SAMP Rules

[Unmountable]

Well done.

[Dave]

I see some people do not belong in this community...

[Hidduh]

I see some people do not belong in this community...

+1

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If you don't have anything nice to say, please get out of this topic and seek for another community where they appreciate moaning and complaining.

[Gandalf]

I said civilians and suspects. How is a civilian or suspect who is (perhaps in the middle of a hitman contract) chasing someone in a bike on their own, just like this hypothetical cop you mentioned in your post supposed to stop the person they are chasing. I believe it is possible for a cop to stop a suspect in a car without drive-bying them - this can be achieved in various ways, such as:

• Trying to convince the suspect to stop the car via using the megaphones on the bikes.
• Forcing the suspect in the car to blow up their car by good driving like forcing the driver to hit the walls a few times or making the suspect's car flip by making the suspect mess up a jump or drive poorly in a hilly area.
• Forcing the suspect to drown the car by careful tail-gating.
• Waiting for the driver to stop at a place such as an ammunation and attacking then, without the drive-bying.
• Requesting a Hydra or a Hunter to take out the suspect's car on their cop radio.

I really don't think it's on for cops to be allowed to drive-by as driver in a bike, although your idea of the balancing act in determining what can be allowed and what can not is very thoughtful by weighing up if a glitch's advantages can be eliminated by other factors. I just don't think that it will work in practice. Yes, rules should be flexible as you mentioned but do you not think that the fact there's now a rule where cops can drive-by as drive-by on bikes however not on cars but can drive-by as passenger whilst on both bikes and in cars yet civilians and suspects not being allowed to drive-by as driver in either bikes or cars despite being able to drive-by as passengers in both bikes and cars is slightly contradictory?

Not at all.
Rule is very simple. Drive by as driver is not allowed. Exception, cop on bike.

Of course you can try to reverse it to complicate it.

Your reasoning:
- Megaphone : reaction of suspect is he can do nothing
- Forcing: bike against car is no match.
- tailgating: will take minimal 20 minutes until fuel runs out.
- waiting for a driver to stop: see the above point
- calling backup : usually backup will not arrive, and repeated location is hard during a careful chase.

The rule is simple, reasoning solid.

[Gandalf]

When you see me and Violet agreeing on an issue, that means its definitely the ultimate logic.

With common seance, if cops or other law force members, are allowed to drive-by as drivers on bikes, then all others(Criminals, and civilians) should be able the same.
Violet already mention the hitman example, what if  a suspect is being shot by a cop on bike who's going driectly toward him (Which is likely to happen with this rule), and just using auto-aim glitch to get an magnificent advantage?

You say that criminals should not suppose to use it , cause its not their part to go around shooting people, but the same can apply on cops, so if they can use it ( by this they can also abuse it), so should cirminals/citizens be allowed to, if they abuse it, it ends up in punishment, in the same way as cops would get.

Half of ARPD is using auto-aim already (Check most of SASD SACS videos on youtube) , this is just too much.

The logic is extremely one-sided in relation to this. If suspects do not wish to fight or run, the cop has no reason to use the driveby.
A hitman is not supposed to work as Nigga-Rambo, but to use skills in order to kill without getting in trouble.

Cops are supposed to stop fleeing suspects, and will always be provided with the means to do so. As a single cop on a bike has no means to stop fleeing suspects other than driveby, it is the ultimate logic that it is allowed.

[Gandalf]

So why can't criminals on a motorbike, while chasing someone, use driver DB?
Or is it ANOTHER Cop/Criminal inequality?

Because criminals should not chase.

[TruthSvensson]

Because criminals should not chase.

What if a hitman is chasing his victim?

[Gandalf]

What if a hitman is chasing his victim?

See my post to Violet.

[BlackBird]

A hitman is not supposed to work as Nigga-Rambo, but to use skills in order to kill without getting in trouble.

On the lighter side of things, this part of your post, is absolutely hilarious..just saying.

Anyway, rules are rules guys, why the fuck is driveby for driver such a big fucking deal for criminals anyway?
You guys lived without for years, and all of a sudden you finally figure out the real definition of the rule and suddenly it changes everything?
It's only fair, in case you haven't noticed, and this isn't meant to offend arpd, but they suck at teamwork, majority of freecops refuse to help for the greater good, and majority of officers are stuckup and to busy criticizing freecops. They few that actually work as cops, do it alone majority of the time, and majority of the time in pd cars, not bikes, so whats the big fucking deal?
Are you all capable of carrying on like you all have for years, or are you gonna regress back to a fetal position in your mothers womb whining about something that has ALWAYS been allowed? Theres no changing this rule, theres no chance of changing any rule, that has been made perfectly clear.
Fucking be creative, and stop fucking moaning.

[Daco]

Heeey, debate but do not flame.

[Petar]

- Forcing: bike against car is no match.

Cops have cars too . Why not get one ?

A hitman is not supposed to work as Nigga-Rambo

And cops should ?

Because criminals should not chase.

Example: Gvardia vs Diablos. Gvardia kills all Diablos, except Pablo, who is in a BMX jumping like a bunny.

Criminals shouldn't chase ? I wouldn't agree.

[RafaDK]

Now cops can driveby as driver ?!?

1st - Cop bikes are fast.
2nd - I got rammed by bikes lots of times if you can't use a car like criminals.
3rd - DB as driver is like an autoaim.
4th - COPS have DB as drivers allowed since on bikes... Criminals can't even enter in a bike because admins thought unfair to cop side and now you guys give them DB as drivers.....

[sarcasm]Yup, seams fair.[/sarcasm] -.-

[Flash]

Rafael is right, atleast allow bikes for criminals.

[Jcstodds]

  I do not support any such "driveby as driver" rule. Really it's not the rule itself but the implications. Firstly as a cop, I would not want such a powerful weapon against criminals, it will make them angry and shoot back - throwing away any RP that could have happened. Also I fully support patrolling with a friend or something, which you can do on a bike. Drive-by as driver promotes lone patrolling which is neither as fun nor effective as team work and presents unfair advantages over other players.

  The main abuse I see from this is cops 'accidentally' shooting criminals dead with rapid fire auto aim caused by drive by.

[BKP]

Now cops will take a bike and go driveby some orange dudes  :ram: