RP Moaning & One-Sided RP

[battle]

As i've said many times wile i've played, money is only a tool to RP with it's NOT a need, you can easly RP without the money if you just use your imagination.

[Sisko]

If i try any of those situations on the current community, i get no response at all.
This is not a complaint, this is just how things are from my point of view.

This is 100% correct. I have tried various times to /ad Painters & Car-Cleaners at GS9 with no responce at all. Yet, the suprising thing is, I open a Tattoo Parlor which is a great success. Although purely roleplay, people are still interested in comming, getting a tattoo and leaving. I guess Argonath works in mysterious ways. I agree Argonath needs more civilians but it's much harder than said. How many great business's have failed in the past? Yet, I have no solution to this problem.

[EminemRulez]

This is 100% correct. I have tried various times to /ad Painters & Car-Cleaners at GS9 with no responce at all.

Now with thoose new ad prices we don't even see theese anymore
There's nothing you can do by yourself to solve this 'problem'.
Nothing will change until majority of players decide to change attitude
Believe me, even if some admins do: /ad Come to LS Ink or get banned, most won't come...
It's about making something so interesting that make players come, something attractive, something new...

[JDC]

Good point, but what's going to happen after you reach that goal?

When you attain a good RP and the status of being known as a good RPer, there's only one thing for me to do: aim higher.

[Frank_Hawk]

There have been several attempts to realise this, hoewever without someone devoting a lot of time and having the correct contacts in both crime and law enforcement it is hard to set up such a structure. However if someone wishes to create something, I could give directions on how.

The SAPD hierarchy is admired throughout Argonath for being trustworthy, efficient and rule enforcing. This is backed up by substantial scripts which allow a ranking, demotion, promotion and reward system. It's robust and through its track record has been proven to be one of excellence.

The human aspect has been one of solid direction, with good role models such as Pancher, Vince, Jay_Adams, Hank_Rafferty and many more enforcing SAPD align values.

The question is how and if the criminal base of Argonath will benefit. What would the hierarchy look like? What type of assurance will we be given on scripts aligned to criminals? How do we choose people for being responsible?

The way I see us going forward is that we are able to select a committee of players responsible for guiding the criminal base of Argonath. It would be responsible for handling concerns, guiding players and setting our clear rules for which criminals are expected to obey. In turn, if there is exploitation - sanctions such as demotions from being a criminal should be enforced in line with our SAPD counterparts.

I encourage your view on this Gandalf and hope others can build upon this.

[BlackEagle]

In my opinion everything depends on the leaders, kidnappers' leader and police commander.
If the point of kidnap is cash, you WILL surely fail.
Both sides should keep roleplaying during the negotiation progress, even the kidnapped persons should enjoy it.
ALL the kidnaps that i've organized were a succes for the both sides
Criminals got the money (usually 20k$ to cover armour cost) and some of them managed to get away with it
Cops got the hostage(s) and arrested/killed some of the criminals.

Thats really how all of them ended. Police commanders were different persons each time but they all controlled the operations very carefully and realistic as same as we did. You can ask to people who have been to these kidnaps or check the GSF topic. It was fun for both sides and at the end of action both sides congratulated each other on main chat. Thats what i call fun and RP.
Players should respect others because thats how they can enjoy playing a game, not because rules says so.

[Pandalink]

There is one single way that the standard "ghost" Araatus kidnap can be stopped, and nobody has figured it out yet, or if they have they haven't been able to do it successfully yet. It does however fall into this category:

3 Cops negotiate to get time, pay then go after kidnappers after hostage released

That is just a risk you have to take with the tactic we use.
We would always use the same one every time, almost without any changes at all. It wasn't almightily hard to stop, in fact with CBFasi/Pancher on the server the cops have a severely increased success chance, wink wink.
I think we give a fair chance, but yea - we're not going to make it obscenely easy for the cops to kill us and save the hostage.
We also only ever ask 10k, which covers our costs and nothing else.
We do it for the fun, not the cash.



Offtopic, by immature mind picked this out:

Be fair in your play to all, not just yourself.

Yea guys, you should be fair all the time, not just when you play with yourself.
:3

[CBFasi]

What type of assurance will we be given on scripts aligned to criminals?

This is one I can answer, and those that remember my criminal leaders meetings will be aware I try to listen, and even have made changes.

I cannot give full assurance, but if there is script changes that are presented and well thought out, particulary in the risk of abuse area then it will be seriously considered.  Just do not expect me to rush..

Do not forget it was technically the Chief of Police that introduced cheaper weapons for all, also the same Chief of Police who introduced a way for criminals to escape..

I maybe Chief of Police but when it comes to scritping I work all, not just police, even if some think I just deal with Police.  (and police are just starting to notice how things are getting harder for them with script restrictions getting added)

[Pandalink]

Its not that we want cops to have less or have it harder, that won't help anyone.

I have always seen the scripts as cop based, which at the moment they are in my opinion. I guess I was just disappointed that not a single one of my ideas from the criminal leaders meeting got a mention in RS4, despite the fact that I suggested many different ones.

[Frank_Hawk]

This is one I can answer, and those that remember my criminal leaders meetings will be aware I try to listen, and even have made changes.

The SAPD hierachy at present can in my view be adapted to the criminal world. This is considering the amount of testing in this field in which malpractise has been eradicated.

For example, ranks such as 'Officer' and 'Freecop' can be changed to 'Rookie criminal' and 'Veteran criminal'

I encourage all leaders from SA:MP Groups and other influential figures to voice your view.

[CBFasi]

Its not that we want cops to have less or have it harder, that won't help anyone.

I have always seen the scripts as cop based, which at the moment they are in my opinion. I guess I was just disappointed that not a single one of my ideas from the criminal leaders meeting got a mention in RS4, despite the fact that I suggested many different ones.

Your right they where not in RS4, but watch the future, some of yur ideas required many other changes to take place first.

And I will be hoping to arrange a meeting in the not too distant future

[Seskom]

CBF, if you want players not to be on cop/criminal duty theres pretty much things you can do about it.

1) Create civilian jobs and things what would FORCE others to use them cause otherwise 2/10 use them.
Ex: If car gets on black smoke you cant drive with anymore and you need to call an towtruck.
Ex: You will have sugar disease and you need to watch the sweets you eat, if it gets low you can buy an icecream
Ex: You will have an sickness like cough and you need an shop to buy medicense against it or you could create doctor offices so that doctor would give him the license to buy medication and will give an free time from job (he would still be paid just that he is sick and dosent need to work)
Ex: You need to eat in every 5 hours to keep your stomatch filled, otherwise your energy will go down (Would raise income and RP in dining areas)
Ex: If you buy new house you need to invite in an crew of constructors who will take your funiture inside or you can transport it yourself.


Theres alot more I could think of but these are just examples of first things what came to my idea what would make more civilian jobs and would make more civilians instead of criminals who earn money in illegal way and end up in shootout.

[MyleS]

CBF, if you want players not to be on cop/criminal duty theres pretty much things you can do about it.

1) Create civilian jobs and things what would FORCE others to use them cause otherwise 2/10 use them.
Ex: If car gets on black smoke you cant drive with anymore and you need to call an towtruck.
Ex: You will have sugar disease and you need to watch the sweets you eat, if it gets low you can buy an icecream
Ex: You will have an sickness like cough and you need an shop to buy medicense against it or you could create doctor offices so that doctor would give him the license to buy medication and will give an free time from job (he would still be paid just that he is sick and dosent need to work)
Ex: You need to eat in every 5 hours to keep your stomatch filled, otherwise your energy will go down (Would raise income and RP in dining areas)
Ex: If you buy new house you need to invite in an crew of constructors who will take your funiture inside or you can transport it yourself.


Theres alot more I could think of but these are just examples of first things what came to my idea what would make more civilian jobs and would make more civilians instead of criminals who earn money in illegal way and end up in shootout.

You can add this: Cars can be locked by their owners, so Taxi... Transport jobs, become enjoyable to roleplay.
But again, they say this is not a strict roleplay, its RPG, but more like a freeroam where you can stunt, DM (+), roleplay...

[Seskom]

Abit of force could make RP Two Sided and more unlike Cops and robbers.

[JDC]

1) Create civilian jobs and things what would FORCE others to use them cause otherwise 2/10 use them.

This would contradict the Argonath Vision, we're not about forcing people.

And a central Criminal Hierarchy would be currently impossible, since the many different factions would bicker among themselves, not to mention that many of their members would lack the required discipline needed in order to make the Criminals operate as a single well-organized organization.