"You may not paint public service vehicles" WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT? (/carpaint)

[David_Omid]

The restriction to /carpaint was scripted and added by me. Why? Well here's the story...

A long time ago CBFASI gave red unrestricted FBI Ranchers to firemen as they are very useful. The problem was that civilians (in this case, people with white names) and non-FBI police units would steal these FBI Ranchers, paint them black and then impersonate FBI.

The FBI complained (as they would, these people were giving them a bad name and image as sometimes it was convincing that these people were actually official FBI members), which caused a lot of controversy among players and administration.

Nobody knew if this was against the rules or just suspectable.

CBFASI removed the red FBI Ranchers and said that they will not be added again unless the fireman vehicles are added to the lock system.



Recently, due to popular demand, I added the fireman and medic vehicles to the lock system so that only fireman and medics can use them. I therefore was able to add a lot more vehicles for them as they can't be stolen by everyone. Some of these vehicles were red fireman and blue and white paramedic FBI Ranchers.

What happened?

People went on fireman or paramedic duty, took a federal rancher, painted it black, impersonated FBI, causing FBI to complain to administration again.

I originally told FBI members to suspect all people who impersonate them but they weren't satisfied with this advice as to them, this is like impersonating an individual player, which is against the rules.


I talked to Gandalf about this and he suggested that administration should deal with these situations but if no administrators were online, only then should FBI suspect them. He then suggested that I made some restrictions.

What sort of restrictions were suggested?

Well Gandalf suggested that I made a /banfireman and /banmedic JUST to stop people from using the FBI Ranchers, which I was not going to do as there is no way I am going to increase the amount of "OMG admins ban player XXX from duty".

When I told Gandalf this he said "it's better to ban them from duty than from the server " so I came up with another idea.

The idea was to restrict /carpaint, he agreed and so did other members of administration.


Some might ask why I restricted all public service vehicles and not just the FBI Ranchers, well my response to that is that the exact same thing can be done for other vehicles like Raindances, and I would rather not add individual vehicles to the system every time we add new ones which can be abused, plus the fact that now everyone can fully understand that abusing our systems is serious and will be dealt with severely.

/carpaint will not be returning for public service vehicles, although at some point in the future there may be an alternative...


If you have any complaints about this decision then by all means report me to [email protected] but please keep in mind that I am only following orders

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[Gandalf]

First of all I would like to add that David is one of our most active members on the scripting team.

However as far as judgement on misuse of scripts goes he does not have any say, this rests with the developers and leaders. There for the first mistake that people made lies in requesting ruling from David instead of from the developers.

Next I personally regret having the /carpaint restricted. However if people go on medic or firemen duty not to play medic or fireman, but to impersonate the FBI ranchers, we have two options. Either ban them from the server, or make sure they can not use it.

Now it seems that people take this as it not being allowed to impersonate FBI agents, which is untrue. What is not allowed is to impersonate the vehicles, as these vehicles are for restricted duty.
Actually this is a disadvantage for the FBI if they would look at it carefully.
As nobody on server can drive a black Rancher, the only person driving it will be the FBI, meaning anyone driving will be noticed as FBI agent.

I re-opened the topic so that the original poster and others can contribute ideas on how to bring back the painting while still being able to fight misuse of scripted ranchers.

[Chase]

Let the flame / moan war commence!

I can smell it coming...

[Mikro]

I think /carpaint should come back for all vehicles. I never wanted it to be gone. People should be free to use it.


And about those comments about the FBI, I am seriously almost:   

[rJCaiG]

Restrict it for medic & Fire vehicles but allow it for police vehicles?...

[Mafs]

Wanted to post something, but Giac had an even better idea...

I hope your install fails Giac  :devroll:

[Sprunk]

Then unallow this for FBI Ranchers! People can't use cop cars to RP immigration patrol etc.

[Jcstodds]

  Thank you for re opening the topic Gandalf. Although it was you and possibly some others who allowed this to happen, I am sad to think he would even suggest such a thing and hence the initial resentment.

  As I understand the abuse comes from the following things:

- Medics painting FBI rangers and only FBI are allowed black FBI Rangers.
- Firemen painting FBI rangers and only FBI are allowed black FBI Rangers.
- Same thing happening with raindance helis.
- Same thing happening with SWAT colours.

  Is this the very core of this abuse?
 
  And the bottom line is that SAPD has nothing to do with this abuse yet has the most members and most influence, and therefore receives the largest impact.

  Before I put forward any of my suggestions I just want to clarify the above so I actually know what the hell is going on!

[Jamba]

Giac, you might have a good way to solving this. I agree.

[SafetyMoose]

NPS cant paint our PD cars green enymore 

[Gandalf]

  Thank you for re opening the topic Gandalf. Although it was you and possibly some others who allowed this to happen, I am sad to think he would even suggest such a thing and hence the initial resentment.

  As I understand the abuse comes from the following things:

- Medics painting FBI rangers and only FBI are allowed black FBI Rangers.
- Firemen painting FBI rangers and only FBI are allowed black FBI Rangers.
- Same thing happening with raindance helis.
- Same thing happening with SWAT colours.

  Is this the very core of this abuse?
 
  And the bottom line is that SAPD has nothing to do with this abuse yet has the most members and most influence, and therefore receives the largest impact.

  Before I put forward any of my suggestions I just want to clarify the above so I actually know what the hell is going on!

This is indeed correct.
Regarding suggestions that may seem simple, understand that for the script to recognize a certain car model (Rancher) is more complicated as to recognize a certain group (official cars) due to the construction of scripts.

A simple looking solution is not always simple.

[Sprunk]

It's not that hard, example script...

Code: [Select]

new PaintingCar;
new UnallowedModel1;
PaintingCar = GetPlayerVehicleID(playerid);
UnallowedModel1 = 490;
if(GetVehicleModel(PaintingCar) == 490)
{
SendClientMessage(playerid,COLOR,"This vehicle can't be painted due abuzing ppl >:(");
return 1;
}else{
//Painting code goes here!
}
This is a script I made in 1 mins D:

[rJCaiG]

NPS cant paint our PD cars green enymore 

You mean DPD's Angel Pine cars that you borrow.

[Chase]

I'd like to let everyone know that the FBI intended to ONLY restrict painting FD and EMS ranchers FBI-Black(0,0). We did not want it to affect police cars, ambulances, firetrucks, and other emergency vehicles from getting painted. The restriction to ALL emergency vehicles was developers decision only.

If you wanted to 'roleplay' impersonating FBI, then sorry, blame it on the people who moaned constantly when we suspected them for impersonation. If people didn't moan after being suspected for impersonating federal agents, then we probably wouldn't have requested the restriction.

So really, all else I have to say here is: Abuse it, you loose it.

[el_boricua56]

Originally we dealt with the problem by suspecting the people that were impersonating the FBI with Black Ranchers.

However the usual response after being suspected was to claim abuse of police powers. Apart from that we were called abusers and the people that were impersonating us kept moaning that the crime was invalid. I personally heard arguments saying that if the command inst restricted then they can paint their Rancher whatever color they want.

To blame this on FBI is ridiculous, if there is someone responsible for this then that's the people that yelled abuse when they were suspected after impersonating the FBI.

The sad part about this restriction is cops being unable to paint their cars.

And to clarify to some people, we are also affected because now we can't paint our black premiers for undercover work.