Argonath Role Play, a forgotten skill ?

[Boozman]

Roleplay is starting to become a rare thing.
For Example, just today i was driving down to Flint and attempted to pull someone over. We were actually going to Roleplay untill two more officers come on the scene and just start shooting which basically ended up being a giant DM session.

Another Example, i was off duty and a cadet slams into the side of my car. I was attempting to roleplay a pissed off black man who's car just got smashed by a cop. I said "Ayo man! You Fucked up my car!" the Cadet then suspected me for like Threatening a Cop or something and i  get a gun in my face for asking what he was doing.

I really enjoy Argonath, but sometimes there are some people who just refuse to RP.

[rJCaiG]

I AGREE WITH GANDALF AND I'M SAYING SO IN CAPS BECAUSE MY POINT GETS ACROSS CLEARER LIKE THIS

[Joey_DeRossi]

Always the same people who try to defend the undefendeble.

You try to push someone off the bridge and it did not work.
If you use succeed/fail and the answer is fail, it would still not work.

Leave it up to the other to react and decide what action he wants.
All succeed/fail does is adding something unnnecessary.

Look:

* Que  pushes Gandalf off the bridge

* Que  Succeed/Fail

* Gandalf  Fail

* Gandalf  runs away

or

* Que  pushes Gandalf off the bridge

* Gandalf  runs away

No difference at all, yet you would tell the first one is 'good RP' and the second one is 'bad RP'.

By doing "/em Succeeded / Failed ?" it just means you are willing to role-play. Yes, to role-play.
Role-play is something created by 2 or more people. /em is a respectable option for role-players. It means you will not powergame, as your giving the others a chance to reply, positively, or negatively. That is what's so great about the role-play, as you can never predict what's going to happen next.

So, the correct usage (the way I see it) would be something like this:

* Que  attempts to push Gandalf off the bridge
/em Que Succeed/Fail
/em Gandalf  Fail
* Gandalf  runs away/dodges

[R.Rivens]

Yeah true, true.

I am just saying here, you dont have to write something, others can visually see.
For example, you dont have to write: /me gets in or /me gets out (car). Also you dont have to write: /me runs away or something. I can see that, so you dont have to write it.

Also, I wanted to ask if Argonath actually haves rules like: Dont Metagame or Powergame.
I can ask it other way too: Is Metagaming or Powergaming allowed?
Oh, I want to ask one more thing: Do we have IC/OOC knowledge? Some people say yes, some say no...

Thank you!

[Alsatian]

There is no IC or OOC in Argonath. God the amount of times I've heard that.

By doing "/em Succeeded / Failed ?" it just means you are willing to role-play. Yes, to role-play.
Role-play is something created by 2 or more people. /em is a respectable option for role-players. It means you will not powergame, as your giving the others a chance to reply, positively, or negatively. That is what's so great about the role-play, as you can never predict what's going to happen next.

So, the correct usage (the way I see it) would be something like this:

* Que  attempts to push Gandalf off the bridge
/em Que Succeed/Fail
/em Gandalf  Fail
* Gandalf  runs away/dodges

This.

I mean, say someone did /me punches xxx in the face and steals his weapon. Damn, I'm pretty sure some people wouldn't like to be forced to go along with that situation. So, that's why /em is in place. To give us an option.

[BlackBird]

By doing "/em Succeeded / Failed ?" it just means you are willing to role-play. Yes, to role-play.
Role-play is something created by 2 or more people. /em is a respectable option for role-players. It means you will not powergame, as your giving the others a chance to reply, positively, or negatively. That is what's so great about the role-play, as you can never predict what's going to happen next.

So, the correct usage (the way I see it) would be something like this:

* Que  attempts to push Gandalf off the bridge
/em Que Succeed/Fail
/em Gandalf  Fail
* Gandalf  runs away/dodges

Joey no offense
your a great rper and all, but your one of the people trying to make Argonath a "1337 OMFG RP server"
you making this post kinda proves my point.
There is no need for a fail/succeed at all, it's useless and wastes time

* Protoman Pushes gandalf off the bridge

*Gandalf Runs away
There isn't even a /me needed for gandalf running away, as it is a visual aspect, and when he runs you will instantly know you fail.
you trying to right now, obviously, enforce the usage of /em is a sign that argonath the way it is is not good enough for you, you must have strict guidlines for RP, otherwise whats the point.
Powergaming and Metagaming, OOC and IC are not apart of argonath rpg, anyone who trys to make it apart of argonath does not belong here as it is not the right server for them.
You are not forced to RP with anyone on argonath, if someone walks up and does /me shoves Joey_Derossi, you have the option to ignore it and keep walking or doing your business, you do not have to acknowledge RP with anyone at all.

Argonath is a RPG server, not a RP server
most might ask what the difference is and others might argue there the same.
However RPG is severly different then RP, RP is defined as picking a role and playing it, however RP is enforced by strict rules/codes/guidlines.
RPG is not so much picking one role and staying with it, you have the option to play the role of anything/anyone you like, one minute you could be a space dragon, the next you could be a mafia thug extorting people for cash, the bounds are limitless.

Now lets look at people who try to bring Metagaming/powergaming into argonath.
Theres several reasons for this, all apply to different people, and some have other reasons not listed.
Main reason is they feel they should be in control and if a situation doesn't go there way, they scream powergame/metagame/non-rp/abuse, and they whine about it.
Another reason, is, as gandalf said, they see argonaths rules as to light and feel more must be put inplace to make it a "proper RP server". Argonath is not a proper RP server, Argonath is far from regular and im glad it is.
Argonath is a unique enviroment built to have fun in, you can simply choose to join and walk around, you can do nearly anything you like as long as it is within the rules.
you are never forced to Rp with anyone, i myself, choose not to RP with the hardcore 1337 rpers who insist on bringing rules from other servers to ours.

Now, lets take a look at the ooc/ic, same thing as above, another rule not enforced on argo, yet players insist it exists, when one player chooses not to acknowledged this so called unwritten rule, he is flamed, harassed, and even dm'd by players.
IC/OOC does not exist on argo, why continue to enforce a rule that doesn't exist, the fact is players again want something that makes them seem like they are superior to others, they think by being a hardcore Rp'er on a server with loosley defined rules, and then trying to enforce rules such as MG, PG, and ic/ooc, they are superior.

Whining and complaining, we all do our fair share of it, every player, if you say you haven't, your lieing.
Whining is something that every server has, however, other servers are not as light on it as argonath is, while a crackdown on whining has been in place, it is still by far lesser then anyhting other servers have.
Whining will never leave argonath, one whiner leaves, two more take it's place, it's the way of life.

[Roman]

One unlucky cop

[BRC]Army_Style (phone): Yea I see, 5 mins, comming.
[BRC]ArbuZ was suspected by [cop] for speeding
*[BRC]ArbuZ pulling over, going out of the car
*[cop] getting closer to [BRC]ArbuZ
[cop] says: Sir, I need you documents and registration!
[BRC]ArbuZ says: I have a right for a 1 call
[cop] says: go ahead,I give you 5 mins to do it.
[BRC]ArbuZ: /me taking out cellphone
-they picked up
[BRC]ArbuZ (phone): Got a damn problem by the way to HQ, need help. Take guys andgo to the taxi station
* Cop aiming at [BRC]ArbuZ
[cop] says: Drop the phone, now!
[BRC]ArbuZ says: Or wha? You'll shoot me?
* Cop makes [BRC]ArbuZ to give a phone to him
-They hang up
* Cop break the phone by dropping it into the floor
[cop] says: In the car, now!
[BRC]ArbuZ says: Sure, lets go sir.
* [BRC]ArbuZ going to police car very slowly
[BRC]ArbuZ says: Sir, look the minivan is coming here, I bet they need to talk to you
* Minivan stops
* Cop knocking the window
* [BRC]Army_Style rolls down a window
[cop] says: Any problems, sir?
[BRC]Army_Style says: Yes sir, there is one big problem, and that is you.
* Cop confuced
[cop] says: Sir, go out of the car, show me your liciense
* Back doors of minivan opens
* [BRC]Lexus_Koltsovt and [BRCt]Mr.Weso coming out with m4 and ak47

* Cop trying to use /r to call back up
* [BRC]ArbuZ taking out a desert eagle and aiming at the cop
[BRC]ArbuZ says: Dont even think of it, if you wanna get home today.
[BRC]Lexus_Koltsovt says: [cop], in the car (backdoors), now!
* FBI agents appears
* [BRC]Army_Style going out of the car, getting closer to the agents
[BRC]Army_Style says: If you dont leave this area in 5 seconds, that cop gona die.  Dont try to trick me, I got a newest GPS!
* FBI agents calling Pancher, talking with him, leaving the area to let clan guys do what they want.
* [BRC]ArbuZ locking his banshee, sitting in the minivan
* [BRC]Army_Style driving to the desert
* Everybody going out of the van
* [BRCt]Mr.Weso looking around
* Cop crying and asking to let him go
* [BRC]Lexus_Koltsov laughs at him, and hitting him right up the head, so Cop falls down and his head seems bloody.

[cop] says: please let me go
* [BRC]ArbuZ comming out of the car, checking his runhowlong system

[BRC]ArbuZ says: shit, everyone wanna get me. Lexus, finish up with him.
* [BRC]Lexus_Koltsovt start kicking the cop by his legs
* [cop] almost died
[BRC]ArbuZ shouts: alright guys, enough!
* [BRC]ArbuZ calls 911
[BRC]ArbuZ (phone): police, i got 1 of your almost died cop. Wanna get him? Come to the desert near the LasVenturas
You hang up
[BRC]ArbuZ shouts: OK, everybody, in the car, we got much things to do...GOGOGO!!
* [BRC]Army_Style putting a bag on [cop]'s head. kicking him again, sitting in the car, driving with a clan guys away

The end.
Post Merge: January 01, 2010, 05:03:54 amHow do you like that RP? /\/\

[Chase]

A reminder for people -

RP != RLRP

[Cofiliano]

RP != RLRP

?

[JDC]

I think he means Argonath RP =/= RLRP.

Joey no offense
your a great rper and all, but your one of the people trying to make Argonath a "1337 OMFG RP server"
you making this post kinda proves my point.
There is no need for a fail/succeed at all, it's useless and wastes time

* Protoman Pushes gandalf off the bridge

*Gandalf Runs away
There isn't even a /me needed for gandalf running away, as it is a visual aspect, and when he runs you will instantly know you fail.
you trying to right now, obviously, enforce the usage of /em is a sign that argonath the way it is is not good enough for you, you must have strict guidlines for RP, otherwise whats the point.
Powergaming and Metagaming, OOC and IC are not apart of argonath rpg, anyone who trys to make it apart of argonath does not belong here as it is not the right server for them.
You are not forced to RP with anyone on argonath, if someone walks up and does /me shoves Joey_Derossi, you have the option to ignore it and keep walking or doing your business, you do not have to acknowledge RP with anyone at all.

Argonath is a RPG server, not a RP server
most might ask what the difference is and others might argue there the same.
However RPG is severly different then RP, RP is defined as picking a role and playing it, however RP is enforced by strict rules/codes/guidlines.
RPG is not so much picking one role and staying with it, you have the option to play the role of anything/anyone you like, one minute you could be a space dragon, the next you could be a mafia thug extorting people for cash, the bounds are limitless.

Now lets look at people who try to bring Metagaming/powergaming into argonath.
Theres several reasons for this, all apply to different people, and some have other reasons not listed.
Main reason is they feel they should be in control and if a situation doesn't go there way, they scream powergame/metagame/non-rp/abuse, and they whine about it.
Another reason, is, as gandalf said, they see argonaths rules as to light and feel more must be put inplace to make it a "proper RP server". Argonath is not a proper RP server, Argonath is far from regular and im glad it is.
Argonath is a unique enviroment built to have fun in, you can simply choose to join and walk around, you can do nearly anything you like as long as it is within the rules.
you are never forced to Rp with anyone, i myself, choose not to RP with the hardcore 1337 rpers who insist on bringing rules from other servers to ours.

Now, lets take a look at the ooc/ic, same thing as above, another rule not enforced on argo, yet players insist it exists, when one player chooses not to acknowledged this so called unwritten rule, he is flamed, harassed, and even dm'd by players.
IC/OOC does not exist on argo, why continue to enforce a rule that doesn't exist, the fact is players again want something that makes them seem like they are superior to others, they think by being a hardcore Rp'er on a server with loosley defined rules, and then trying to enforce rules such as MG, PG, and ic/ooc, they are superior.

Whining and complaining, we all do our fair share of it, every player, if you say you haven't, your lieing.
Whining is something that every server has, however, other servers are not as light on it as argonath is, while a crackdown on whining has been in place, it is still by far lesser then anyhting other servers have.
Whining will never leave argonath, one whiner leaves, two more take it's place, it's the way of life.

If this was Facebook, I'd like this post.

[Chuck_Norris]

i won't say name, but its funny that people who say YES GANDALF I AGREE GOOD POST, actually forgot how to roleplay aswell.

[Lucky]

Powergaming is allowed but forced Roleplay isn't. Hello ?

[JDC]

Powergaming does not exist here.

[Lucky]

Powergaming does not exist here.

So it IS allowed.

[Pandalink]

RP way and nonRP way ...

No.

RP =/= PM

...

So it IS allowed.

Powergaming is not allowed nor disallowed.
Forced Roleplay is not allowed.
Attach whatever irrelevant tag to this term you wish.

I could rightly say that going around killing random people is melongaming.
Melongaming wouldn't be disallowed, but deathmatching would be.

Argonath is a RPG server, not a RP server

IMO,
/thread