Street Life | The Rule on Fights

[James_Hunter]

Street Life
Roleplay discussion


Heya.

I was looking over a few forum threads, namely criminal groups and there is some down hearted discussion on some pages about "provoking" in the world of Mafia organizations and Gang hoods, I would like to put forward my thoughts about this rule or guideline that administrators are being told to enforce. Let me say that first of all, roleplay can be done without fighting - yeah that's right, but that doesn't mean it should be stamped out completely, or that gangs should simply have to restrict themselves to non-aggressively roleplaying all the time.

I'll give you an situation to attempt to illuminate the point i'm trying to get to;
(Character names are made up)

[GSF]Smoke slowly drives towards his gangs hood, a couple blocks away.
Mark_Corleone cocks his kalashkinov and prepares to ambush the gangster.
[GSF]Smoke passes an allyway and two men wielding automatic weapons can be seen.
Mark_Corleone opens fire on the vehicle and manages to make Smoke loose control of the vehicle.
[GSF]Smoke runs to cover and shouts: "What the f**k man!?"
Mark_Corleone replys: "Thought you'd get away with just taking all the money, eh ass hole?!"
[GSF]Smoke angrily shouts back: "Screw you Corleone, you would of took the cash and shot me, I know your game!"
A gun fight erupts causing the police to arrive...

The example there is to show that even if the point is unclear at first, there could be a very legitamate reason to assault a gang member, roleplay shoot-outs are thrilling, they create tension when two neutral or rival gangs are around each other, I understand the fact of not going from hood to mansion making raids all the time because its your rival, but if the other gang does something quiet clearly thought out such as a drug deal where the other mafia/gang screws them over, a fight should be legitimate.

You might think it would be to hard to monitor, but hey - what do you want? Gang members knitting infront of their homes? It's rediculous - they need to be cut some slack and benefit of the doubt, for those of you that thing DM happens 24/7 if this rule is lifted you are entirely wrong, you get one large fight maybe... once a week. So i'm saying, fine ok keep that rule that limits the fighting but don't stamp it out completely, permit fights if they can clearly be seen as roleplay situations and not a random drive by. What are your opinions and thoughts guys?

[MarioRinarri]

I agree, but nothing is going to be changed..
That is my emphatic opinion.

[The_Wolf]

I have to agree with you, James.
Thought in that example you have given, while Mark replies to Smoke, he'd be shot already if that's on Argonath.

Problem I see with gangs and mafia roleplay is that there is no business and drugs roleplay. I strictly dislike this, as this is mostly what mafias are doing: They sell drugs, hookers and weapons, trying to take over a certain area or a whole district.
Gangs, on the other side, are more likely trying to rob, steal and do things for fun and for living, you must stick to that. Gang + mafia going and atacking another mafia + gang is not correct in my opinion, what is correct is:
Mafia members go to a gang's terrotory (well prepared ofcourse) and make them a "proposition they cannot refuse". They start a drug business or some other thing, where the gang are the direct distributors and the mafia are the gang's providers.

In my eyes, mafia roleplay on server (gang ones too) should be moved to a further level, not just random provoking and shoot-outs all the time between certain mafias + gangs, it should be more likely diplomatic relations and business being done. It would be a lot more interesting in my opinion, some people should try and give it a shot...

[charz]

Strongly agree with James, but the thing is....Poeple, [GSF]Smoke , in ur example, Wiill just /p hey, Mark dming!!!!! jesus, i lost my weapoN!!!

true, that can be a great rp ,but even admin, will freeze Mark_Corleone ASAP , and /kick , /warn the "DMER"

ahh, even the rule is clear, dmer/rper may hard to determine
admin can't observe the rp from start to  the end.

[charz]

 

In my eyes, mafia roleplay on server (gang ones too) should be moved to a further level, not just random provoking and shoot-outs all the time between certain mafias + gangs, it should be more likely diplomatic relations and business being done. It would be a lot more interesting in my opinion, some people should try and give it a shot...

In fact, i got an idea of gang/mafia, but it will be impossbile ..


Mafia, Gang, Triad.   Then , triad got loads of money, Gang can buy Heavy weapon which include AK, Combat, sniper ....
Mafia, can grow weed,many hideouts (works in rs4)


Then, If triad want to rob, he must contact gang to buy weapon. 

IF gang need weed, he can trade with Mafia <Good trading>  

Even more, Gang can ask for mafia hideout if they need.
And, if citizen need weapon, he can buy deagle/shortgun/9mm/milee in weapon shop, but for combat/MP5, he must ask a triad member for that.
May be wrong topic, but since knowing it will never work , I just want to share my view.
 

[Julian]

Problem I see with gangs and mafia roleplay is that there is no business and drugs roleplay. I strictly dislike this, as this is mostly what mafias are doing: They sell drugs, hookers and weapons, trying to take over a certain area or a whole district.

Yes, I thought so too.

One of the reasons we started The Luvineri Mafia, of course we use guns and such, but we're a mafia specialized on Drugs. We sell weed, heroin and we sell RP drugs too, and RP smuggling drugs from SF to LS and making Drugs in the Crack Lab in Doherty in SF. In RS4 I guess we can sell weapons too. 

[Bianconeri]

i have also said this too in those sorts of topics,
things as gangwar are also RP,
do you think the gangs in real life are like little girls doing nothing,
NO, they fight every week, with big gun fights,
so i really hate that Argonath takes this great RP out of it.

its good RP, gives cops work, medics work, and w/e more

and as legend also said:
mafia should also do more good gang RP,
taking hookers in the hood, dealing drugs around,
having a bizz(illegal or not)
and on that way earn money for weapons to guard there hood,
and in case other gangs try to take over you defend the hood

[James_Hunter]

Roleplay can take place in gunfights as well, you just need to make sure that you're behind decent cover before you type a sentence, or have someone covering your arse; this is how the SWAT team often shout warnings to suspects refusing to surrender.

[Davey_Rose]

You can take always cover like James said.

[Pandalink]

I like fighting, why else did I make a criminal group?
If you're going to commit crime, you're going to end up having large scale conflicts. Face it.

Gunfights are roleplay, the reason people dislike them is because they see any fighting as DM, which if of course completely retarded on their part.

[hell1989]

Vu4eCa take a trip to San Fierro, as Los Santos is the same old, same old.

With Corleone, Stracci, Cems - Los Santos, you will of course see same actions.

Gvardia has a idea for SF, its to create a whole new Mafia RP there and it has already begun with Leone and Luvineri. We are the three big powers in SF, we have drug deals, meetings about realizations and much more. Gvardia specializes in Kidnaps..as we have ALL of the top men in the business.

I understand what you are trying to say James, more RP in a shootout, people actually shouting out at each other. Now many times this has occurred with me and my Mafia friends. Once, we were suspect at Willowfield Ammu, some SAPD arived and a shootout occured, BUT we hid behind cars, which is happening a lot now days. We shouted out "You will never take us alive!" or "Screw the SAPD!"

I think ALL players should value their lifes more..a LOT more, I want to see no more F.B.I or SAPD running at me with Tec9 spraying and ruining the RP of a shootout. I understand flank maneuvers can occur, but spraying around tec9/Uzi is plain NonRP.

Now James perhaps we will meet again in-game, we will see what happens as Gvardia will have tactical trainings.

[The_Wolf]

Vu4eCa take a trip to San Fierro, as Los Santos is the same old, same old.

With Corleone, Stracci, Cems - Los Santos, you will of course see same actions.

It was exactly my idea with the Belov organization. And it was aproved by many people, I recruited some brilliant roleplayers and I was ready to push the mafia roleplay on Argonath to a whole new level, but unfortunately some problems appeared and I had to close it and abandon my goals.

However, I will check what your family is doing. But I can still mostly see the same, kidnappings and shoot-outs with other gangs, which is not the only possibilities for roleplay. You know, something new is always good, especialy if people are used to doing the same over and over again.

[Xeuq]

Bloods vs Cripz <<< That was good rp.

[BKP]

Bump.
Something that's seems to be missing today.

[Julian]

Some time last week me and my members had trouble with Cems, and there was a gunfight after a small talk. Noone of us or Cems died, the cops showed up and we all escaped. Like half an hour later, I gathered some homies to get back at the Cems, that kept hanging in our hood, so we did a drive-by on them and killed 2 of them and someone of them shouted in main chat 'Stop f**king Dming ffs'. HOW THE F**K is that DMing? We had a reason, getting back at those that shot at us, cause they didn't kill us...

If you are a member of a street gang and get conflicts with another gang, what the hell do you expect? You need to watch your back every min.
You never know when an enemy gang is coming to kill you, at least in real life.
However, the drive-by ended up with us escaping and some admin jailed one of my homies for DMing. That was annoying as f**k, just because you shoot at someone without having to walk up and talk to them before firing is DM?

Seems like many people don't know the difference between DMing and RP shooting with a reason. I won't take any shit from noone about me killing someone and that person says it's DM, but it's not, cause I wouldn't just go kill someone in another gang for no reason. This includes the admins, as you see above, the admin didn't know if it was DM or not. I'm not saying the admins don't do their work well, but it seemed like some of them didn't know what was DM and what was not, cause the situation I stated above was all RP.

I like fighting, why else did I make a criminal group?
If you're going to commit crime, you're going to end up having large scale conflicts. Face it.

Gunfights are roleplay, the reason people dislike them is because they see any fighting as DM, which if of course completely retarded on their part.

Exacly.