SAMP Rules

[Hawks]

Hopefully this reminder will be heeded by all!

U SHULD READ IT FG

[Aksel]

U SHULD READ IT FG

Just stop.

[Violet]

A hitman is not chasing a wanted suspect. Do not try to twist rules to your advantage, people got banned for that.

.Make up rules as we go along ?

The only people who wish to make up rules as they go along are our beloved players....

What is the correlation between me talking about hitmans and bending the rules for myself...?
You don't know for sure that the hitman's target isn't a suspect, they may well be.

If they do not give up? you can use any kind of tactic to stop the car with criminals... I hardly see any other way to stop a car, being chase it on bike and being alone...

You see, Aragorn's post only explicitly mentions that a cop is allowed to chase a suspect in a car on a bike.

For

'Can use any kind of tactic to stop the car with criminals'

to be linked to it being acceptable for cops to drive-by as driver when on a bike, I think if you use this phrase as loosely as you have done, it might as well mean that you can do anything to stop the suspect, and this may include freezing him if you are an admin, hacking the suspect's account, speed,weapon and teleport hacking as evidently, the no drive-by as driver rule is a rule just like no hacking is a rule.

I'll repeat my question incase you did not read it. Why did you, any other manager or member of HQ not tell the admins on the server to stop admin punishing cops who drive-byed suspects on a bike when they did it whilst you were in-game or when you were checking the logs?

Check my quote of aragorn in 2007. Perhaps that was before your time here.

In the United Kingdom, March comes before October :cowb:.


I'm not debating the rule with you to get the rule on my advantage, I am simply trying to clarify the reasoning behind this.
If there is a rule, then the administration should be informing the players of it. There should have been greater communication between the people making the rules and those who have to follow and enforce them. If the players and admins didn't know about the rule, then in my opinion it's your obligation to ensure that they are lead to the existence of the rule. I think that this is definitely something that the whole community, including the developers must learn from.

Let's just keep it as it is. All of you are making a fool out of yourself, except those who's defending the current rules.

Lock please, before another big conversation starts.

Read the paragraph above your quote in my post and if you want to come here telling people that they appear to be stupid then for your information it's 'who are' not 'who's'. There is nothing wrong with 'big conversation', I am against flaming but there is nothing wrong with debate in my eyes as it clears up any misunderstandings that anyone has if done properly. If you have a problem with that, you're not obliged to post.

[Gandalf]

What is the correlation between me talking about hitmans and bending the rules for myself...?
You don't know for sure that the hitman's target isn't a suspect, they may well be.

From the moment you became aware of the rule, you start making demands it should be given free. That is a classic example of trying to twist the rules in ones favour.

You see, Aragorn's post only explicitly mentions that a cop is allowed to chase a suspect in a car on a bike.

For 
to be linked to it being acceptable for cops to drive-by as driver when on a bike, I think if you use this phrase as loosely as you have done, it might as well mean that you can do anything to stop the suspect, and this may include freezing him if you are an admin, hacking the suspect's account, speed,weapon and teleport hacking as evidently, the no drive-by as driver rule is a rule just like no hacking is a rule.

Again an example of not being able to read comprehensive. Instead of just reading the answer, read the question and you will see it is exactly answering the driveby.

I'll repeat my question incase you did not read it. Why did you, any other manager or member of HQ not tell the admins on the server to stop admin punishing cops who drive-byed suspects on a bike when they did it whilst you were in-game or when you were checking the logs?

In the United Kingdom, March comes before October :cowb:.

Why did not any admin or moderator ever repeated this question until now ?
We expect our admins to know the rules, and not to create their own.

I'm not debating the rule with you to get the rule on my advantage, I am simply trying to clarify the reasoning behind this.

That is why you are constantly pointing out that criminals should have equal right to an exception ?

If there is a rule, then the administration should be informing the players of it. There should have been greater communication between the people making the rules and those who have to follow and enforce them. If the players and admins didn't know about the rule, then in my opinion it's your obligation to ensure that they are lead to the existence of the rule. I think that this is definitely something that the whole community, including the developers must learn from.

We can not be responsible for the ignorance of players.
We have had running topics since 2007 where players can ask clarification of situations should they have any doubt about rules. There are similar topics in the administration.

Like in real life. You are supposed to know the law of a country, and ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law.

[Pandalink]

We expect our admins to know the rules, and not to create their own.

Would help if you actually gave the admins the rules then.
Admins each have their own policies, since there are no official ones for many issues.
Since this driveby rule was never stated in the past, admins have been punishing for it. For years. Surely this should have been stopped if "the rule has always existed".

Like in real life. You are supposed to know the law of a country, and ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law.

If the law in real life was enforced like the rules on the server, then you'd only find out you were breaking the law when you got arrested for breaking it. This is flawed.

[SargentJosh]

You guys are drving ArgonathRPG towards a crash with the wall. Stop complaining now whilst you still have the joys of playing on this server. The community was built on and for friendships. Not who is 1337 or who presses the biggest issue.

The rules are how they are and are not up to you. Deal with it.

[Gandalf]

If the law in real life was enforced like the rules on the server, then you'd only find out you were breaking the law when you got arrested for breaking it. This is flawed.

Not flawed at all. Most new players learn the rules only by breaking them. Else the unban request topics wold be much less.

[Romeo]

Yesterday I asked two admins if cops were allowed to DB as a driver on motorbikes.

One said Yes.
One said No.

Obviously even our beloved admins don't know what the fuck is going on.
How can you say that's not flawed?

[Gandalf]

Yesterday I asked two admins if cops were allowed to DB as a driver on motorbikes.

One said Yes.
One said No.

Obviously even our beloved admins don't know what the f**k is going on.
How can you say that's not flawed?

It is. But if all admins would follow our policies the complaint mail would be filled up daily.

[Romeo]

It is. But if all admins would follow our policies the complaint mail would be filled up daily.

So you'd rather everyone was confused, than have your mail spammed with valid reports?

[Gandalf]

So you'd rather everyone was confused, than have your mail spammed with valid reports?

The reports would not be valid, as most would be made by players who think they know better as admins.

[Romeo]

Well some of them obviously do, as alot of players seem to know the rules better than the admins do. [[ not saying everyone, but alot do. ]]

[Gandalf]

Well some of them obviously do, as alot of players seem to know the rules better than the admins do. something werid not saying everyone, but alot do. something weird

something weird ??
Seems you use forbidden things on forum.
As for some knowing the rules better as admins, I have not seen their applications. Or they were judged as not fit to be admin.

[Romeo]

btw, you spelled weird wrong. "Werid". 

[Gandalf]

btw, you spelled weird wrong. "Werid". 

That is to make a difference between opening and closing  :razz: