Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?

[Pandalink]

Old Argonath RPG had almost only ONE rule for all servers - respect our players... No any rules about freecops shit or about OOC or IC shit etc... That was the golden age of Argonath when players were not bringing a shit from other RPG servers to ruin our world...

This statement wins, I totally agree. People are always so confused when they are going "(( Oh, this is OOC or something blah ))" and I just go right ahead and talk without those weird tags. Why are you confused? Don't you have a brain to figure out that "haha I love paramore" clearly isn't in roleplay - just chatting with friends?

Nowadays Argonath's community demands new rules more and more, that causes arguing between players who broke the rules and who did not...

That is true actually, now people are trying to bring in weird rules about bunnyhopping and not being allowed to speed and whatever.. what are these? Why are they hurting you - because they're "non-rp"?? What does that even mean? 2 years ago, "non-rp" wasn't ever, ever said on Argonath. Nobody moaned "you are nonrp" because there wasn't such a thing.

The community which is now is not the same as the community 2-3 years ago...

I agree, 2-3 years ago we didn't have the rubbish from other servers like OOC/IC and whatever else that just causes complaining and confusion, and flaming excuses such as "its IC, I can flame him" which is just silly.

What was the community of Argonath a way before? Strong... We did not afraid to face a deathmatchers... We had a great fighting skills ourselves...

Thats true actually, I totally remember that . If a DMer came, we just killed them and then had fun running from police. Now, people kill the DMer and cry "admin admin unsus me self defense". Damn, if you are so money hungry that 1k loss to you is death then surrender for like 2 minutes in jail..

You are trying to solve your problems by administration, moaning about every shit, which can be solved even by simple smile "Man you are nuts "...

Thats true, also.

Administration was a friend to players in old times... As there were less moaners then nowadays admins had a lot of time to play together with players, and there was no such a big distance as it is now...

Its such a shame when I see people moaning about little things that don't even matter. This guy had about 130k, and I beat him to a hit and got the money. He was sad, so I gave him 4k of the 20k I got, and then he swore at me for not giving him 5. If I wasn't an admin, he probably would've reported me and wasted the admins time with something random.

People, who are the same age as you, who came to Argonath RPG and SA:MP to have fun and enjoy with play as you - nowadays sit with the heavy hearts trying to help as much as they can... And getting in their faces flame and shit...

Remember everyone, I was once a player too and I am not even 18, so I nearly the same age as a lot of you.
I've learnt to shake off random flame when I know I haven't done wrong, but a lot of people haven't managed to yet, and it can affect one very badly. Think that when you moan and flame, you are shouting at just another person behind a computer, who has personality and feelings too..

They say things like "where was the roleplay, SWAT? You came in and shot us without asking surrender"

Thats why when SWAT come to kill Araatus, we make sure we never lose >: D.
If you get SWAT on you, expect to die without being asked "please criminal surrender..." while you shoot at them.

I went on another server recently which claimed to be "RPG mode" to see how they did things. I enter and realise something...it's not like Argonath at all. Instead of being a civilian by default, you pick your job at the start. It was basically team-based and a lot of the "roleplay" was just team deathmatch with the /me command. Did they complain whenever they died or lost in other fights? No, they were all having fun, even laughing about how they scored an epic fail against the SWAT team

It sounds a lot like RS2, David. In fact - it was probably the same base script (PEN1 LS).

They didn't have specific ways of making money either. In fact, money was practically spawned whenever you needed it. People didn't care about money at all...

Yes, yes and yes again! Money was just everywhere - and I bet nobody was moaning "admin admin refund 10k for weapons". I bet they went "damn I died, lets go get more guns with my millions".
Back in RS2 money was found in MOLE. Perhaps something similar (i.e. creating money from server for doing jobs - multiple player ones earn more though) could be added to RS4?

In Argonath, people only care about money (vast majority, it used to be a small handful...of course there are still people who love roleplay the most) because it's hard to get it and having it enables you to do everything...

I can't agree more. Now that I have loads of money, I can just happily sit back and play. When people are low on cash, getting killed does detriment you a lot (you can't enter businesses, you can't buy food, etcetc).

People suggest ideas all the time like "we want cops/criminals/civilians to have this" and some of these new features were added. You would think that people would be happy...but no.

Well, a lot of people noticed that cops seemed to have more than criminals, which was the point of contention at the release. None of the ideas I suggested got in, I'll pose them in SA-MP ideas for later versions though.

They then say "admins here are terrible, if I were an admin I would answer all reports and help everyone" when they have no idea what it's like being an admin.

I remember thinking that, but when I became an admin I learnt that it just isn't viable to answer every single report. I try my best though.

It would be great if everyone can post here and say WHY they don't like the current situation and say WHAT they actually want, it would answer some questions

I'm just gonna speak for some people when I say: MOLE-alike missions. Money is happiness, sadly.
I realise this won't fix the whole attitude to the server issue, but it may solve some "refund me I died wtf dmer!!" people.

We all need to start somewhere, And i think that getting taxi´s and busses more active will Increase RP Massivly.

I'm afraid the point has been totally missed here. You cannot "increase roleplay". Roleplay is not an amount, in a jug or a box. You do not have levels of roleplay, at one end low and another end "leet, high" roleplay or something.
Cars are available for use for a reason. How will taxis and busses increase roleplay?
We want to steer as far away from the other RP servers as possible, they have played a major part in ruining people's attitudes here. The other servers go "oh we have taxis and busses so we are RP", which is just untrue. Locking all the cars just pisses people off. If you want to use a taxi, the ability is there if you want it. Argonath is about freedom of roleplay, I don't wanna have to catch a taxi or run across LS like on the other servers.



Basically, I try my hardest to make everybody happy. It just isn't possible to do that, so I find the best compromise I can. If people can't understand that "I didn't see it, sorry I can't act as admin" then maybe they should put themselves in my shoes, or the shoes of any other admin on this server.

And I agree with pretty much all of Aragorn's post. Terrible ideas from bullcrap "RP" servers have effectively ruined people's attitudes to roleplay over here, and made "oh you are non-rp" arguments appear out of nowhere.

I'll always remember one admin on MTA:VC...
"hey Panda, if you can kill the DMer, I'll punish him : D".
 

[Bilbo]

Amen.

[cDa]

My 2 cents about old days and now: im just shocked how "old" players react to new people, now a days its turned into " give us cash and gtfo noob" People have a "im a goodly rper" virus by the looks of it, and from my point of view, over 80% of these new guys you all so hate play much better than you "1337 rpers"
Why do people hate new guys?
I told this plenty of times ill tell it again: My first day on Argonath,July 2007.
I registrated,spawned as groove,saw lots of people talking walking around,having fun, i checked help for some commands and asked in main chat can anyone help a newbie( today if anyone asks this half server tells him no noobs here and just ignores him...), about 10 people sent me a pm asking how can i help. charger tped to me, showed me how i can heal,how to get other skins and how the server works in general. i played a bit and loged off. that evening i returned, said hi, people said hey,welcome back,just like im a old time regular.. I took a car drove around, saw /ad from fbi asking if any civilians needed a job, i replied, and they took me as undercover, i had my first role play, it was acting in a crime movie, i was suposed to buy drugs,was waiting in bad area, saw some guys go in house to rob it, than one came to me pointed knife and said "you didnt see us here"...wow... this place is awesome.. i liked how fbi works,decided to join them, got into accademy,had to work as cadet under senior officers(and in those days when cadet asked for senior officers help they came and helped, noone said gtfo out of car noob(like these days..))No one cared about cash...cash was just used for tuning cars and food... there were no fees, we role played a guy a door selling tickets,we sold roleplay drugs, we knew how to have fun.I had so much fun each day and thet kept me comming back, when i got accepted into admin team i decided its time to help others have as good time as i had,by giving my best to keep them safe... Today people forgot that this is a game,forgot how to have fun, today all its left is moeny and more of it, and people are respected bu the size of their wallets..This can be changed, and i sure hope people will realise when and where they took the wrong turn..

[Jonas_Jack]

I have idea to change whole argonath
Before joining the server,you will register at the site and do test of rp,have rp name,and admins must be more stronger about rp rules.If there rule breaker:Rammer,Carkiller,Leaving car at straight road,just ban them!
And if they pass the RP Test at the site,the admins these are going to check the tests will handle if the player will allowed to enter the server.

There many newbs that are entering the server,enjoying to break rules,and admins dont care about them when regulars player reports them.
Its well that the Adminisitration caring about hackers.
But its not enough.
Jonas.

[Pandalink]

Yea cDa I remember selling roleplay drugs, I always sold Aegis - but now if I did that people would be like "its not real drug I'm not paying for nothing".
Only a few people pay for Lasagne, also.

I have idea to change whole argonath
Before joining the server,you will register at the site and do test of rp,have rp name,and admins must be more stronger about rp rules.If there rule breaker:Rammer,Carkiller,Leaving car at straight road,just ban them!
And if they pass the RP Test at the site,the admins these are going to check the tests will handle if the player will allowed to enter the server.

Remember, sarcasm is easily lost on the internet - put /sarcasm at the end of posts which aren't serious, as this post clearly was not.

[Cutt3r]

I have idea to change whole argonath
Before joining the server,you will register at the site and do test of rp,have rp name,and admins must be more stronger about rp rules.If there rule breaker:Rammer,Carkiller,Leaving car at straight road,just ban them!
And if they pass the RP Test at the site,the admins these are going to check the tests will handle if the player will allowed to enter the server.

There many newbs that are entering the server,enjoying to break rules,and admins dont care about them when regulars player reports them.
Its well that the Adminisitration caring about hackers.
But its not enough.
Jonas.

My dear friend, you have totally missed the point of this topic.

Let me quote a line from one of Late Michael Jackson's amazing songs 'Man in the mirror'

"If you wanna make the world a better place, take a look at yourself and make the change" That, pretty much sums up what I have to say.

[Jonas_Jack]

I meant against rule breakers
but nvm...

[Pandalink]

Rulebreakers are not the issue, its the rising amount of rules.

[Matthew_Mcbride]

Also, Scripters took time out of their lives, their BUSY lives to script RS4 just to create a game for you to play on, I'm sorry but if you are not grateful for some one trying to make something specifically to provide you with entertainment, then you are very selfish, I give RS4 a thumbs up and anyone who complains about RS4 a thumbs down and a boot in the rear.

[Syn]

I have idea to change whole argonath
Before joining the server,you will register at the site and do test of rp,have rp name,and admins must be more stronger about rp rules.If there rule breaker:Rammer,Carkiller,Leaving car at straight road,just ban them!
And if they pass the RP Test at the site,the admins these are going to check the tests will handle if the player will allowed to enter the server.

There many newbs that are entering the server,enjoying to break rules,and admins dont care about them when regulars player reports them.
Its well that the Adminisitration caring about hackers.
But its not enough.
Jonas.

Instead of forcing them to do somethign when all they want to do is Play. TEACH them. I can Guaranty that they will surprise you. I have been Helping new people for a while now and it takes over most of my playing time. But that doesnt matter to me. If there are new people who are having fun and enjoying themselves on argonath then that is all that matters to me. I dont mind if i get to play only 5 minutes a day, Helping people is what i enjoy doing. Some people jsut need to stop saying "Give them a test before they are allowed to play" and Realise that RP is a skill that needs to be worked at. Everyone has to start that skill is a beginner and gradually learn more. This is increasingly difficult if all people do is say things like " You suck at RP" or "GTFO Noob" or "Get Lost freecops". But with a little help from someone who can spare the time will mean the world to them and Argonath as a whole. Thats what i believe anyway.

And as for the server not being the same. I agree, things have changed alot since 2.0. For example in 2.0 There was alot less complaining to do with vehciles. There used to be 2 Hydras, Available to the Army Skins which anyone could have. There used to be NRGS and Monster Trucks Available to anyone. These were one of the reasons i stayed in argonath. Theres nothign better on your first day there to meet 2 People who were willing to help you and then get in a monstertruck each and tear up the streets of LS while being chased by a load of cops. That was FUN. In my opinion, People take argonath to seriously. Its a Game people need to realise that if someone Rams you, its not the end of the world, If someone kills you. You loose a small amount of make believe cash that you would only use to buy more guns anyway.

 I agree something needs done. And as a player of Argonath i will do everything in my power to help make a change.

-Syn

[Vince]

One hell of a topic, that's all I can say. Really can't speak as I joined around late December of 07 and damn I can remember reading the main chat. I really was clueless, and I still love to tell my stories of how I met the people form long ago who are still around today (yes I'm an old man story teller )

How Austin taught me how to log in, Parox taught me what roleplay is and we had amazing rps, joining the police force, Luca, Nicholas, learning the official ropes from Pancher and cb, looking for respect from old players like Sarah, Wolfe, Panda, etc. Gaining close friends like Cane and Squeak. I can't speak like Giac, cDa, Panda, but I can sure say that it was really fun... and for some reason.. I honestly don't know how or why I can still "make" it fun, do things like above explained yet I wasn't even around.

I really think this topic opened people's eyes, if anything it sure opened mine.

[Pandalink]

There used to be 2 Hydras, Available to the Army Skins which anyone could have. There used to be NRGS and Monster Trucks Available to anyone. These were one of the reasons i stayed in argonath. Theres nothign better on your first day there to meet 2 People who were willing to help you and then get in a monstertruck each and tear up the streets of LS while being chased by a load of cops. That was FUN.

Quite a large chunk of my point in a nutshell right there.

[John_Vaughan]

Removed: overquote

AMEN to that post..

Yeah, Those old times were fun , Without PEN1 LS Scripts, We CAN Bring back the old times with RS4... This topic opened my eyes, So it will open a lot more.. If we stop the moaning together, and bring a friendly atmosphere, and delete all the shitty rules we all made up (ic/ooc and shit), We will bring Argo old times back..

And yeah, MOLE Missions would be COOL, Scripted events and fun events.. No one can moan to anyone "omg event host is corrupt!! i won!!!", It would help (imo) in bringing fun again to Argonath, Help in friendly atmosphere, Drop the constant moaning about everything, and help people with money, So there are no poor people

And this topic gave me a different point of view about Argonath.

[Boxy]

Argonath's Roleplay: 6/10
Argonath's Community: 9.5/10

I mostly come here for the community, filled with funny and occasionally good Role-players.  The Role-play isn't that great here, but it has it's spikes sometimes.  That said, if the community wasn't great at all, I wouldn't last here.

[Fabio]

This topic kind of somes up some of the problems I complain about.

Things like people complaining about Non-RP and such.