abuse,
or lower there good playing, but that doesnt got a that big influence as said in here


if you see someone new as cop you can see within a day if he will become a good cop,
a good cop shows interest, and is really willing to listen and learn,
and if its an abuser you will see very fast, coming with things like: lets hunt them down!


and as CBF said:
ofc we try to encourage that behaviour, but it doesnt have to come from our side alone,
the freecop side should do there best and listen also,
sometimes you are shouting at a guy for half an hour how to enter,you say type /enter
but he just doesnt get it,
at that moments you get really pissed off, and will just walk away
and yes this has happened to me before

[JDC]

As an FBI Agent (and trial moderator... though that doesnt change a thing), I try to help any Freecop who comes to me and asks me for help. I dont look down on Freecops at all, since when I was still an SAPD Cadet I encountered really good Freecops like Pixy, Smey, and Rint_Daw.

It is very rare I encounter freecops who willingly steal FBI Ranchers even after being told they are not supposed to use them or turn deaf ears to the rules or DM Officers.


The problem here is that people remember the 3 out of 100 times when the freecop abused instead of the 97 times when the freecop was trying to learn and become a good cop, this is especially true with regular players!

[Pandalink]

I never really got any issues with freecops..
If ever I was abused by one (prior to being an admin), then I'd shoot them in the head and run away. People who cry abuse are irritating as hell, especially those who probably were actually committing a crime.

[Bianconeri]

@JDC's big message

thats true yes, although freecops abuse more then you say there,
but ppl do remember the bad things, but the good things are forgotten fast

@panda

if you say abuse when it really is abuse then i can understand,
but yeah when they cry abuse when they really did a crime, then its so annoying,
and there are enough ppl who do that,
luckily most admins dont unsus them if its clearly not abuse, some do though

[The_Wolf]

@JDC's big message

thats true yes, although freecops abuse more then you say there,
but ppl do remember the bad things, but the good things are forgotten fast

Is this why you keep arguing in this topic.. ?
You want to make freecops look like abusers, but are you actually forgetting they are new players or something?
Abusers, abusers, bowrocks. Most of the freecops use the /su command a lot, because nobody told them what else they can use and how could they use it.

Also, I have NEVER seen a freecop that is not interested in playing as he should after I explained him the rules, guides and what he should do. I usually even patrolled with freecops before and told them how to manage diffrent situation, I never experienced a player who did not listen to me (for like more than a year). So I don't know how you can prove your point that most freecops don't want to listen, I think that's not true.

[Tovenaarke]

Why not have some arpd officers wait around at lspd and offer to help these freecops with some basic training, to get them started.

I love that idea!

@ JDC big message: Eum... not 100% true. But I agree on he fact that you can remember 'bad things' better than 'good stuff', because the 'Good stuff' is 'normal'... 

[Bianconeri]

@legend

no thats not it, i dont want to make them look bad,
since they are the future in the ARPD
its just that you show them all as great players

and i also tell them all the guides first, i help them when i can,
and also i agreed with JDC's message which said 10/100 are bad,
but that gets remembered,
so no i dont think most are abusers

and i have had it multiple times, you help a new cop how to do it good,
and later he gets warned/kicked/banned for copabuse

[Bianconeri]

mmm sadly enough i have encounterd 1 of the bad boys today,
carjacking and stealing, and then dumping your car all around the city and takes civil car then,
shooting on other cops, flaming other cops, lieing

although i have also seen a promosing one

[charz]

Hmm..Legend...i think that is not we treat Freecop/New player......This is the problem we treat a person..

Someone is just being nice to higher rank . Some not...As u said before, there is still someon who try to help ..and there is still a part being rude, That's what we called Asslicker.

I don't see any Problem with that, or i should say that is not a big deal.

Coz, Even IRl, u will be (bullyed),  or treated unfairly.That is some kind of weakness of human.

You are not higher than me, so i can order , and disrespect you ..  You Must listen to me

TBH I do think that, or even do that , i doubt if anyone of you don't . Maybe it show my selfishness, but i think that is nature habbit for human

[Zun_Callison]

This is exactly why I left.

[Malcolm]

Now I haven't bothered to read everything..

Freecops has been shaped by regular players, simple as that.

[Bianconeri]

* Bianconeri thinks about what is said above

shaped by regulars, so to be exact you mean that all bad things of a freecop,
are brought to him by regulars,
so you are also saying rulebreakers/abusers dont exist,
since when they come they are great cops, but once they see a regular,
they turn into big mad beasts abusing all on there path?