SAMP Rules

[Jubin]

What about when there is single bikecop and a single criminal in a car( situation where I find myself several times). Now how can a criminal defend himself/herself when a bikercop is shooting his/her car?

[Frank_Hawk]

A majority of this topic relates to having a larger voice of view which can be addressed and covered in this SA:MP idea:

The criminal segment of Argonath represents a diverse portfolio of players ranging from different backgrounds with contrasting approaches and unique models. Through the growing commitment towards the diversification of the criminal society, it has been provisionally agreed that it is now feasible for the construction of a criminal body to represent official criminal groups of Argonath.

The commission (criminal body of Argonath) will represent all criminal groups and act as a 'one voice' for criminals to voice their views, concerns and queries to. The commission will be primarily responsible for overseeing the official groups of Argonath - its role will include: voting new official groups in, voting out existing ones and agreeing on rules which will be enforced in the official groups. The hierachical positioning of the comission will align with the SAPD command. The commission will be limited to five leaders (official group leaders) along with non-executives managers and leaders playing consultation roles. Decisions will be made based on majority voting where all appointees will be expected to participate in professionally.

The official criminal groups of Argonath will be controlled and monitored by the commission based on a variety of factors which include: achieving excellence, communication, working together, understanding issues and finding solutions together.  The objective of the official criminal groups of Argonath is to add another tier to the structural hierarchy. The groups should be admired, celebrated and highlighted as the benchmark and rolemodels of criminal activity throughout Argonath. They should serve as entity that developing players aim of achieving in their Argonath career.

Hierachy of structure for criminals
1. Commission (criminal body of Argonath) - Direction, influence, support, development, benchmark and rolemodels.
2. Official criminal groups - Supporting comission values, adhering to regulations and supporting non-official groups.
3. Non official groups - Working in aspiration of achieving official recognition.

Through the trust that is expected to be ascertained, we expect to release a number of restricted weapons such as rocket launchers, chainsaws, firebombs, grenades and satchels to the official groups based on their commitment and adherence to the following enforcements:

- Stringent rule abiding enforced throughout the group
     - This includes moaning to be forbidden in /p.
     - Script adherence in protocol with existing rules.
     - Compliance with all commission regulations.
     - Aligning with a positive and constructive atmosphere.

New and regular player commitment
     - Open, transparent, friendly, approachable and helpful.
     - Committing to their development regardless of impact on you.
     - Nurturing in line with Argonath vision.

Cohesion
    - Working together with admins on issues/concerns/queries.
    - Working together with other official group members on issues
    - Working together with SAPD command on concerns/queries
    - Establishing a friendly and common vision for the future
    - Sportsmanship (An attitude for fair play, courtesy toward opponents, ethical behaviour, integrity and grace in losing.)

The commission and official criminal groups will be determined on a number of factors which include: rule abiding, new player commitment, working together with others, friendliness, conduct and general communication attitude (/cb, /pm and /p). Whilst contrary to belief, it will not depend on the traditional heritage in Argonath whilst it may be taken into account.

The proposition above is preliminary and subject to change without notice.

Please contribute to whether you support and in addition how it may be improved.

Building on the above idea and the good positive feedback we have recieved. We are now moving to accomodate groups by facilitating an area which ideas can flourish through contrasting views and constructive debates. A.R.U.N (Argonath United Nations) will be reintroduced containing the above idea to motivate and encourage commitment in bid of self-improvement.  In the weeks ahead, we will be rolling out A.R.U.N (subject to calibration) in hope of gaining strong uptake from group leaders to form a solid foundation of strength. It is in your interest to continue suggesting ideas in the above SA:MP idea topic as it will be taken into consideration and may be implemented under the A.R.U.N brand of development.

[RafaDK]

Now cops will take a bike and go driveby some orange dudes  :ram:

And you think that right ?

[Pandalink]

Because susects are not supposed to run around shooting at everything.

So wait, a mafia member chasing another mafia member (for example) may not break the driver driveby rule, but a cop chasing a suspect may?
I try to never say it outright, since nobody likes people who say what everyone is thinking, but I must ask - why are the server owners so clearly pro-cop?

there is no other way a single cop on a bike can stop a suspect in a car.

That is incorrect. You can lag ram cars quite easily in bikes.

[BlackEagle]

Excuse me, but this "cop drive-by" rule is bullshit.
Edit

As for Pro-cop, yeh we are next week allowing all cops to use the hydra, hunter, rhino and rocket launchers. Criminals and citizens will be limited to colts.

Don't forget giving them permission to hack!

[Gandalf]

So wait, a mafia member chasing another mafia member (for example) may not break the driver driveby rule, but a cop chasing a suspect may?
I try to never say it outright, since nobody likes people who say what everyone is thinking, but I must ask - why are the server owners so clearly pro-cop?


That is incorrect. You can lag ram cars quite easily in bikes.

People seem to act as if it is anew rule. On the contrary this rule has existed since SA:MP 0.1b and is not going to change no makker how much criminals whine about it.

Perhaps the constant attempts by criminals to get more advantages for their trade has brought up this rule. Sorry. Don;t like it, ask SAPD to limit the driveby ability  so that only freecops are allowed to do it.

As for Pro-cop, yeh we are next week allowing all cops to use the hydra, hunter, rhino and rocket launchers. Criminals and citizens will be limited to colts.

[Gandalf]

What about when there is single bikecop and a single criminal in a car( situation where I find myself several times). Now how can a criminal defend himself/herself when a bikercop is shooting his/her car?

By stopping the car and shooting ?

[Gandalf]

Example: Gvardia vs Diablos. Gvardia kills all Diablos, except Pablo, who is in a BMX jumping like a bunny.

Criminals shouldn't chase ? I wouldn't agree.

If he is suspected, he has no business driving the BMX. If not, you can use a car to stop him.. can;t get him ? then you know why suspects are not allowed to use them.

[Pandalink]

Perhaps the constant attempts by criminals to get more advantages for their trade has brought up this rule.

And yet attempts by police to get advantages for their trade are met with solutions.

[Gandalf]

And yet attempts by police to get advantages for their trade are met with solutions.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
srsly ?

[Pandalink]

Yes.

I could make such an incredibly long list of police scripts, but would find it difficult to even justify using bullet points for a list of suspect scripts. For criminal group scripts, I would not even need a list - there is only one and that is also shared with clans.

[BlackBird]

A majority of this topic relates to having a larger voice of view which can be addressed and covered in this SA:MP idea:

Building on the above idea and the good positive feedback we have recieved. We are now moving to accomodate groups by facilitating an area which ideas can flourish through contrasting views and constructive debates. A.R.U.N (Argonath United Nations) will be reintroduced containing the above idea to motivate and encourage commitment in bid of self-improvement.  In the weeks ahead, we will be rolling out A.R.U.N (subject to calibration) in hope of gaining strong uptake from group leaders to form a solid foundation of strength. It is in your interest to continue suggesting ideas in the above SA:MP idea topic as it will be taken into consideration and may be implemented under the A.R.U.N brand of development.

I Actually don't support this.
This will only lead to more moaning among criminals and the same discrimination that exists inside arpd when someone trys to rp something.
'Your not official why should we give a fuck" Would become the new slogan of criminal groups. Brilliant idea frank, lets endorse more moaning and problems then there currently are.

[Maladoi]

Suspects can't ride bikes , okay , i understand its hard for cops to ram off someone from the bike , especially if the person in cause lags ... but a rule giving the cops ability to DDB on police bikes only is BS srsly.. Bring the bikes back to suspects then as an equal rule ... Soo many advantages for the cops , they have scripted ways of earning cash , now this easy way of killing anyone ? I was unarmed and wasn't moving when suddenly a cop on a motorbike came to me and started DDB'ing i reported him the admin told me its ok .. nice , ain't it ?

[Oliver]

srsly ?

Why can't suspects ride bikes?

[Vince]

Why can't suspects ride bikes?

They can..?