Kostya_Ernst: One Day in U.S.A.

[Allison]

/changename and try it yourself

Thank you for the idea, I shall try this. 

[Xander]

This is very disappointing...i wish people would notice that they need to help others.

[Simon_B]

It kinda amazes that peoples actually does this against new players espically but it didnt surprised me that much, as most peoples believes that new players doesnt knows properly how to roleplay, but who should they learn it from when nobody wants to roleplay with them and immediatly opens fire once they are attempting to?

I've been onto several other roleplaying servers and i wont tell any of those due to our rules, but onto the other servers they are nicely being told how to roleplay by the more experiended players, i believe we should make it something alike that, be nice against new players. Theres no reasons to immediatly open fire, even if they do. Attempt to roleplay even if they are attacking you. I'll try my best to do that into the future as i hope new players will get more known to Argonaths way of roleplaying.

[Aragorn]

I've been onto several other roleplaying servers and i wont tell any of those due to our rules, but onto the other servers they are nicely being told how to roleplay by the more experiended players, i believe we should make it something alike that, be nice against new players.

Really? I tested other roleplay servers also... Minimum, what I experienced - no any help or even a possibility to get a help...
And as far as I could see - they even ban for saying "Hello" in main chat... 
Others just disallow the main chat and you experience the boredom driving around, seeing nobody and being confused with the amount of players the server shows, when around you - no any soul and only 20 players silently sit at Pershing Square...

[Gird3r]

It kinda amazes that peoples actually does this against new players espically but it didnt surprised me that much, as most peoples believes that new players doesnt knows properly how to roleplay, but who should they learn it from when nobody wants to roleplay with them and immediatly opens fire once they are attempting to?

I've been onto several other roleplaying servers and i wont tell any of those due to our rules, but onto the other servers they are nicely being told how to roleplay by the more experiended players, i believe we should make it something alike that, be nice against new players. Theres no reasons to immediatly open fire, even if they do. Attempt to roleplay even if they are attacking you. I'll try my best to do that into the future as i hope new players will get more known to Argonaths way of roleplaying.

I don't know wich other servers you have visited, but the ones I have been to the experience have been majorly negative. First, an 5 minute tutorial that you can't skip (those fuckers even disabled /q).
When I finnaly got past the boring part (did not even read half of it) and got to play, I could not:

Enter cars.
Speak.
Have fun.

I could do one thing, run around.
Of all the RolePlay servers on sa:mp, Argonath RPG is the one with the most freedom and most unique.

We had something akin to this on mta:vc generation. The thing you are seeking, aka Very nice people. Problem is that when Argonath RPG expanded onto SA:MP, with it came several people from other servers, who could not see the difference between owner and player, and therefor. Tried to impose shitty dumb rules onto the official rule paper.

With SA:MP, Argonath got an huge influx of players, but with it also came shitty things and rotten eggs.

And with these shitty dumb rules, came also people with elitism behaviour, who would shit on anyone not using IC and OOC for example.

IC OOC was not created by Argonath, there was no need for such an stupid thing to exsist. IC OOC was created by IRL-RPG servers, and the players who found here and migrated here, tried to convert Argonath RPG into "just another RL-RPG server".
Luckily, the seem to have failed to turn Argonath into "another RL-RPG server", however. They succseed in one thing, spreading IC and OOC.

Why many old players (including myself) bash at the sa:Mp community sometimes, or mention the old times. Is because Argonath did not contain bullshit. no OOC IC, NO ZOMG RL RP, Every single player was very nice. No one was craving money like an sponge sucking water. Sure mta:vc had it's problems in community, but it was far less than sa:Mp have now.

So, what can we do about the problems?

*Harser punishment for regulars.



Now, I cannot deny IC OOC because it's not im my right to forbid it, however. When you guys force or "This is essential for roleplaying" IC OOC at an new player, you are just doing it wRONg. Stop copy-cat other servers. IF you are helping an new player. Do not tell anything about OOC IC or such bullshit unless they ask specifically about it. And even if you should happen to teach it, do not say it's an requriement to Roleplay on Argonath, because that's just stupid and you are effectivly playing an owner when you are not one of the owners.

[Gandalf]

Topic split, 7 pages of IC/OOC discussion sent to new topic. Please keep this one clean of it.

[Void]

Topic split, 7 pages of IC/OOC discussion sent to new topic. Please keep this one clean of it.

You could have deleted the RP discussion.
I got involved in that conversation because of Gird3r's post. Back on topic


About the little UC trip you had, well that's a common thing in Argonath.
The /hduty idea and its implementation helped a lot but not many players offer new comers to type /ask.They just do not encourage them enough. I changed my name once because I wanted to see if there is any hope to stay on SA:MP. I guess I was wrong, because I asked several times in main chat "Hi Im new can you help" and I got no response than "stop spamming".The cream on top is that many players as said before, call you a meta gamer, while there is no such rule listed anywhere and does not imply.Same as powergaming. They make a melodrama when you scroll to obtain a weapon and yell with capitals "OMG pulled combat out of ass, rofl NON Rper". One point I realized is that our administration has big patience, understanding and some players (even regulars) abuse it.

[Chuck_Norris]

As response to the words of Aragorn, about regulars demanding more from newcommers I have something to share.
I, as admin, remember the period (and i'm sure Aragorn will to) of regulars attempting to scam newcommers. From that moment on I knew Argonath was changing. I'd like you all to keep in mind off where you come from. Did you land on the server in your UFO with 'cough' Elite 'Cough' knowledge about Argonath? if so, you're drunk ...

Argonath is a community, a community stands for a group of people deticated to one thing and one thing only. FUN

Now what's wrong with helping someone to enjoy that fun aswell?

- Does he feel welcome if you do? Yes, probably
- Do you sleep better when you do? Maybe, unsure bout that.
- Is it that hard to help someone ? Takes maybe what? 10 minutes?

=> Conclusion : If everybody helped One newcommer a day, only ONE, the problem would be solved. Taking into acount that in a timeframe of one day, more than 100 regulars show up to play and to have fun, this wouldn't be any problem anymore.

As for the point which somebody said, about 'some newcommers you can't teach cause they don't want to be learned' I can kinda understand the point which is made here. Indeed some newcommers are not your language, not listening, not interested, dming, shitting on everyone,...

My view?

- not your language? I bet someone in the server speaks the language he speaks, otherwise, ask if he knows any other language
- not listening ? /area them and ask in local chat, or better yet, try in mainchat / pm also mention to send you one back they have to do /pm (urid) text
- dming ? Report to us admins and we will attempt to cool them down
- Shitting on everybody ? Same as above

Yet my opinion is, there is a newcommer in each and everybody here. Reasons ?

- everybody was new once, everybody knows what it's like.

and the most important part?

Everybody makes mistakes once and a while, remember this !

[Void]

As response to the words of Aragorn, about regulars demanding more from newcommers I have something to share.
I, as admin, remember the period (and i'm sure Aragorn will to) of regulars attempting to scam newcommers. From that moment on I knew Argonath was changing. I'd like you all to keep in mind off where you come from. Did you land on the server in your UFO with 'cough' Elite 'Cough' knowledge about Argonath? if so, you're drunk ...

Argonath is a community, a community stands for a group of people deticated to one thing and one thing only. FUN

Now what's wrong with helping someone to enjoy that fun aswell?

- Does he feel welcome if you do? Yes, probably
- Do you sleep better when you do? Maybe, unsure bout that.
- Is it that hard to help someone ? Takes maybe what? 10 minutes?

=> Conclusion : If everybody helped One newcommer a day, only ONE, the problem would be solved. Taking into acount that in a timeframe of one day, more than 100 regulars show up to play and to have fun, this wouldn't be any problem anymore.

Very interesting, I like the statistics, only sometimes they show the other side as well.Lots of new comers tend to hack after some time(or the same day they register), and its our fault at one hand.They see that the monetary system has a great influence here, and that is the key reason why we have mostly weapon/armor/money hacks.

[Chuck_Norris]

Newcommers hacking reflects are irl tendance aswell. When you are low on money in real life, all you want is more money.
So how will you obtain it? Well let's say, sometimes you take the wrong path.

[9r2e5i3k]

When you are low on money in real life, all you want is more money.

I'm always low on money in real life (I actually hardly ever have ANY money) and I hardly think about money at all.  :conf:

[Void]

I'm always low on money in real life (I actually hardly ever have ANY money) and I hardly think about money at all.  :conf:

Either you use "mind-blurring" substances or you're really in love.

[Kenny.]

While we're on this topic I might just say something..
For the past month, my non admin account has been in Gulucan, under the name rmliDlioe, which is an anagram for Dillimore
And I got some interesting stuff to report...
If you have that Gulucan tag on - you are automatically the scum of the server. Everyone hates you, without even knowing you. The tag is like a stain on a carpet in a store; you don't know how good the carpet is, but you see the stain, and automatically you despise of it and hate it.

Maybe some reasons alot of people think gulucan are Dmer's is how they display themself or what they say...and am very disapointed to find out that "rmliDiloe_gulucan" was our once-awesome captain giacjr, i mean you practically were dming on police duty and was provoking us so that we could shoot you, i do not know reason you went UC on that account, maybe to find SAPD corruption or to find how veterans treat new players....

but if its one of the reason's then you would have fulfiled your objective because you made it hard not to be treated such way..i had these screenshot taken for other purposes, but here it goes...

[Leon.]

I don't know wich other servers you have visited, but the ones I have been to the experience have been majorly negative. First, an 5 minute tutorial that you can't skip (those f**kers even disabled /q).
When I finnaly got past the boring part (did not even read half of it) and got to play, I could not:

Enter cars.
Speak.
Have fun.

I could do one thing, run around.
Of all the RolePlay servers on sa:mp, Argonath RPG is the one with the most freedom and most unique.

We had something akin to this on mta:vc generation. The thing you are seeking, aka Very nice people. Problem is that when Argonath RPG expanded onto SA:MP, with it came several people from other servers, who could not see the difference between owner and player, and therefor. Tried to impose shitty dumb rules onto the official rule paper.

With SA:MP, Argonath got an huge influx of players, but with it also came shitty things and rotten eggs.

And with these shitty dumb rules, came also people with elitism behaviour, who would shit on anyone not using IC and OOC for example.

IC OOC was not created by Argonath, there was no need for such an stupid thing to exsist. IC OOC was created by IRL-RPG servers, and the players who found here and migrated here, tried to convert Argonath RPG into "just another RL-RPG server".
Luckily, the seem to have failed to turn Argonath into "another RL-RPG server", however. They succseed in one thing, spreading IC and OOC.

Why many old players (including myself) bash at the sa:Mp community sometimes, or mention the old times. Is because Argonath did not contain bullshit. no OOC IC, NO ZOMG RL RP, Every single player was very nice. No one was craving money like an sponge sucking water. Sure mta:vc had it's problems in community, but it was far less than sa:Mp have now.

So, what can we do about the problems?

*Harser punishment for regulars.



Now, I cannot deny IC OOC because it's not im my right to forbid it, however. When you guys force or "This is essential for roleplaying" IC OOC at an new player, you are just doing it wRONg. Stop copy-cat other servers. IF you are helping an new player. Do not tell anything about OOC IC or such bullshit unless they ask specifically about it. And even if you should happen to teach it, do not say it's an requriement to Roleplay on Argonath, because that's just stupid and you are effectivly playing an owner when you are not one of the owners.

If you don't like SA:MP so much, then please go back to MTA:VC where you're happy. When you're happy, I'm happy about you being happy.

Maybe some reasons alot of people think gulucan are Dmer's is how they display themself or what they say...and am very disapointed to find out that "rmliDiloe_gulucan" was our once-awesome captain giacjr, i mean you practically were dming on police duty and was provoking us so that we could shoot you, i do not know reason you went UC on that account, maybe to find SAPD corruption or to find how veterans treat new players....

but if its one of the reason's then you would have fulfiled your objective because you made it hard not to be treated such way..i had these screenshot taken for other purposes, but here it goes...

Well, no wonder people call them dmers!

[Leon.]

If you have that Gulucan tag on - you are automatically the scum of the server. Everyone hates you, without even knowing you. The tag is like a stain on a carpet in a store; you don't know how good the carpet is, but you see the stain, and automatically you despise of it and hate it.
Internally, I only got into a few RPs, and I have to say guys, they were amazing RPs! These Gulucan guys really do know how to pull off some good RP, yet all everyone sees (or wants to see) is them DMing and stuff...

I've got nothing to say but...