Need clarification on "cant force RP rule"

[Oliver]

That's because people don't just evade the police to not get wanted.

Criminals' advantage on /su is that the cops have to see them. Cops can't /su someone who they can't see, one of the reasons is that they won't know your ID. And when you're not wanted, cops can't do anything to you. But you people are too busy focusing on what's going on AFTER getting suspected.

Your post makes no sense whatsoever - are you even aware of what the discussion is about?


ON A SIDE NOTE
I forego /su if a guy is shooting at me or just bunnyhop around and /su them with 'aojgiuhrg' or 'auirhgurgbdaf' or 'shot'.

[rJCaiG]

This topic does not cease to deliver my daily lulz

Gandalf I still love you

[Trobby888]

I thought this thread was just about clarifying the "cant force RP rule"?

[Altair_Carter]

We are a criminal group.... No we don't want to work with cops, it's part of our role play.

I'm sorry, but then you have no idea how a criminal group works.

[Altair_Carter]

ON A SIDE NOTE
I forego /su if a guy is shooting at me or just bunnyhop around and /su them with 'aojgiuhrg' or 'auirhgurgbdaf' or 'shot'.

I used it alot too back in the days.

[Jamal]

That's because people don't just evade the police to not get wanted.

Criminals' advantage on /su is that the cops have to see them. Cops can't /su someone who they can't see, one of the reasons is that they won't know your ID. And when you're not wanted, cops can't do anything to you. But you people are too busy focusing on what's going on AFTER getting suspected.

Have you read what the discussion about? its not WHEN /su is done, its just about /su itself... We can't actually avoid suspection because 1. cop can keep chasing us until he is close enough, and 2. he can request ''any officer who sees xx nearby SUSPECT HIM FOR xxxx'' and then they're fucked. There is no way to escape becoming an /su because the cops can move around, use cars, walk, etc, just like us, and they will always be able to find us.


Think of this: Your walking down a street.. Cop is near you. no one who is willing to give a shit about whats happening. cop can EASILY /su [yourid] assault on officer | if his HP is down some. And it is known the cop is always to be belived over the suspect (as a real rule, if im correct, and this is where the cops use to advantage), so the cop can just claim he really did hit him, AND since it's so unprepared screenshots would be hard to take, the most you could get is you not being close to the cop and getting suspected but they could easily object it because  you could have ran away and taken the screenshot.

There will most likely ALWAYS be a way for Cops to force roleplay, even if it is for something the suspected actually did, like if he is pulled over for the conspiracy to assault someone and needs brought in for questioning. Hmm, Forcing RP. If he refuses? /su him and take care of him... Forced roleplay. This is true to EVERY roleplay server which allows cops to make suspections, and really always will be.


I really like what Oliver quoted.. and he really shows his true color as a good player, very well said.

[Eugene]

I'm sorry, but then you have no idea how a criminal group works.

Lol.

[Altair_Carter]

Lol.

Wasn't adressed to you.

I don't think you need to get that explained.
But, if you need explanations how it a criminal group should work, I won't bother writing a book about it, as if:
1) You will say it's wrong
2) You will say it's stupid
3) You will disagree.
In any way possible. So suit yourselves.

[9r2e5i3k]

Your post makes no sense whatsoever - are you even aware of what the discussion is about?

You people keep going on how /su is "forcing rp".
Only ones I see moaning about it are KNOWN criminals, which are KNOWN to the cops to be dangerous and usually hostile.

Maybe if you don't want to be constantly suspected, leave your criminal group? You can still play with your friends afterwards, why wouldn't you be able to (unless the group has some kind of dumb restrictions with whom the members can play with).

I forego /su if a guy is shooting at me or just bunnyhop around and /su them with 'aojgiuhrg' or 'auirhgurgbdaf' or 'shot'.

Evading POLICE, not SHOTS.
What does being shot by a criminal have to do with evading the police? That kinda, dunno, excludes one another? Shooting cops isn't evading them. Shooting cops is a direct action to get suspected for. Or do you criminals want to shoot the police without getting suspected?

We can't actually avoid suspection because 1. cop can keep chasing us until he is close enough, and 2. he can request ''any officer who sees xx nearby SUSPECT HIM FOR xxxx'' and then they're f**ked.

So you guys are usually talking about cops constantly hunting orange blips, now you're talking about a cop CHASING you when you aren't wanted or (assumed) haven't done any crime?

And I just don't believe you how everyone suspects you guys for things you didn't do. All I saw in-game was moaning about being "abused" when you just didn't want to play with the cops, but still committed some kind of crime (even small, but still) and cops saw you doing it. But you guys aren't even trying to evade police's attention.

There is no way to escape becoming an /su because the cops can move around, use cars, walk, etc, just like us, and they will always be able to find us.

Oh so you want the cops to be unable to move or use cars?
And if you guys camp while wanted, it's obvious that cops will find you. BE MOBILE.

[Gandalf]

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For example, if you clearly state you refuse to roleplay me questioning you about a murder and drive away I could /su you for evading and tell an admin you were evading while you say you didn't evade and say that forcing roleplay is not allowed - guess who they're going to believe?

That is because if you would have read my explanation no such rule exists where you can say I do not want to rp, goodbye.

[Gandalf]

IF some players want to know why they are moderated, read my post on page 3.

[Maxy]

Well. I'm simply going to list some facts here, that I have seen from being involved with the server for 3 years, and almost being on daily. I actually quit playing SAMP IG about two or three months ago, if any of you remember. Basically, there are two sides of the story. There are not 3, as the owners would like it to be, because either you're a criminal, a cop, or a guy who does nothing on the server other than talk in main chat and drive around ( "Citizen" ). Cops and Criminals often argue. Criminals like to pretend that everything they do is part of a movie, they are all Tony Montana, Don Corleone, or Frank Lucas. They fear no one, stop for nothing, and bitch when their power rush gets cut out by dying. How do I know? Because I was exactly like that. I was a badass in my own right, and every action I took, I tried to create fear and suspense amongst the people I roleplayed with. I didn't stop for cops at trafstops, because I was too cool to listen to their shit. My combat was used before my mouth, and I killed many officers. I was good at it too. This is exactly how everyone was, with the exception of a few genuine roleplayers. When Mafias and gangs roleplay, they roleplay with EACHOTHER. That is the point of a group. That is the point of a criminal commission. At least in the old days, when we had problems with a group, we talked to each leader of a group in a large meeting, discussing our plan of action, etc. This was all roleplayed, and all in character ( Before the days of the fucking (( )) bullshit. ) We acted accordingly. We dealt with weapons and killings. Because that's just the kind of people we are, we enjoy that thrill, and like being badasses on the server.

Then there is the cop side, a side which I don't know a lot about because I only saw them from one light. From the times I played as a cop, it was generally seen the same way. Everyone wants to be Serpico, Robocop, or Detective John Hobbes. Movies are what influence our perception of the roles that we play on the server. No cop accepted bribes, no cop was tempted, when you were a cop, you killed orange dots. Just like as a criminal, when you are an orange dot, you kill the blue dots. Cops were always weary and suspicious of criminals, because more often than not, we would blow the fuck up when a cop was around, and kill them. Especially when alone with them. Criminals complained that cops were stalking them, not leaving them alone, blah blah blah. This was all because we simply wanted our free reign to be badass murderers, and cops cramped our style when they were around. Criminals slowly developed a hate for cops, as cops did for criminals. That is when this server turned in to cops and robbers. Say what you want, IN GAME this server is nothing more than cops and robbers. Roleplay in a large scale no longer exists the way it did, because everyone is paranoid and suspicious of one another. Cops can't trust a guy who they know is a criminal, criminals can't trust a guy they know is a cop.

Cops got script support for a lot of things that they would realistically need script support for, Criminals got way less than cops did, agree or not, that is simply a fact. But it was realistic. The only thing that wasn't realistic is that cops ( who are also in greater number, by the way ) got to come back and keep killing ( or attempting to kill ) criminals. Why? I could only figure that it was because Criminals were simply better at killing than Cops were.


Anyways, to my original point. If there is to be a rule like this, there needs to be a lot of other rules enforcing roleplay. Because as of now, the server is in total chaos in terms of roleplay. You can basically do whatever the fuck you want, so it's not really a roleplay server in that sense, yet we have people running around complaining of bad roleplay. In case you haven't noticed the premise of this server is to do what you want, including roleplaying if you wish. That is why nobody should be "forced" to roleplay.


tl;dr: read it you lazy fucker.

[Aksel]

IF some players want to know why they are moderated, read my post on page 3.

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[Gandalf]

Maxy, one thing you seem to get wrong is that cops 'got' script support.
From the very first scripts cops have a number of commands in order to support their actions.
Over time the script support they have has gotten less, not more.

Another thing is that you seem to think citizens ban only talk in main chat and drive around. This is incorrect as well, as citizens can operate whatever non-criminal job or business they want.
Probably due to the lack of RP skills and the idea imported from other servers that everything has to be script supported, people have trouble playing citizens.

[Murt]

Well. I'm simply going to list some facts here, that I have seen from being involved with the server for 3 years, and almost being on daily. I actually quit playing SAMP IG about two or three months ago, if any of you remember. Basically, there are two sides of the story. There are not 3, as the owners would like it to be, because either you're a criminal, a cop, or a guy who does nothing on the server other than talk in main chat and drive around ( "Citizen" ). Cops and Criminals often argue. Criminals like to pretend that everything they do is part of a movie, they are all Tony Montana, Don Corleone, or Frank Lucas. They fear no one, stop for nothing, and bad guy when their power rush gets cut out by dying. How do I know? Because I was exactly like that. I was a badass in my own right, and every action I took, I tried to create fear and suspense amongst the people I roleplayed with. I didn't stop for cops at trafstops, because I was too cool to listen to their shit. My combat was used before my mouth, and I killed many officers. I was good at it too. This is exactly how everyone was, with the exception of a few genuine roleplayers. When Mafias and gangs roleplay, they roleplay with EACHOTHER. That is the point of a group. That is the point of a criminal commission. At least in the old days, when we had problems with a group, we talked to each leader of a group in a large meeting, discussing our plan of action, etc. This was all roleplayed, and all in character ( Before the days of the f**king something werid something weird bullshit. ) We acted accordingly. We dealt with weapons and killings. Because that's just the kind of people we are, we enjoy that thrill, and like being badasses on the server.

Then there is the cop side, a side which I don't know a lot about because I only saw them from one light. From the times I played as a cop, it was generally seen the same way. Everyone wants to be Serpico, Robocop, or Detective John Hobbes. Movies are what influence our perception of the roles that we play on the server. No cop accepted bribes, no cop was tempted, when you were a cop, you killed orange dots. Just like as a criminal, when you are an orange dot, you kill the blue dots. Cops were always weary and suspicious of criminals, because more often than not, we would blow the f**k up when a cop was around, and kill them. Especially when alone with them. Criminals complained that cops were stalking them, not leaving them alone, blah blah blah. This was all because we simply wanted our free reign to be badass murderers, and cops cramped our style when they were around. Criminals slowly developed a hate for cops, as cops did for criminals. That is when this server turned in to cops and robbers. Say what you want, IN GAME this server is nothing more than cops and robbers. Roleplay in a large scale no longer exists the way it did, because everyone is paranoid and suspicious of one another. Cops can't trust a guy who they know is a criminal, criminals can't trust a guy they know is a cop.

Cops got script support for a lot of things that they would realistically need script support for, Criminals got way less than cops did, agree or not, that is simply a fact. But it was realistic. The only thing that wasn't realistic is that cops ( who are also in greater number, by the way ) got to come back and keep killing ( or attempting to kill ) criminals. Why? I could only figure that it was because Criminals were simply better at killing than Cops were.


Anyways, to my original point. If there is to be a rule like this, there needs to be a lot of other rules enforcing roleplay. Because as of now, the server is in total chaos in terms of roleplay. You can basically do whatever the f**k you want, so it's not really a roleplay server in that sense, yet we have people running around complaining of bad roleplay. In case you haven't noticed the premise of this server is to do what you want, including roleplaying if you wish. That is why nobody should be "forced" to roleplay.


tl;dr: read it you lazy f**ker.

Well this server got roleplay, maybe you haven't seen it lately. As Gandalf stated some pages back, you can roleplay what ever you want. A cop, medic, fireman, businessman, criminal, assasin and much more. Just choose.

About the criminal groups you are right, they only roleplay with each other for the most and doing big meetings etc.