Metagaming and Powergaming

[(tr)Ollie]

To be fair, I do not go around my school using some kind of phrase that distinguises when I will be talking utter bullshit. I do not need a phrase to tell people when I will be talking bullshit as one can tell from the manner in which I am speaking. If, for example, I am in game talking about "whacking" another mafia member, if I suddenly blurt out something regarding my pet Beagle, I think one could easily tell it is IC. We therefore do not need brackets to separate IC/OOC BUT it would definately be eaiser to distinguish in other situations.

[Lorenzo.]

Ty guys for replying!

[JDC]

JDC's next post will contain something with "LEET1337SERVERS" or "LEET1337ROLEPLAYERS" .. Something about Argonath is a world of it's own and some negative critisism against IC/OOC.

i have to disagree, but it does make you a better RPer.

What you both consider to be "Good and better RP" are actually things that operate on principles which did not originate here on Argonath. On other Servers (most of which contain shitty RP centered on chat systems rather than player IQ), those may be great, but here they are not. Look at my signature as well.

Requiring brackets to differentiate matters of real life from matters of character makes you a roleplayer with a crutch, good sir. Hence, the opposite is in fact true, the truly "good" roleplayers have no need for such aids as this! D:

Using brackets is showing that you have no ability to RP and is for sure not a sign for good RP. In fact if you are not able to make difference between IC and OOC you have a lot to learn about RP.

[Que]

What you both consider to be "Good and better RP" are actually things that operate on principles which did not originate here on Argonath. On other Servers (most of which contain shitty RP centered on chat systems rather than player IQ), those may be great, but here they are not. Look at my signature as well.

I know that, I posted my reply because I know what you're saying everytime.
You're repeating yourself.
And I forgot your signature, that's something you always need to mention as well.

[Grovyle]

I think JDC is overreacting.
...to be honest, same with everyone who uses brackets and discusses too much on must use them or not.

We ALL got that brackets is just an aid (so what?). We ALL know Argonath does not support them. We ALL know MTA:VC roleplay is different than SA:MP's (even the GAME engine is different for god sakes... you can't climb up walls in Vice City, can you?). WE ALL KNOW THAT PEOPLE HAVE THEIR WAYS TO ROLEPLAY!!!!!!

To be even more honest I say that JDC is against brackets and wants to stop the use of them at once; that's like saying that you must be like, what, be an Albert Einstein to play Argonath!! You barely need to be damn intelligent to define IC or OOC...

And, for me, "good RP" defines as, for example, a guy who can roleplay in a balanced level, can use /me or /em to do stuff, uses /l to speak with people locally (this is the most basic thing in Argonath RPG anyway), imagine that an object is there (like aspirin pills, you can't create an object of that in SA:MP can you?), etc.... Not because they use OOC/IC brackets and/or /em for OOC, or calling people by another name for OOC/IC (I've never seen this happen but I just had to mention it lol)...

Guys, just drop this discussion before it gets too heated up, please. Discussing the use or not use of OOC/IC is like discussing religion to such a level.

<RAGE OVER>

[Lorenzo.]

What are brackets?

[Que]

What are brackets?

This " ( " & this " ) " .. That's brackets.
Some people are using it in game to show what is In Character (IC), which means you're talking from your characters perspective and role, and Out Of Character (OOC), which means you're basically talking like you do on mainchat and such things.
When people want to separate Out Of Character from In Character, they usually use brackets. (( Like this ))

Argonath does not support it, but there's still a lot of people who's using it, and it's originally used on other servers, which JDC and a few people call "1337 Servers"

[Vince]

Using brackets doesn't make you a better RPer, roleplay, at least from what I see it as can either be as creative as you'd like or as serious as you'd like. I for one can play both sides, I like to be creative when I roleplay and I like to be serious at times as well. Serious meaning acting as real as a real cop would act as possible and other times being creative, such as hosting large scale drug busts etc. and I think I do a fine job at both... sometimes I do "/l LOL" if something is funny or /em, the brackets, etc. to distinguish between the role I'm playing and what I'm talking about, but either way it doesn't improve how well you can roleplay or make you less of a good roleplayer.
Post Merge: April 05, 2010, 10:57:00 pmOh and also, respecting others is one of the most important rules on Argo, please respect other servers as well, no matter how they wish to play..

[MrFrancis]

Using brackets doesn't make you a better RPer, roleplay, at least from what I see it as can either be as creative as you'd like or as serious as you'd like. I for one can play both sides, I like to be creative when I roleplay and I like to be serious at times as well. Serious meaning acting as real as a real cop would act as possible and other times being creative, such as hosting large scale drug busts etc. and I think I do a fine job at both... sometimes I do "/l LOL" if something is funny or /em, the brackets, etc. to distinguish between the role I'm playing and what I'm talking about, but either way it doesn't improve how well you can roleplay or make you less of a good roleplayer.
Post Merge: April 05, 2010, 10:57:00 pmOh and also, respecting others is one of the most important rules on Argo, please respect other servers as well, no matter how they wish to play..

Very well said, Vince.

[Trobby888]

I believe the original purpose of this thread was a new player asking some questions about some terms. But now, everyone's going well off topic discussing those brackets.

His questions were already answered, guys. Please drop all this off topic discussion. This thread http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=52650.0 was already opened for discussion about those brackets. Use that instead.

[JDC]

that's like saying that you must be like, what, be an Albert Einstein to play Argonath!!

You mean that anyone below Einstein IQ levels is unable to define "IC" from "OOC" without the use of Bracket-Roleplaying-Crutches as a roleplaying aid?

The facts are quite the inverse, you just need to be someone with a normal IQ Level in order to define "IC" from "OOC" without having to go through brackets and all other similar shit.

[Julio.]

the brackets is not to help each other...

they are to show what you're meant to ignore, or you can put a little comment in of what you think of the RP

for example

Player 1: Hey Man, Wassup, any big shit going down or anything?
Player 1 (( ))
Player 2: Yeah, theres a big turf war up at grove, you should come with us
Player 1:Sounds great!
Player 2: (( lol, this is gonna be awesome RP ))

[EliteTerm]

Let every player roleplay how they want. Remember this, anyone who agrees to the person's RP is a true roleplayer, instead of telling him in the face "You can't metagaming!!1one!"

Player1 pulls out a Combat Shotgun and kicks him down
player2: Huh? OW, why the hell did you do that?!
player1: Give me your cash!
player2 kicks him down and starts running
player1: Hey! GET BACK HERE!!
player1 runs after the player


player1 pulls out a combat shotgun and kicks him down
player2: OMFG Don't f**king powergame!! you must use /em succeed/ fail if you do that!
player1: ... Succeed/ Fail
player2: fail
player2 starts running away

See what I'm trying to get at? Anyone who agrees to a roleplay, no matter how it goes, should be hailed as a true roleplayer.

Take a look at the 2012 RP we had a month or so ago. Did we complain about if someone survived some cataclysmic earthquake at Los Santos that happened 1 hour ago? Or somehow surviving outside with a shitload of ash from the Mount Chilliad eruption twice? Or even if someone tried to roleplay a zombie during the 2012 RP

To be honest, I have NEVER seen any of those "Succeed/ Fail" happen during that big RP. Everyone just RP'd it along, having fun.

[Mikro]

Well said, very well said! That is how a good rp should work and it is more fun though, because you let the other be more creative!! Which can make fun situations. 

[Grovyle]

You mean that anyone below Einstein IQ levels is unable to define "IC" from "OOC" without the use of Bracket-Roleplaying-Crutches as a roleplaying aid?

No. I was being completely ironic, because in one of your (old) posts, you said something similiar that only dumb people can't define IC from OOC without brackets, and then they whine about it. You probably didn't mean it due to having a fight against Que and UrsAring. (if I remember correctly)
I don't remember which post, but I am pretty sure you said something identical.

You are saying it again, FYI:

The facts are quite the inverse, you just need to be someone with a normal IQ Level in order to define "IC" from "OOC" without having to go through brackets and all other similar shit.

This means only people with normal IQ can define IC from OOC without brackets. So, everyone who uses brackets is not normal, or suffers a slight mental disorder.
(I'm not confirming it...)