Scamming!

[Altair_Carter]

I'm just making a poll, I dont really give a sh*t. 

You're pathetic.

[Sisko]

OOC Scamming is the issue?

[diddeh]

No.

[CM Daniel]

Looks like there are more scammers than players around here.

[Void]

OOC type of scamming is when a player next to you camps and probably rapes /harvestweed or /collectheroin.
I still don't see the big scam. You're a step away from the product, and sadly people don't respect drug business as it used to be.

[dtlove]

Its life, gangsta. Life is a real fine b*tch.

Damn good quote there!

[9r2e5i3k]

I don't even get it, why such a topic like this? Rules aren't going to be added because of a poll.

About scamming itself - I don't get why do you people even think about scamming others? At most it should be a special event of actions - not something daily, like a job that you do for profit, that you ask to be further approved by another rule entry.

[Dave]

In relation to the poll:

Argonath was never a democracy, and never will be. We do value and listen to the opinions of players, but the decisions are ours to make, not by any majority of representative system.

[Void]

I'm just making a poll, I dont really give a sh*t. 

In relation with common sense.
The poll was there for just voting it seems.

[Likvidy]

My opinion is yes . After many black trades , I would say since this new no rule about scamming , black tradeship is going down . Many people which call yourself "gangsta" even saying in OOC they won't scam , they do . The example RP of their scamming :

*Gangsta drags a weight bag on his shoulder*
*Gangsta opens bag , you can see 10.000 AK47 ammo*
*Gangsta offers 10.000 AK47 ammo for 50.000$*
*Trader takes out cash and waits for trade*
*Gangsta gives bag which contains 10k Ak47 ammo*

When Trader sends cash , he takes out weapon from ass and says it's robbery or other shit like that . And after asking him he said in OOC no scam and he had in bag stones or "plastic weapon" . If you will get scammed by people like them , admins won't help . Just because it's black tradeship.
 

[Sweeper]

No

Its life, gangsta. Life is a real fine b*tch.

Just don't deal with someone if you don't trust him.

[Bilbo]

Scamming is never allowed.
Robbing in illegal deals although are allowed, as often criminals do have different opinions.

(Notice, scamming is not robbing, and robbing is not scamming, they are two completely different things)

[Seskom]

so you cant scam weapons, drugs and other illegal stuff? What about Court then, they refuse to take gambling scam's under investigation or atleast they did last time.

I mean theres scam of OOC and half RP, if scammer gets his cash he will stop RPing and run, if he gets shot/killed there should be money on his body but he refuses to give it so yea.... I seen scammer who got cash took AK from table and started shooting he got out and he was killed, refused to give cash back.

My opinion is yes . After many black trades , I would say since this new no rule about scamming , black tradeship is going down . Many people which call yourself "gangsta" even saying in OOC they won't scam , they do . The example RP of their scamming :

*Gangsta drags a weight bag on his shoulder*
*Gangsta opens bag , you can see 10.000 AK47 ammo*
*Gangsta offers 10.000 AK47 ammo for 50.000$*
*Trader takes out cash and waits for trade*
*Gangsta gives bag which contains 10k Ak47 ammo*

When Trader sends cash , he takes out weapon from ass and says it's robbery or other shit like that . And after asking him he said in OOC no scam and he had in bag stones or "plastic weapon" . If you will get scammed by people like them , admins won't help . Just because it's black tradeship.
 

I can't see a reason for you to whine cause you scammed also, don't play innocent. I lost my respect for you - again.

[Comrade]

I don't scam.
As a casino dealer, I require a clean reputation. I scammed once, but felt too bad and gave the 10k back ().

My point is, even though I myself might be a victim of a scam someday, I do not want this to be bannable.
I mean, soon you'll be banned for nearly everything you do.
"Omfg dood he bunnyhop while RP ban now ffs he newb"
"Omfggg I buy 3k combats he gief only 2887 omggggggg"

[Comrade]

Scamming is never allowed.
Robbing in illegal deals although are allowed, as often criminals do have different opinions.

(Notice, scamming is not robbing, and robbing is not scamming, they are two completely different things)

Daniel wants to ban every weed/weapon scammer/robber he sees.
He says "he'll talk some sense into the leaders" etc... I respect his opinion and all, but as an admin I believe he has to keep it to himself and do whats told...
I'm just saying. Sooner or later you might see an unban request, where the ban reason is "Weed scam".

You admins have to make a choice. It's hard to hear one says it's bannable and another say it's not.
I'd like you guys to talk about it, and then do a public announcement saying whether it's legal or illegal (by server rules, not by law.)