In character and Out of character discussion

[Cero]

Since you ran out of things to say just get off the topic.

Ehm, what? I tried posting a funny picture to lighten the mood.

But if you insist, you can "Just get off the topic" because all you ever do is repeat yourself saying the same shit over and over again.

[Romeo]

Where do you people get time for this? I really wanna know.

Oh the joys of being young and free. 

[JDC]

JDC f**k off with your 'ARGOorGTFO' attitude.
No, just kidding, mate.

Other servers use IC/OOC to separate Leon Gvardia's testicles and (Insert my RL full name here)'s testicles. Yes, anyone can just say
My balls itch
IG?
No, IRL
lol
But think about it. You save a FULL TWO LINES of chat messages if you had put that shit in brackets!

TWO LINES BRO!!!!1111

Ok, seriously now.>Implying we're trying to turn Argonath into a serious roleplay server
>Implying our "excuses" are sad
>Implying you know what it is supposed to be>Implying that the majority of the players are actually stupid enough to be mislead in the first place
>Implying people are stupid enough to be confused by two pairs of parenthesis
>Implying IC/OOC is a whole lot of rules
>Implying IC/OOC is a misconception
>Implying IC/OOC users don't have a brain
>Implying you even use your brain


Look, like I give a f**k if IC/OOC is removed. The only reason I'm arguing here is:
1. You think everyone who uses IC/OOC is an uneducated moron - You're wRONg and likely stupid yourself just by implying this
2. You think that every single new player is stupid and easily confused - You're wRONg and you underestimate the power of the human brain
3. You think IC/OOC is a whole lot of rules - It isn't, it's a method of differentiating between your character and your IRL self. Yes, I know this can be managed without IC/OOC, but IC/OOC shortens the process.
4. You think everyone who uses IC/OOC is a 'very srs roleplayer' and is trying to turn Argonath into a 'generic roleplay server' - Not true. Argonath and its other servers is/was my first and ONLY SA:MP server. The last time I had played Grand Theft Auto was on the PS2 at my dad's house, a year after it came out. Also, people like me and Void are "mixed-IC/OOC". Definition: We use and don't use IC/OOC, depending on a given situation.
5. You talk about how much IC/OOC is tabooed on Argonath and how it's going to be disallowed - f**king disallow it then. You should have f**king disallowed it when you first saw it if you were going to turn Argonath from a fun, relaxed roleplay server to a f**kALL IC/OOC Legion of wanna-be Leet-anti-IC/OOC-roleplayers. Maybe if you hadn't whined about IC/OOC in the first place or tried to imply that it's super-duper tabooed on Argonath, then maybe we wouldn't even have this discussion. Maybe if you hadn't classed IC/OOC'ers into the same category as retards and douche bags.
Your MOANING about IC/OOC is the problem, not IC/OOC itself. MOANERS like you are constantly MOANING about "f**kING IC/OOC f**kING STUPID f**kING LERN TO ROLEPLAY f**kING STUPID f**k f**k f**k YOU f**k THIS f**k ME f**k HIM YOU USE IC/OOC GET THE f**k OUT YOU'RE A DOUCHE" (TL;DR, you think IC/OOC is stupid and constantly cry about it because you don't know how to show self restraint). So stop MOANING, or Argonath will turn into one of the very things you're trying to stop it from becoming (in this case, "MOANVILLE").

Seriously guys. You're insulting the entire community by saying we're going to confuse people (especially new players) into thinking IC/OOC is a rule. The only way that's going to happen is if some retarded dipshit PMs a new player "Hey, using IC/OOC is a rule and is strictly forbidden not to use it." If someone's actually done that, then on behalf of all people who use IC/OOC in Argonath, I genuinely apologize to that player. But we don't have morons on this server (starting to think otherwise now), so that isn't the case, NOW IS IT?

If you think we're going to confuse new players, and if you honestly think the new players are incapable of knowing that IC/OOC is not a rule, then add it on there when they join the server.
"IC/OOC IS NOT A RULE - YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO USE IT"

They say empathy is an important part of a relationship. Show some empathy towards those who use IC/OOC, and imagine being constantly attacked with "CANT USE YOUR BRAIN" "YOURE A bad guy FOR USING IC/OOC" "OMG U USE IC/OOC THEREFORE U R A DOUCHE AND RETARDED" every two hours.

...

...

MEGA ROFL.

 
 
I am challenging you to say that to RON and Ronnel.

Why? Those two server owners are people to whom I have similar views on IC/OOC. The only thing lacking is the part where I say "If you want to IC/OOC here, then fuck off". Everything you just said to me may as well be addressed to them as they too have spoken against IC/OOC.

Just because I am an SA:MP Moderator without 3 years of admin credentials or developer history under his belt, you bomb me with statements which you can't even contemplate saying to a server owner with quite similar views.

You, my friend, are the moaner. Not me. Learn what a f**king mirror is.

Notice how I basically posted a copy of the things he said... it is not because I lick their asses. Rather, I have a high respect for them (people who gave much of their time to deal with people like you)... and that is very different from licking ass.

It is because I have mostly the same views as them on IC/OOC... if you cannot handle what people like Gandalf, RON, Dave, Giac, and me say- then no one's stopping you from LEAVING.

Oh, you're too scared to take up the challenge, aren't you?

I am serious with that challenge.


Oh and btw.

"IC/OOC IS NOT A RULE

Read this.

You brought this rule from other servers... If you do not use it there - you will be banned...
Thats why its a rule...
And stop fooling us and yourselves here around...

Other servers ban for not using it...

As I said - stop f**king confuse players and think that we are one of those OOC/IC servers...

Any new comment like "It is not a rule!!!" "We do not want to destory Argonath's vision" will just lead to the strict actions against this shit...

Why the f**k we should allow the spread of "srs" RP servers here if we are on our own world...

Forget about OOC/IC on Argonath... If you do not like this - go there where its a normal rule/style/whatever...

Seems like I'm not the one without common sense.

[Cero]

Question to Aragorn and Gandalf. (NOT YOU JDC!)

Is IC/OOC allowed, or has it been prohibited now and should admins punish it?

[Cofiliano]

The server owner's answer to this discussion:

f**k off with the OOC and IC shit.

Simple. Learn some f**king respect and obey the owners' wishes, after all, they give up their own personal time with their families, and their own money to deal with your constant f**king complaining.

If only I could ask Aragorn or Gandalf to give me 5 minutes alone in the server with all the people who bad girl about everything.
Actually, comming to think of it, it would take more than 5 minutes to issue all of those bans.

Ban some people who just has a different way of role play without forcing others to it? Common give it a rest mate.

[Cofiliano]

Question to Aragorn and Gandalf. (NOT YOU JDC!)

Is IC/OOC allowed, or has it been prohibited now and should admins punish it?

I know you directed the questions to them, but they already answered on this same topic ( and few more times on similar topics). Use what ever role play you want, don't force others to do it, and all will be fine.

Okay, so...

Let everyone roleplay as they want, but don't enforce it.

That's about it.
Now rest of you, take a chill pill.

[DHR.Mike]

if seen a billion of topic's like this and the only Awnser the owners give on it is

there is no sutch thing as IC/OOC

so to keep it Simpel your always both no matter what  i guess  :trust:

[Altair_Carter]

Just saddens me even mature people try to argue over a retarded topic for kids like this is.

[Dave]

Ban some people who just has a different way of role play without forcing others to it? Common give it a rest mate.

Can you not read?

:-

You brought this rule from other servers... If you do not use it there - you will be banned...
Thats why its a rule...
And stop fooling us and yourselves here around...

Other servers ban for not using it...

As I said - stop f**king confuse players and think that we are one of those OOC/IC servers...

Any new comment like "It is not a rule!!!" "We do not want to destory Argonath's vision" will just lead to the strict actions against this shit...

Why the f**k we should allow the spread of "srs" RP servers here if we are on our own world...

Forget about OOC/IC on Argonath... If you do not like this - go there where its a normal rule/style/whatever...

Its not a form... It is the rule from other servers... We have our own rules - Obey them...
And do not confuse players with OOC/IC rule... It is not Argonath then...

Funny how you guys did not answer my small question on page 6...

Its nice to defend the OOC/IC and to ignore that with its usage you implement into Argonath the rule from other server, which is not in Argonath rules at all...

What will happen to you on those RP servers where is this OOC/IC shit and start talking like on Argonath?
You do not answer because its clear: you will be banned...

Then why you want Argonath to use other servers rules?

I can say how we see it... It is just disrespect to the Argonath rules... Our rules you do not follow but f**king trying to implement the other servers rules...

I am really pissed of reading thie two f**king pages... And if two piece of OOC/IC will not f**king stop to bring into Argonath this stupid rule from other servers I will just f**king disallow it by power...

Wanna OOC/IC? Then f**k off from Argonath... FFS...

Keep digging your hole.


All of you posting in this topic. Grow some balls and repeat what you have just said to the the owners' faces, specifically Aragorn.

[Crysis_Warhead]

Just saddens me even mature people try to argue over a retarded topic for kids like this is.

ohboyherewegoagain.jpg

[Void]

Seems that Luigi went over 9000.

I wouldn't go that far then, peace bro.Use what you use, I'll use what I use and if we ever meet we will think of how to RP in both ways(we will adapt).

Regards,

[Leon.]

Why? Those two server owners are people to whom I have similar views on IC/OOC. The only thing lacking is the part where I say "If you want to IC/OOC here, then fuck off". Everything you just said to me may as well be addressed to them as they too have spoken against IC/OOC.

Only they actually bring up their own points and ideas, while you just quote and don't even bother to use your own point.

You, my friend, are the moaner. Not me. Learn what a f**king mirror is.

I know what it is, but sadly, I broke it because I ran out of things to facepalm with, including my hand, which I seem to have developed facepalm syndrome in.
I'll admit (because I have the balls and know how to take responsibility), I HAVE moaned before, and I still will moan in the future. However, at least I know the boundaries between a complaint and excessively overdoing it. Overdoing it would go something like...
"Fucking IC/OOCers are trying to turn Argonath into a generic RP server!!1111"
"Fucking IC/OOCers are trying to turn Argonath into a generic RP server!!1111"
"Fucking IC/OOCers are trying to turn Argonath into a generic RP server!!1111"
"Fucking IC/OOCers are trying to turn Argonath into a generic RP server!!1111"
(btw, IC/OOC =/= srs generic rp. 78 rules covering each and every situation = srs generic rp. IC/OOC is only one out of 78 rules)
Stop moaning about IC/OOCers trying to turn Argonath into a "very generic rp server." You act like we're out there to hunt you down with our kitty claws and Rape-X tubes. You are so paranoid... maybe if I were to walk in a school with a shirt with the metal sign (\m/) on it (which actually depicts devil horns), the security will be like "DEVIL SIGN, HE DO BAD DEEDS AND BURN BUILDING", much like how you guys see the OOC tags, and you say "OH SHIT, OOC TAGS, HE TRY TURN ARGO TO SRS RP SERVER."

Notice how I basically posted a copy of the things he said... it is not because I lick their asses. Rather, I have a high respect for them (people who gave much of their time to deal with people like you)... and that is very different from licking ass.

People like me? Lol. To them, dealing with someone defending his points about IC/OOC compared to a hacker stealing scripts and hijacking accounts from the server is like dealing with a crippled ant compared to a hornet's nest.
They've really got nothing to deal with; I'm not breaking a rule. They're simply CHOOSING to argue their points about IC/OOC, much like I am. We're having a mature conversation (mature, meaning, not doing this: "FUCK YOU IC/OOC" "NO FUCK YOU NON IC/OOC" "NO FUCK YOU" "NO FUCK" "FUCKFUCKFUCK").

Why? Those two server owners are people to whom I have similar views on IC/OOC. The only thing lacking is the part where I say "If you want to IC/OOC here, then fuck off". Everything you just said to me may as well be addressed to them as they too have spoken against IC/OOC.

Uhh...no, not really. The way they different from you is that Aragorn and Gandalf are not

>Implying our "excuses" are sad - They are actually taking our points and giving reasons why they dissent with our opinion, not saying our excuses are sad.
>Implying you know what it is supposed to be - Why should they have to imply it? THEY CREATED IT (It = Argonath)
>Implying IC/OOC is a whole lot of rules - They know it's simply one little rule out of the hundreds a generic "RLRP" server may have...
>Implying IC/OOC users don't have a brain - Unlike you, they actually bother to respect those who use it by not using "IC/OOC users can't use a brain/don't have a brain." Instead of insulting the users, they insult the idea of IC/OOC itself, which is not even harmful to a human being.

And your challenge is declined. Here's why, so read VERY CLOSELY[/u].
I have no fear what so ever of saying what I said to you to them. I do, however, have the fear that they'll no longer have any trust in me because I lied about them. I'll also fear that they'll feel insulted when I say they are (doing something) they are not.
Gandalf and Aragorn aren't actually moaning. Calling them moaners would give them every right to call me a liar. It's hard to fix your reputation of being a liar, even if you aren't a liar.

Oh and btw.

Read this.

I meant that IC/OOC is not a rule within ARGONATH. Someone as smart as you should be able to realize that. owait...

Seems like I'm not the one without common sense.

Yeah, that explains about everything.

I'll accept your challenge if you allow me to only say the things I said to you to them that are the truth when directed at them. Until then, no. I refuse to lie; it's degrading. And you just encouraged me to lie!

[Julio.]

May I add one thing.

A lot of players. Such as Gvardia (will not name names), cannot even distinguish ooc and ic whether you use brackets or not

I said to a car full of them (( hey guys, gonna kill anyone soon? )). They replied by shooting me full of lead, how thoughtful of them. 

[Void]

Thank you Joe for your comment, it is acknowledged and it will be proceeded to the carebox and examined in details.
Did I say this is a moan/insult topic? No. If you have anything against their group, PM Cofiliano.
Regards,

JDC, tell me what happened on that day of May 01, 2008? Who were you here and what tempted you to join?
Everyone is starting from the same position.

I assure you, RP with Luigi. I believe you can make an arrangement.Only decent solution for your stubbornness.
I am keen to organize a RP without IC/OOC but with players who sometimes use this technique.
What is your answer?
Can you get online this weekend(question for all participators in this conversation)

Regards,

[Leon.]

Thank you Joe for your comment, it is acknowledged and it will be proceeded to the carebox and examined in details.

Did I say this is a moan/insult topic? No. If you have anything against their group, PM Cofiliano.

Regards,

Or me.
Or Eugene.
Or Tommy.

We have a low tolerance on shit like that. That's poor roleplay, even beyond IC/OOC standards. Even if one didn't recognize IC/OOC, someone asking you if you're going to kill anyone soon is not even a real reason to kill...

On their application, they are asked if they understand the IC and OOC rules and what not. They are required to say yes truthfully, otherwise, they would not have been accepted in the first place. If they lied, then that's more of a reason for them to remove their tag.

The leadership of Gvardia should be trusted by other players if another member is misbehaving. Don't hesitate to add me on MSN or PM me if you're having issues with a member or members.

Back on topic.