"You may not paint public service vehicles" WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT? (/carpaint)

[Chase]

So you're saying carpaint will be allowed to all cars except FBI rancher?  :conf:

Or carpaint will be allowed only to Federal rancher?

[el_boricua56]

It has everything to do with FBI. If FBI were not so uptight about their skins and cars then there would be no such problem. Of course people can RP FBI as civilians, but not as law enforcement. This is what it boils down to no matter what. Everyone tolerates this, it has become accepted over time. I have disagreed with it forever, however since I would rarely RP FBI anyway I don't really care about it. Some people like to RP FBI, but are ridiculed and distrusted as they have to take on civilian skin. (Remember UC and civilian FBI skins are relatively new since FBI started).

Anyone that wants to become part of the FBI have the opportunity to apply.

It was always gonna happen - and now it has - the point where someone wants to RP FBI without being official but cannot due to the restrictions caused by the official FBI.

The main reason for FBI to be restricted is to assure that investigations are conducted fairly without any influence from the criminal world.

If people want to impersonate FBI then they should know that there will be "rp" consequences.

No one is saying you did this on purpose, but this issue has arose directly from FBI not wanting to share. The damage has already done. If you were to allow FBI (and SWAT) skins to all cops, for the first 3 weeks you will have millions of agents and SWAT guys running around and all would be chaotic. Eventually though it would normalise similar to RS1 where the people who wanted to RP FBI and SWAT would do so, and everyone else will get bored and RP what they usually do.

Not wanting to share is quite a wrong description. FBI have no problem with other groups using the FBI Rancher.
For example, Swat have FBI ranchers since months ago but they never tried to impersonate us.

If you propose for FBI not to be restricted, then I propose that all criminals groups should be unrestricted.
That way I rp a Corleone today and next day I'll be a Gvardia and so on.

If FBI did not moan about people pretending to be FBI vehicles, scripters would never have to even do this. They did it for FBI sake only because you didn't like the moans from what I have read. Quite right that you don't want people wrongly calling you abusers... but really... do you need script support to stop something so minor?!

You are calling the FBI group moaners. May you provide evidence of our moaning regarding the situation?

We merely reported the situation to developers, because we were being called abusers constantly by enforcing the law.
I consider that it was not tolerable for us to receive the moaning from those paramedics/medics that couldn't accept the rp consequences of their actions.

Maybe people should learn to accept the consequence of their "rp" actions instead of constantly moaning and calling us abusers because we arrested them for impersonating the FBI. I don't see any wrong action from our side, and I don't see why we should tolerate any bullshit from people moaning that we were abusing.

So I consider that we did the right thing by reporting to developers. Or it would have been better to argue back and provoke a flame war? Or maybe come to the forums to flame and moan like many others?

Developers considered this as their best solution for the moment. And yes FBI also got affected because as I said earlier, we cannot paint our black premiers anymore.

[Oliver]

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[David_Omid]

This discussion no longer has to continue as you can now use /carpaint in all vehicles except Federal Ranchers

[SavioR88]

I'd like to let everyone know that the FBI intended to ONLY restrict painting FD and EMS ranchers FBI-Black(0,0). We did not want it to affect police cars, ambulances, firetrucks, and other emergency vehicles from getting painted. The restriction to ALL emergency vehicles was developers decision only.

Are you ****** or what ? I dont care about your ranchers and your color black, what you think FBI is popular because they have their own jackets and their cars and some hq ? srsly but i dont care about FBI, and about the question are you ****** or what ? when someone drive the rancher (black one ) the driver is (medic or fireman ) you cant distinguish their color names if they are MEDIC or FIREMAN or FBI.

One my advice , if you cant distinguish the colors there are also glasses to help you.


( And i know that i will receive an warring for this but i am only honest and i dont asslicking just telling the truth )

Please watch your language, Tai

[cumbia_chorra]

Its okay that you guys give your opinions and else, but cant you just low down the volume a little bit? Cant you just have an argument without having to flame the other person, even if you disagree with someone.

[Mikro]

If I may say a word...

*Loud applaud*

OMG ITS THE KING SLASH FREECOP CHIEF

Eh? And now your word?  :trust:

[SavioR88]

I agree with Curse too !! Go FREECOP CHIEF

[Myggen]

I don't understand why you say we don't RP.

We use hours to set up cases, write reports and a lot more
just to get a RP scene that may a few minutes.

Think..

[Chase]

All you did there curse is showed that you never deserved to be in the FBI in the past.

We had scripters permission to suspect anyone in a black medical rancher, and arrest them for impersonating a federal agent.

You want evidence of that too? Sure, a screenshot of the PM David sent to Fernando will do.



We don't need to provide evidence when we arrest you for driving a black rancher.... because you were driving a black rancher. If you don't think its a law... Ask an admin or high rank chief. Fernando was one of them that arrested you. He's FBI director and knows the laws. Jaaskaa is a judge and assistant director. If we are unsure of a law, we ask Jaaskaa before suspecting. We did that too.

If there was to be 'free federal agents' duty, then scripters would make it. Don't use scripts for what they're not intended to do.

You can go ahead and criticize the FBI, but carpaint on all the emergency ranchers are restricted now. So honestly we don't give a f*ck about your criticism because you might as well criticize developers for scripting the restriction too. But we don't care. Criticize FBI, but not developers, because you know that criticizing developers will only result to you getting punished. I can tell you right now that people who leave are always welcome back.... if they stay out of trouble. But as said, you've shown that you never deserved to even step in the FBI suit, and you never will from now on.

Don't wanna get arrested? Don't interfere with our arrests or you will be just as guilty as the suspect.

Go ahead and keep criticizing me and the FBI. It will end up with no response from me, Fernando, or Jaaskaa. Instead, it will be printed off, used as toilet paper, and flushed, as that's where all criticism, especially yours, belongs.

:ps: Freecop not Freeagent or whatever.

[[NP]Monte Montague]

Eh? And now your word?  :trust:

actually accidently posted that post early :P.


If I may say a word...

[Loudapplause]

OMG ITS THE KING SLASH FREECOP CHIEF [NP]InfernalCurse.

[/loadapplause]

Ty Ty.

Ty, ty ,ty. Yes, ty, ty ty, ty. Ok, now lets get down to business.


The FBI's selfish + blatant disregard for the community is to blame.

I held a lengthy investigation of a medic who painted his EMS rancher black.
Mr FBI Agent Louis constantly disrespected me, and did not provide any evidence or valid items of why he could not paint his rancher Black.

I was apart of the FBI, I got a ribbon for excellent service, I had to leave for personal / health reasons, and was not accepted back.

The FBI has changed from what it used to be, there are leaders of the FBI who have let some of there members think they are rulers, they've disrespected many, and still get away with it.

Now to why this silly action should just be undone, and some views for consideration.

- ArgonathRPG is a liberal RP community, thus people should be allowed to RP what they want, as the FBI is a well known, world over organisation, the "Official" FBI should not discourage people from rping the role.
- It upsets a lot of people; are there more upset people now then the moaners before the action was taken?

--

I agree 100% with Chuck. Deny Freecops from using Police vehicles, because the ARPD uses them also.

Although I did not see at first why EMS needed Federal ranchers, I do not see why they should not be allowed to paint them what ever colour they want.

I remember from the FBI procedures, it states something like: "The FBI uses Federal Ranchers coloured to blend in with the surrounding", so really, they should not stick to there dull black, but should actually rp being secretive.

Anyone that wants to become part of the FBI have the opportunity to apply.

Hi Fernado, dont see you much on these forums.

That's bullshit. Anyone who leaves the FBI for any reason whatsoever will be expected and not welcomed to join back. It's complete and utter crap.

If you think all other groups should be unrestricted, start from FBI, there was a newbie who didn't know there would be "serious rp consequences" for rping FBI , he rp'd it, and was shot dead.  Bravo.





BTW.

I wish to know what Gandalf has to say regarding the matter.

The FBI has said continuously they've received orders from the Government regarding Suspection of people who paint FBI ranchers black.

Here is the evidence of them continuously saying so in the investigation I held, which is still on going, but they've still yet to give the evidence / proper recording.



http://img442.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=samp259i.png
 

All you did there curse is showed that you never deserved to be in the FBI in the past.

We had scripters permission to suspect anyone in a black medical rancher, and arrest them for impersonating a federal agent.

You want evidence of that too? Sure, a screenshot of the PM David sent to Fernando will do.



We don't need to provide evidence when we arrest you for driving a black rancher.... because you were driving a black rancher. If you don't think its a law... Ask an admin or high rank chief. Fernando was one of them that arrested you. He's FBI director and knows the laws. Jaaskaa is a judge and assistant director. If we are unsure of a law, we ask Jaaskaa before suspecting. We did that too.

If there was to be 'free federal agents' duty, then scripters would make it. Don't use scripts for what they're not intended to do.

You can go ahead and criticize the FBI, but carpaint on all the emergency ranchers are restricted now. So honestly we don't give a f*ck about your criticism because you might as well criticize developers for scripting the restriction too. But we don't care. Criticize FBI, but not developers, because you know that criticizing developers will only result to you getting punished. I can tell you right now that people who leave are always welcome back.... if they stay out of trouble. But as said, you've shown that you never deserved to even step in the FBI suit, and you never will from now on.

Don't wanna get arrested? Don't interfere with our arrests or you will be just as guilty as the suspect.

Go ahead and keep criticizing me and the FBI. It will end up with no response from me, Fernando, or Jaaskaa. Instead, it will be printed off, used as toilet paper, and flushed, as that's where all criticism, especially yours, belongs.

:ps: Freecop not Freeagent or whatever.

Total bull crap sir.

IF driving a black FBI rancher is il-legal, then so should Premier, because FBI uses that too, and oh the rain-dance aswell.

[Chase]

Thanks for the extra toilet paper.

[el_boricua56]

actually accidently posted that post early :P.


If I may say a word...

[Loudapplause]

OMG ITS THE KING SLASH FREECOP CHIEF [NP]InfernalCurse.

[/loadapplause]

Ty Ty.

Ty, ty ,ty. Yes, ty, ty ty, ty. Ok, now lets get down to business.


The FBI's selfish + blatant disregard for the community is to blame.

I held a lengthy investigation of a medic who painted his EMS rancher black.
Mr FBI Agent Louis constantly disrespected me, and did not provide any evidence or valid items of why he could not paint his rancher Black.

I was apart of the FBI, I got a ribbon for excellent service, I had to leave for personal / health reasons, and was not accepted back.

The FBI has changed from what it used to be, there are leaders of the FBI who have let some of there members think they are rulers, they've disrespected many, and still get away with it.

Now to why this silly action should just be undone, and some views for consideration.

- ArgonathRPG is a liberal RP community, thus people should be allowed to RP what they want, as the FBI is a well known, world over organisation, the "Official" FBI should not discourage people from rping the role.
- It upsets a lot of people; are there more upset people now then the moaners before the action was taken?

--

I agree 100% with Chuck. Deny Freecops from using Police vehicles, because the ARPD uses them also.

Although I did not see at first why EMS needed Federal ranchers, I do not see why they should not be allowed to paint them what ever colour they want.

I remember from the FBI procedures, it states something like: "The FBI uses Federal Ranchers coloured to blend in with the surrounding", so really, they should not stick to there dull black, but should actually rp being secretive.

Hi Fernado, dont see you much on these forums.

That's bullshit. Anyone who leaves the FBI for any reason whatsoever will be expected and not welcomed to join back. It's complete and utter crap.

If you think all other groups should be unrestricted, start from FBI, there was a newbie who didn't know there would be "serious rp consequences" for rping FBI , he rp'd it, and was shot dead.  Bravo.





BTW.

I wish to know what Gandalf has to say regarding the matter.

The FBI has said continuously they've received orders from the Government regarding Suspection of people who paint FBI ranchers black.

Here is the evidence of them continuously saying so in the investigation I held, which is still on going, but they've still yet to give the evidence / proper recording.



http://img442.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=samp259i.png
 





Total bull crap sir.

IF driving a black FBI rancher is il-legal, then so should Premier, because FBI uses that too, and oh the rain-dance aswell.

Regarding that incident. Since you want the public to see.. then I won't oppose.

I will post the Official FBI response to a complaint filled by Piginawig regarding the same situations about FBI Ranchers.


Official Statement


First of all, it is known that in the State of San Andreas the only agency that uses Ranchers painted black is the FBI. The FBI Ranchers of medics, firefighters and swat are painted a different color for reason.

Moreover we've been receiving constant reports of some personnel of the EMS painting their Ranchers Black and claiming to be FBI agents. By the single fact that you are trying to appear as one of the official government agencies it establishes a crime of impersonation. If you don't represent an agency then don't try to look like it, or you will get in trouble.

To my understanding to tolerate such immature and irresponsible behavior of people that dare to impersonate us is a lack of respect. And all the weight of the law must fall on them. What do you pretend of us, to take no action and let anyone break the law by impersonating us?


To prove this point here..

I was then taken down to the Los Santos Police Station for investigation. Officer Curse investigated me and found me to be innocent due to lack of evidence. However, Agent Louis soon showed up and said I would not be getting an unsuspect.

Officer Curse acted very irresponsibly and made an irresponsible investigation by not listening to any of the allegations made by the FBI. Instead he decided to try and go his own way. The question should be.. why he was protecting you?  How can an officer find someone innocent after the suspect admits the crime?

Agent Fernando had claimed several times I had admitted to the crime, although I never had.

Later, while exercising my freedom of speech, I was almost dragged out of the seat I was in by the FBI agents.

If you are taking a complaint here, then you should be honest. Instead you come here bringing false accusations against us when we were merely doing our work. And then you try to call us liars.. Well, then explain this:





You claimed above that you never admitted, but as shown in the picture you did admitted it. 

This is the Officer Curse reaction when we try to explain our reasons. Totally non-cooperative behavior, when it's obvious that we had to be there because we were closely involved with the case.
Basically he tried to expel us from the LSPD so he could do whatever he wanted. What he did was not an attempt to find the truth, but instead he used his position to advance his agenda.



As shown in screenshots above the suspect admitted his crime. But then he changes his version..




This is a clear contradiction in the version of the suspect. Yet officer Curse continued with his hidden agenda and ignored all the signals of lies from the suspect. He refused to make a fair and responsible investigation.

Once again he confirms his intentions, he was determined to protect the suspect by Obstructing the Justice.
And stating that he will be the only one to make a decision, blatantly ignoring all the claims made by us.




Thanks to the cooperation of an off duty officer we were able to uncover a conspiracy made by Curse. He intended to use this civilian to kill an agent of the FBI during this process. He even offered money to the officer in exchange for the job. This will reveal who is the real Curse, and it might explain why he behaved in favor of covering a criminal. By going as far as wanting people death just to achieve his objectives.

See by yourself

[David_Omid]

Gandalf left this topic open so that a solution can be met between the players

A solution has already been met and this topic has moved to nothing but a pointless argument


/carpaint is now only restricted so that it can't be used in Federal Ranchers, no more discussion is needed as everyone is happy!

[rJCaiG]

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