Argonath Role Play, a forgotten skill ?

[ElMartu]

I use != too but i'm just used to scripting :P

[Joey_DeRossi]

I think this is were the problem stands.

"a" - Which means there's plenty more.

[supermanmk]

The biggest shit that makes me mad on Argo is the so called "Force RP". You see a man is standing on the road and i come to him and i am like

* supermanmk raises shirt and takes deagle out of pants

/s hands up!!!

and he is just like

/l f**k off idiot you cant force me to rp.


I mean what the f**k!!!!!! It happened to me so many times in different RP situations the guy simply refuses to rp because "he is not in the mood for it".

So i am asking him : Than why the hell are you playing on a RP server when you are not Role Playing. Most of the people are playing so they earn cash and buy big houses fast cars and shit. Ok that is ok but What will you do after you get it?

If you are motivated to play Argo so you get Big house etc. and not motivated to play because of the RP and fun than its bad. So imagine you get the biggest house,the biggest bizz,the best car and stuff. Now what the hell will you do? Yup you played so long to get this and now you got it and now what ? Stop playing? For me its the same to own a hotel room and some f**king big house. I know it looks good  to have one but dude its just a place where you store stuff.

Whats worse than refusing RP by saying " You cant force me to RP" is this which happened to me:

I was wearing a priest skin Role Playing priest and stuff giving holy water helping people etc. SO i walked up to this guy:

/l Hello son how is your day?

And he just scrolled a deagle and shot me dead. I didn't do anything to provoke him or something else i just talked to him and he shot me dead FOR NO REASON. I reported him for death matching and the admin just said "I talked to him".

Next situation:
I was wearing a hobo skin and was hanging around at GS9. I was going to people asking for change using: /l Hey dude got spare change. I was just Role Playing a hobo. Suddenly a man with "[i9]" tag started to shoot at me and killed me. When i asked him why he did it he just said "I don't like hobos at my GS". I was like WTF pissed off and stuff and the admins just ignored me. That is DM people its like i go in front of City Hall with m4 and shoot everyone saying "I don't want anyone at my City Hall". First of all the GS is not even his the 24/7 is. And the thing that pisses me off the most are when someone does something from the above and when i report admins /kick//warn me for Moaning.

Anyway i hope some people can learn to RP and care about that instead of cash because its not even real cash. And if you don't want to RP and you are just repeating "Can't force me to RP" than go to a damn DM server. And guess what admins are on his side saying i can't force him to RP. Ok than lets all ignore what is happening and when someone Aims a gun at you face just keep walking as nothing is going on. - That is bad.

Gangs and mafias are roleplaying less these days its all "You attacked me with no validation" or " OMG dmer" over /p and the topics are full of "HHahahaha i pwned your ass" and other stupid provokes.

Happy new year.

[Lionel Valdes]

As we progress in time it seems that we get more and more layers who learned the wring habits on other servers. Some find our rules too open as they are used to stricter ones, and take it as excuse to either break the rules or impose theirs on others. There for a small guide to RP, the Argonath way.

1. RP does not need to be scritped.
Many ideas to create jobs, scripts, ranks and other things are requested as people seem to have no idea on what to do. For those people, the origin of RP is without any script support. In the early days of GTA roleplay, any RP was based on what was typed on screen. People bought houses you could not enter, businesses that were closed, or hotels without rooms.
And people paid each other money without getting anything in their inventory, they paid because they made RP of buying something.
It it so hard to use your imagination and do something virtual ?

Bad example:

* Gandalf sells grey brooms

Player: how can you sell brooms, they do nothing

Good example:

* Gandalf sells white brooms

Player buys  a broom.
After 5 minutes pPlayer comes back and tell the broom did not work.



2. Public chat is communication
In the earlier days, all RP of 26 people went through a public chat of 8 lines. Nowadays, with all local, cb, pm and other chat people complain about not being able to read even when they can use 20 lines of chat.
The public chat gives opportunity to greet your friends, help new players and create a friendly atmosphere. Although often it seems to be used for whining, complaining and flaming. If it will be removed, it will be because of the whining, not because of it beung useless.

Bad example:

* Gandalf Hey all

Player OMG spam I can not read my screen.

Good example:
/me: Hey all
Player: Hi

3. Use imagination instead of force.
It seems extremely hard to use the brains for a number of people. Not only do they feel the need to make a difference between 'In Character' and 'Out of Character' by using funny brackets, lately they also feel the need to force others in to actions.
The latest is using /me for an action and then askig yes/no or succeed/fail.
This takes imagination out of roleplay, and causes forced scenarios.
Instead of asking for a result, let the player think of one.

Bad example:
Player pushes Gandalf  succeed/fail

Good example:
Player pusghes Gandalf
Gandalf looks confused.

You made one mistake on the begining , it's : Players not layers

[Malcolm]

"a" - Which means there's plenty more.

Oh ok. I thought you meant a correct usage as appose (oppose?) to the other example (Gandalfs and JayLs).

You made one mistake on the begining , it's : Players not layers

Lol you quoted all of that, just to say that? :razz:

[BlackBird]

@supermanmk
Everyday on argonath you encounter new situations, and recurring ones.
Players choosing not to RP with you is one such encounter, it's there option to roleplay, not yours, being original in your RP is what makes people wanna Rp with you, even if they don't it's there choice, you cannot force others to RP, when others don't RP with you, that doesn't give you the right to flame them or dm them.
If your robbing a player and the player says he doesn't want to RP with you, you leave him alone, you don't go "to bad" and kill him, because it is then DM.

[JDC]

The biggest shit that makes me mad on Argo is the so called "Force RP". You see a man is standing on the road and i come to him and i am like

* supermanmk raises shirt and takes deagle out of pants

/s hands up!!!

and he is just like

/l f**k off idiot you cant force me to rp.


I mean what the f**k!!!!!! It happened to me so many times in different RP situations the guy simply refuses to rp because "he is not in the mood for it".

So i am asking him : Than why the hell are you playing on a RP server when you are not Role Playing. Most of the people are playing so they earn cash and buy big houses fast cars and shit. Ok that is ok but What will you do after you get it?

If you are motivated to play Argo so you get Big house etc. and not motivated to play because of the RP and fun than its bad. So imagine you get the biggest house,the biggest bizz,the best car and stuff. Now what the hell will you do? Yup you played so long to get this and now you got it and now what ? Stop playing? For me its the same to own a hotel room and some f**king big house. I know it looks good  to have one but dude its just a place where you store stuff.

Stop with this moaning supermank, you're on Argonath, where people have the option to engage in RP or not. If he doesn't want to RP with you, so what? Find someone else to RP with, it's that simple!

[Stanley_Taylor]

As we progress in time it seems that we get more and more layers who learned the wring habits on other servers. Some find our rules too open as they are used to stricter ones, and take it as excuse to either break the rules or impose theirs on others. There for a small guide to RP, the Argonath way.

1. RP does not need to be scritped.
Many ideas to create jobs, scripts, ranks and other things are requested as people seem to have no idea on what to do. For those people, the origin of RP is without any script support. In the early days of GTA roleplay, any RP was based on what was typed on screen. People bought houses you could not enter, businesses that were closed, or hotels without rooms.
And people paid each other money without getting anything in their inventory, they paid because they made RP of buying something.
It it so hard to use your imagination and do something virtual ?

Bad example:

* Gandalf sells grey brooms

Player: how can you sell brooms, they do nothing

Good example:

* Gandalf sells white brooms

Player buys  a broom.
After 5 minutes pPlayer comes back and tell the broom did not work.

Sure, but you can't have it both ways. When you make so many scripts for the Police, why don't you allow more scripts for civilians? This leads your third point.
I like Argonath for the rp between civilians and criminals, but everything that has to do with Police, I dislike, simply due to the amount of scripts and the powergaming (script wise) that is forced on you as a civilian/suspect.

Bad example:

Suspect=/hail
Cop=Type /gu not /hail. /s3
Suspect gets sprayed
Suspect=/hurt
PEW PEW

Good example WITH script:

Suspect=/hail
Cop=/me takes his cuffs from his waist band

* Stanley_Taylor attempts to put the suspect's arms behind his back

/em succeed?

* Stanley_Taylor places the cuffs on the suspect's hands

Suspect=/gu
(learned from ex-Chief Hank_Rafferty  )

2. Public chat is communication
In the earlier days, all RP of 26 people went through a public chat of 8 lines. Nowadays, with all local, cb, pm and other chat people complain about not being able to read even when they can use 20 lines of chat.
The public chat gives opportunity to greet your friends, help new players and create a friendly atmosphere. Although often it seems to be used for whining, complaining and flaming. If it will be removed, it will be because of the whining, not because of it beung useless.

Bad example:

* Gandalf Hey all

Player OMG spam I can not read my screen.

Good example:
/me: Hey all
Player: Hi

Yep

3. Use imagination instead of force.
It seems extremely hard to use the brains for a number of people. Not only do they feel the need to make a difference between 'In Character' and 'Out of Character' by using funny brackets,

Most players don't use it because they think they have to, but they do it because they feel it doesn't kill the role play they're in.

lately they also feel the need to force others in to actions.
The latest is using /me for an action and then askig yes/no or succeed/fail.
This takes imagination out of roleplay, and causes forced scenarios.
Instead of asking for a result, let the player think of one.

Bad example:
Player pushes Gandalf  succeed/fail

Good example:
Player pusghes Gandalf
Gandalf looks confused.

When you push another player you don't need to use succeed/hail, but in some cases it does help to use succeed/fail or it WOULD cause forced scenarios. Or you would have to use words like 'attempt' or 'try' to make up for it. What you're basically saying is that you keep forcing role play on the other player, without the outcome of the rp being decisively decided. Basically you're trying to 'out'-powergame the other player, concering the character interaction, by constantly forcing each other in to actions in which they have to powergame if they want to continue to role play. In other words, there is a thin line between forcing rp (within a rp) and powergaming (character's interaction).

Bad examples:

Stanley: /me tackles Gandalf
Gandalf: /hurt

Stanley: /me attempts to use his minigun to blow Gandalf's head off
Gandalf: lolwut?

Good example:

Stanley: /me attempts to tackle Gandalf
Gandalf: /me jumps over Stanley's foot and dodges the tackle

[JDC]

Power gaming does not exist here. In MTA:VC, we also had cop-robber interactions, but we did not need to ask for succeed / fail during RP.

/em is not to be used for success / failure scenarios, the solution is to... express the RP in a creative / imaginative manner. Just go with the flow!

MTA:VC regulars will know very well what i mean. It's somewhat hard for me to put it into words, but they can just take one glance at those words, and understand.

[Stanley_Taylor]

Power gaming does not exist here.

Just because it's allowed, it still exists. When I pull out a minigun from my ass, I'm Powergaming, because I'm using an object I don't have.

[Pandalink]

If you pull out a gun that you don't have then you fail and I will not roleplay with you anymore.

Problem solved.

[Void]

Power gaming does not exist here. In MTA:VC, we also had cop-robber interactions, but we did not need to ask for succeed / fail during RP.
/em is not to be used for success / failure scenarios, the solution is to... express the RP in a creative / imaginative manner. Just go with the flow!

Hundreds of players,hundreds of different imagination,hundred of different ideals,adjust them JDC please if you think that's easy !
Some people just cannot provide decent communication....Their role on Argonath is simply useless as this community is all about communication and living the spirit of RolePlay

[JDC]

Indeed, Void.

There are many different ideals on Argonath SA:MP, but only those that agree with the Argonath Vision will stay welcome here.


As for pulling a gun out of nowhere, that is logically impossible. It's possible to hide a gun in an ankle holster, strap it around your back, stuff it inside your shirt or even hide it in your ass (ouch ), but even with imaginative RP, conjuring a gun from air is absurd, unless you are a wizard or have a guy like jcstodds' crazy scientist to help you.

Solution: Assemble a gun from its stock parts.

[Legitech]

Good topic Gandalf, I totally agree.

[Void]

Indeed, Void.
There are many different ideals on Argonath SA:MP, but only those that agree with the Argonath Vision will stay welcome here.

ideals can be changed swiftly,but nurture cannot...Then we stumble upon gaps which create those players that don't see Argonath's Vision
That's why I am worried ...Gaps will always be created by them