Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?

[Pandalink]

Sure... just don't cyr about getting tempbanned or banned 'unfair'.

So wait, are we allowed to (supposing I didn't freeze them as an admin, although I would) shoot a carjacker? D:

[Mafs]

So wait, are we allowed to (supposing I didn't freeze them as an admin, although I would) shoot a carjacker? D:

Nah.. he means that you can shoot them, but that you shouldn't moan if you get banned/tempbanned for it.

[Syn]

You shouldnt GET tempbanned for it tho. ITs Self defence. IF i was banned for shooting a carjacker well that would be it lol. Id hang up my Argonath underpants and leave.

But seriously. Idc if i get tempbanned for it. Carjacker trys it with me he will get a face full of M4 and "lol phags"

-Syn

[Aragorn]

Nah.. he means that you can shoot them, but that you shouldn't moan if you get banned/tempbanned for it.

If I would spectate anyone who was carjacked and started shooting the carjacker - I would not move a finger even to warn... But if we will allow such things server will be fool of deathmatching as players will start shoot everyone who's actions they did not like...

[Rusty]

You shouldnt GET tempbanned for it tho. ITs Self defence. IF i was banned for shooting a carjacker well that would be it lol. Id hang up my Argonath underpants and leave.

But seriously. Idc if i get tempbanned for it. Carjacker trys it with me he will get a face full of M4 and "lol phags"

-Syn

Cilvillian law on Argonath states that you can only use Melee or a Handgun in self defense againest your attacker anything bigger isn't.  (You can find this on ARPD Forum)  
Though this could be different now..

[Aragorn]

In self-defense you can use any weapon  which is allowed on servers...

[Rusty]

In self-defense you can use any weapon  which is allowed on servers...

Guess ARPD needs to change it's laws then.   

You don't need to bring "Old Argonath" back, if your one of our Old Players simply hop into MTA:VC and you back into Old Times.  It worked for the few SA:MP players who joine dus yesterday.

If you say there's no RP in the Server(s), why not try get something going i know am most of the time walking around being a "Gangsta" and selling drugs, starting "bat" fights with people and generally being chased by people who wanna kill me.  That is my daily RP plus being a Cop, you don't need uber 1337 Situations and a ton of people to RP.  Walk around yourself and soon you'll find something.

[Roadkill]

In self-defense you can use any weapon  which is allowed on servers...

Thanks Ron, I'll pass that info on to S.W.A.T. Maybe then we can use a combat shotgun like every other criminal all of the time.

[Syn]

Im getting Vice city as we speak so ill be on MTA soon

Also. Swat use combats anyway. I has seen dem wiv ma swat watching goggles.

-Syn

[Mafs]

If I would spectate anyone who was carjacked and started shooting the carjacker - I would not move a finger even to warn... But if we will allow such things server will be fool of deathmatching as players will start shoot everyone who's actions they did not like...

Well to be honest, nobody escapes with my car in one piece aslong as I'm carrying a weapon. And I have yet to get warned by an admin for it, so that's a good thing.
Same with if someone hits me (usually new people do this) I draw my weapon and aim at them, if they don't run then they'll get a little warning. Else they'll be shot, simple as that.

We can't always wait for admins to help us in situations as being DM'ed or being carjacked, sometimes we have to result into using violence. Nowadays I don't even mind getting jailed for it afterwards, I mean.. it's just $200 bucks, and the cops get some cash, everyone happy.

I must also say, sometimes I do moan. If I have to report someone 13 times before I get the littlest of response (for example someone jailing suspects whom you brought to jail in the first place, which happend to me today). Or someone using 9 cars in a police chase, without getting the slighest of help from the admins/high ranked cops within 15 minutes. (Yes it actually took around 13-15 minutes before the suspect was dealt with, refused to chase the suspect further though).

And yes, things like these can frustrate or even piss people off. We know the admins are not robots, but something as little as that shouldn't take 15 minutes, or would it?

[Aragorn]

We can't always wait for admins to help us in situations as being DM'ed or being carjacked, sometimes we have to result into using violence.

If you can handle it yourself - why wait for admin?
If more players will handle deathmatchers themselves - admins will have more time for ruling events or playing themselves...
And that is the exactly Argonath "old times"...

What was better in old times?

- Less deathmatch? No... It was even worse... With spawn killing and deathmatching non stop 24/7
- Less carjacking? No... It was even more... Right now it decreased because of amount of regulars...
- Less hacking? No... Abusing the scripts/money cheating and hacking as it is was more damageable... As the scripts were new - more bugs, or unexpected usage - more abuse...  Hackers were armed heavily (hydras, miniguns, rocket launchers)... Nowadays their guns usually are unsynced...
- Community? Yes... Community was better... Less moaners, more players...

If someone hits me - I hit back... I even have no idea why should I report the deathmatcher to admins... Ramming is 70 % accidental... At least from my experience being UnderCover... From all freecops I met on server I was abused 0 times... 0 times and that is not a lie...

Time to think - if server owner states that he was not abused by freecops, maybe those who moan have nothing related to the Argonath style this server owner set from the beginning?

Then there is no point "Argonath was better" from such people...

[Pancher]

Guess ARPD needs to change it's laws then.   

I believe it's a bit outdated and not clear enough, will take a look on it the coming week.

[Stanley_Taylor]

I agree with mafs.
If it's just a newbie who's carjacking/carkilling, why bother shooting? You might get /su by some freecop and then you have to explain yourself for atleast 5 minutes and end up getting jailed for 15 seconds. If you're getting carhumped, just keep dodging the car for a few minutes so an admin can actually see it. If you start shooting, you scare him off and the admins can't see a thing.
If a newbie deathmatcher keeps hitting you, just block the punches.

Got you... Heh, think all the main admins live in the same timezone as you? Complaining like this won't change anything. You know how to fill in a complaint the proper way. If you don't complain by the proper way, main administration simply doesn't need to move a single finger. You're spitting on the developers' face, who made the complaint e-mail system to be used for such messages, and worked on the forum trying to avoid this to happen.

From the "HP bug abuser" JayL.

[Jserg]

If you can handle it yourself - why wait for admin?
If more players will handle deathmatchers themselves - admins will have more time for ruling events or playing themselves...
And that is the exactly Argonath "old times"...

What was better in old times?

- Less deathmatch? No... It was even worse... With spawn killing and deathmatching non stop 24/7
- Less carjacking? No... It was even more... Right now it decreased because of amount of regulars...
- Less hacking? No... Abusing the scripts/money cheating and hacking as it is was more damageable... As the scripts were new - more bugs, or unexpected usage - more abuse...  Hackers were armed heavily (hydras, miniguns, rocket launchers)... Nowadays their guns usually are unsynced...
- Community? Yes... Community was better... Less moaners, more players...

If someone hits me - I hit back... I even have no idea why should I report the deathmatcher to admins... Ramming is 70 % accidental... At least from my experience being UnderCover... From all freecops I met on server I was abused 0 times... 0 times and that is not a lie...

Time to think - if server owner states that he was not abused by freecops, maybe those who moan have nothing related to the Argonath style this server owner set from the beginning?

Then there is no point "Argonath was better" from such people...

Damn Aragorn is fucking right ...   :bow:

[Roadkill]

I agree with mafs.
If it's just a newbie who's carjacking/carkilling, why bother shooting? You might get /su by some freecop and then you have to explain yourself for atleast 5 minutes and end up getting jailed for 15 seconds. If you're getting carhumped, just keep dodging the car for a few minutes so an admin can actually see it. If you start shooting, you scare him off and the admins can't see a thing.
If a newbie deathmatcher keeps hitting you, just block the punches.

Got you... Heh, think all the main admins live in the same timezone as you? Complaining like this won't change anything. You know how to fill in a complaint the proper way. If you don't complain by the proper way, main administration simply doesn't need to move a single finger. You're spitting on the developers' face, who made the complaint e-mail system to be used for such messages, and worked on the forum trying to avoid this to happen.

From the "HP bug abuser" JayL.

Freedom of speech and all that.