In character and Out of character discussion

[Void]

1)It's not me who's swearing and "ic" flaming.
2)That's flaming, from both sides. No matter if English name-calling or not, it's still flaming. Rules don't show any exceptions about flaming "IC/OOC" being allowed. If the only slang words you know are flames, better not use such slang at all.
3)What's interesting in flaming each other?

1)  I was explaining a common example so you can get it better.Don't get all defending
2)

Within roleplay this is allowed very limited and strictly bound to the situation.  If there is any doubt about the slang/language used is for ropleplay only,  administration has full right to take any measures they find necessary.

After that here goes a sentence you obviously missed:

There is a line, and the other RP party will show it certainly(as long as it is not racial, nationality, etc discriminating)

other player will know when to stop RP, when he feels uncomfortable etc.Here we have different reactions of the RP starter, adn I've made a profile of IC/OOC users that fit these reactions, here:

You generalize all IC/OOC-ers: The douches: Force this shit yo, they be like non RP and shit, yo.We be tite and rockin this kno wha' am sayin'
                                         The free minded: Those who don't give a damn what you use, just valuate yours, and respect others.

3) Flaming was an example of numerous of punch lines, jokes that can start and develop a stable and fun RP situation.
I can step on your shoes to create a conversation and start a potential RP, can I?

[Void]

I will deliberately double post so some people can realize what is my main propaganda:

RP cannot be evaluated, its just like DNA. Every person has his own style, wants, demands in a RP situation.
Its just stupid to argue what's best and what's worst regarding RP.

You RP your way, I'll practice it my way and we will find a compromise for a mutual satisfaction if we ever meet and RP.

Thank you for reading and understanding. Don't criticize! Don't show shallowness.

[Gandalf]

Actually, I didn't answer due to unrelated reasons that you may find slightly offensive, and I'd rather not set you off.

And in all honesty...I didn't know one of the main purposes of Argonath was to be an anti IC/OOC legion who want to call themselves creative because they used a method older than IC/OOC itself (which is NOT using IC/OOC).

We allow freedom, but we are not in favour of teaching new player to follow rules from other servers.
If other servers allow racism, should we allow it because they do ?

We're not (for the most part, anyway; the retards are the ones trying to do this and don't even deserve to be a roleplayer) trying to bring Argonath as a whole into the IC/OOC rule that we implement on OURSELVES AND OUR GROUPS with the sole purpose of being comfortable playing according to their needs, habits, or whatever on Argonath.

If you are forcing this rule in your GROUP, then perhaps we were wRONg to give your GROUP official status and it shoud be removed from the GROUP.

If you honestly think that we're setting out to destroy Argonath and trying to bring it under an IC/OOC rule, then go right the f**k ahead ahead and disallow it. Players like me and Void will honestly not give a flying f**k what you do, because we're open minded and simple people.

No use as people would find a way to sneak it in anyhow, as they already did with many rules from other servers. It will just cause some surprise now and then when players find that something they thought was a rule never was.

[Gandalf]

They should be tweaked because a lot of people are being disrespected so treating people who use IC/OOC methods as Inferior and saying they are not welcome is going against that up there(as it says, leave or change your view(s). So for #9 instead of it saying "Any groups of players in game" add in the people that are excused, because im noticing a few people who seem to think they are.

IC/OOC is not treated as inferior but as unnecesary. That is a difference you do not seem to grasp.

[Void]

We allow freedom, but we are not in favour of teaching new player to follow rules from other servers.
If other servers allow racism, should we allow it because they do ?

If you are forcing this rule in your GROUP, then perhaps we were wRONg to give your GROUP official status and it shoud be removed from the GROUP.
No use as people would find a way to sneak it in anyhow, as they already did with many rules from other servers. It will just cause some surprise now and then when players find that something they thought was a rule never was.

Those are "the douches" and they should be punished severely. They ruin the rest of us that actually want to RP and coexist with others, rather then moan what's srs and what's not.

Valuate yours, respect others.

[Leon.]

You mad again.
And you said yourself that you don't care. Not judging, quoting (actually paraphrasing, reduced the swear word).

Not quoting, misinterpreting.
I meant that if IC/OOC is removed, I won't care about that. I care that fucktards are flaming the people who use IC/OOC and the people who don't and it's really fucking stupid, and the stupid immaturity needs to stop, or they can carry their fancy-pantsy little disgraceful ass out of the server.

It's nothing new for you closed-minded people to misinterpret shit like this.

[Xander]

IC/OOC is not treated as inferior but as unnecesary. That is a difference you do not seem to grasp.

Actually i have grasped it, if you look back like i said before you will notice that i said i don't always use it. In fact i rarely do anymore because it is unnecessary to use. Now look back at what Grz and the mare saying, they are treating the PEOPLE that use it as Inferior, not IC/OOC itself. Im not posting to fight or hate other's i still feel the same about everyone whether you disagree with me or not. Im just having a debate.

[Leon.]

@Xander
IC/OOC breaks 4. and 8.a.

What the fuck is this?

4. IC/OOC is not an official rule in Argonath, and therefore does not break that in the first place.

8.a. You only break this if you use IC as an excuse for flaming, and anyone who does this in the first place is likely retarded.

1)We allow freedom, but we are not in favour of teaching new player to follow rules from other servers.
1a)If other servers allow racism, should we allow it because they do ?

2)If you are forcing this rule in your GROUP, then perhaps we were wRONg to give your GROUP official status and it shoud be removed from the GROUP.
3)No use as people would find a way to sneak it in anyhow, as they already did with many rules from other servers. It will just cause some surprise now and then when players find that something they thought was a rule never was.

1) Rules are SUPPOSED to be followed, or disciplinary action will be taken. We're not telling a new player, "USE IC/OOC OR I FUCKING PUNISH U I DONT KNOW HOW I DONT GOT ADMIN POWERS BUT I STILL PUNISH U" by using IC/OOC. Besides, don't you spam the living crap out of them with your rules when they first join (yes, I'm exaggerating by A LOT)?

1a) Oh, well allow me to retort.
No, you shouldn't, because it'd make you look cool and rebellious to be different and you should run everything the exact opposite of the server that allows racism.

2) Way to go and contradict yourself.

5.   Argonath leaders will accept new rules and scripts only if they fit the vision. If any suggestion is limiting the possibility to play for new players, strives to give advantage to more experienced players, or creates a more complex rule that would make it hard to understand or follow, it will be rejected, regardless of how much support there is from the community
6.   Argonath players are, regardless of point 5, free to implement within their group or play guidelines and habits of playing. However they are not allowed to force people outside their group to use the same rules, resort to flaming, insulting, or trying to excluse players who do not play by non-official group rules.

Using IC/OOC is a guideline or habit of playing, not a rule, as you and Aragorn ignorantly imply it to be. In another server, it classes as a rule there, because it literally is a rule that is REQUIRED to be followed or face a ban. In Argonath, it's a choice. When you take that choice away from YOUR players, you truly hurt the very hope that the players will get fun from the server, rather than being raped with rules like "NO USING IC/OOC BECAUSE ITS FUCKING FORBIDDEN BECAUSE (insert rp server name that isn't Argonath here) USES IT"

3) Didn't your mother teach you not to think pessimistically on things all the time?

You might as well do what you're doing to IC/OOC users to me just because I disallow myself to do something, which another guy also happens to do as well. You might as well call me unnecessary names because I happen to use his idea to make myself satisfied and happy (which many of you have already revealed your immaturity by directly insulting the users).

:ps: What's with this wRONg fad going around here? I get the pun, yes...but seriously.

[Xander]

@Xander
IC/OOC breaks 4. and 8.a.

Actually it doesn't at all. If you read, swearing in a rp situation is allowed in limited cases. Unless it is not with the RP situation then administration will handle it. How does this finger out Ic/OOC usage? It doesn't, it goes on all forms of roleplay whether you use brackets or not. As far as 4 goes, still does not work with you. It's yet again working against you. If you begin disallowing our free roleplay, then your the one breaking it, not us. Also again you are the one's who are disturbing our roleplay by disrespecting the people who distinguish ic/ooc. Therefore you yet again are tarnishing more of the Argonath image. Please feel free to point out more, the Image is more in the free roleplayer's favor than yours.

[rJCaiG]

IC/OOC is for people without a brain.
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[Aragorn]

You brought this rule from other servers... If you do not use it there - you will be banned...
Thats why its a rule...
And stop fooling us and yourselves here around...

Other servers ban for not using it...

As I said - stop fucking confuse players and think that we are one of those OOC/IC servers...

Any new comment like "It is not a rule!!!" "We do not want to destory Argonath's vision" will just lead to the strict actions against this shit...

Why the fuck we should allow the spread of "srs" RP servers here if we are on our own world...

Forget about OOC/IC on Argonath... If you do not like this - go there where its a normal rule/style/whatever...

[9r2e5i3k]

If you read, swearing in a rp situation is allowed in limited cases.

People keep twisting and abusing this "exception for role-play", by treating flaming as only swearing. Flaming is not allowed at all, without any exceptions.

You can quote the vision as you like, but remember about the basic RULES too.

[JDC]

IC/OOC creates unnecessary complications that lead to player confusion and allows for flaming.

If I say "F*ck you, you stupid b*tch!" to another player in RP, then I am still flaming that player as what I said goes against the Argonath Vision (and even against the basic rules!)... which stands against IC/OOC. We are not here confuse players or to flame them subversively.

The Argonath Vision (along with the basic rules) is the set of core values on which Argonath RPG revolves, and one of the reasons for the successful community like this. Sauron, Gandalf, Aragorn, and Legolas did not found a community just to have people f*ck it up by implementing things that do nothing but turn it into a complicated mess of incomprehensible rules!

If the "Champions of IC and OOC", especially my dear and beloved MetalLuigiX, still do not understand this statement, then you must have no comprehension ability or common sense at all...

Call me old-fashioned, call me afraid of change, call me licker of developers' asses and all the other false bullshit you could come up with in this world... but I will stand by what I believe to be right, which is in this case, the Vision that has made Argonath into a successful and player-friendly community as it is today... and I will continue to stand by it as long as Argonath RPG remains what it is.

[Gandalf]

Besides, don't you spam the living crap out of them with your rules when they first join (yes, I'm exaggerating by A LOT)?

That was made on request of players who find it too distressing to help new people understand therules.

1a) Oh, well allow me to retort.
No, you shouldn't, because it'd make you look cool and rebellious to be different and you should run everything the exact opposite of the server that allows racism.

That is not reorting, but it is making fun of what I said. Obviously because you can not counter the point in question.

2) Way to go and contradict yourself.Using IC/OOC is a guideline or habit of playing, not a rule, as you and Aragorn ignorantly imply it to be. In another server, it classes as a rule there, because it literally is a rule that is REQUIRED to be followed or face a ban. In Argonath, it's a choice. When you take that choice away from YOUR players, you truly hurt the very hope that the players will get fun from the server, rather than being raped with rules like "NO USING IC/OOC BECAUSE ITS f**kING FORBIDDEN BECAUSE (insert rp server name that isn't Argonath here) USES IT"

Not a contradiction at all. And if you feel that "fun" depends on the usage of IC/OOC I guess that you have no clue about fun.

3) Didn't your mother teach you not to think pessimistically on things all the time?

Yes but certain players showed me the opposite.

[Void]

The Argonath Vision (along with the basic rules) is the set of core values on which Argonath RPG revolves, and one of the reasons for the successful community like this. Sauron, Gandalf, Aragorn, and Legolas did not found a community just to have people f*ck it up by implementing things that do nothing but turn it into a complicated mess of incomprehensible rules!

Call me old-fashioned ...

Every server has its vision, not only Argonath and they too, believe that its unique. Please check the SA:MP Ideas then review the red bold part in your post.
We could go on and on.

Old-fashioned? You think by hanging on a certain server for almost 3 years brings you something? Knowledge is something that is gained your whole life.I give you credit for being here and contributing this community but we aren't from yesterday either.We know something about RP too. I was getting pwned back in MTA VC 0.2 when the "Unhandled exception error" gave me nerdrages.Played MTA:VC in 2007 while waiting for them to add extra commands other than plain chat and /me ...
Afraid of changes? Everything must change, it is the way it goes. Why not letting people RP how they want, instead classifying douches and  IC/OOC-ers under same term.


The only way you actually can prevent changes is to remove the server from Hosted tab and prevent players entering it. Its inevitable.
Leave the OOC/IC-ers alone, and conclude this topic as I only see narrow minded crap posted here.

RP cannot be evaluated, its just like DNA. Every person has his own style, wants, demands in a RP situation.
Its just stupid to argue what's best and what's worst regarding RP.

You RP your way, I'll practice it my way and we will find a compromise for a mutual satisfaction if we ever meet and RP.

Then instead we have people like Giac, a great example of narrow minded stubborn stupidity.Tell me Giac, have you ever RPed with any of these IC/OOC supporting/tolerant lads here?

I just want people to coexist together as I consider Argonath a getaway from the reality, a place to relax, talk to people with same experiences, have a laugh now and then, talk seriously, exchange experiences and most of all gain some acquaintances.I guess many of us have the same goal.

Thank you for reading and regards,