Take a moment to read this

[EliteTerm]

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=38424.0
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=52348.0
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=40071.0

Look at these topics: What do they all have in common? All were threats to leaving the community because of moaners and complainers, who wants to shit on everything they have worked on. All were promises that we will stop and think about their efforts and change the way we act.

1-2 years later: Where are we? Back in square one. We're bad girling about some bike system being removed because of moaners and complainers who wants to shit on everything. What is the matter with you guys? We are supposed to change our behaviors and HELP the developers create a fun SA:MP community without any problems, not sitting back and pressuring the developers, calling them worthless and retarded.

Please think about this.

[Boozman]

Good point. Respect what the Developers have done.

[Kenny.]

Its just an immature thing what alot of people do "omg bikes have been taken out, i quit argonath, i hate cbf omg" but then again i cannot blame them since 80 percent of the community are under 16.

I hope this message Elite posted is clear that making a moan topic and everyone agreeing to it which indirectly blames and makes the developers/owners work feel unwanted may lead to some good people leaving

[Mr.Joker]

Good point. Respect what the Developers have done.

+1

[Aksel]

What else can we do than taking care of ourselves and making sure we don't do anything we shouldn't and say anything we shouldn't? Administration will most likely take care of the rulebreakers I believe. In the meanwhile, we have to stay calm and make sure we don't do anything we will regret.

[Jamal]

Its easy for people to post on this topic and say 'yeah your right screw moaners' - Just as easy as it is to moan.

What I'm saying is that people, when calm and not in any distress, can be on their head, know what their talking about and peacefully explain themselves, but If your in the heat of the moment - maybe DMed losing 30k worth of guns, you will be mad, and probably do some shouting or something... but after you take some time its easier to see it wasn't that bad.

So I think that players who moan on the spot (not major moan) should be given a tempban or something... but if your constantly moaning or bringing up something from a earlier time, you should have cooled yourself and should be banned, because otherwise you may cause another departure, but it goes the same way for those saying they are going to leave - you could just give up at first becaise there is so much moan, but maybe after some people talk to you and you realize you don't have to leave, you can stay and ignore the problems.

[JDC]

Those who promised to stop moaning... yet continued to moan at the developers, are total hypocrites.

The developers worked so hard and devoted hours and hours of their free time just to create scripts that would help you play in a fun environment, but what do we get?

"GIMLI I WANT A REFUND FOR MY LOTTO TICKET!"

"THANKS A LOT WHOEVER REMOVED THE f**kING BIKES NOW I LOST A FRIEND AND BIKER RP IS RUINED"

"WHY CANT WE HAVE ONE f**kING ADMIN WHO WILL DO WHAT WE PLAYERS WANT?!"

All of these were actually said by players... the very same players who promised to change if the developers would not leave and stay working to build a better Argonath.

Seriously hypocrites, get a f**king life. Open your eyes for f**k sake then maybe you will see what those people you are moaning at, have done for you.

Sorry for my harsh language but reading those 3 topics again... and I mean the responses... have pissed me off.

[Hidduh]

So this is what you get if you keep shitting about everything..

Lost money? Deal with it.
Lost your house? Deal with it.
Got abused? Deal with it.
Don't like someone? Deal with it.

Seriously, keep shitting on everything and it will not end well for Argonath.. Disagree with something? Remain patient and friendly and explain your opinion. Been abused? Surrender and investigate your crime! Why is it so difficult to stop moaning? Grow up.. Really.. Or please seek for another community if you don't like the developers or the cop system or something else.. Leave others alone and blame yourself for being immature.. You are the problem if you moan, not others..

Moaners should be banned on sight without a warning in my opinion.. Maybe that'll learn them to stop shitting on everything..
And yes I am a bit angry about this.. Same situation as before.. Please think about the developers of this community.. They spend alot of free time to script, map and design everything, and they are doing this for free.. The owners are paying more than E150 each month to keep this community on its feet. And this is your 'thank you' to the developers? More like a 'hahalolkthnxwhatever' to me. If you have a little bit of self respect, change your attitude and show a bit of respect towards all these people who worked their asses off.

Oh and please sticky this topic.

[Void]

People need to see the very edge to realize what have they done.
It is horrible and I agree with Kenny.Most of our players are under 16. Jamal has a point in his intro sentence.It is easy to moan and say "screw moaners"
JDC: Those are the players that obviously don't know any of the administration duties, yet they judge in a mili-second. What we have here is an inevitable situation.Those exact moaners who are unsatisfied with monetary system, vehicles,houses and respect post millions of topics about leaving and how this server sucks, but in fact, they never leave.
They just stay here, change names and moan a lot more.What bothers me is that you have all this for FREE, knowingly you return and play with no obligation to repay.It is not a home-based server, its INTERNATIONAL.You gain experience in different gaming aspects, meet new, interesting people.Getting to know about them,their views/perspective of the world.All this for FREE.

[Webster]

This is the reason I never moaned for anything, and never got kicked/warned/banned for it.Since I made half of my life worse, I thought that I would enjoy the community of Argonath, and that everyone would respect the decisions and the changes of the Developers.But No, noone gave a f**k, and just moaned, I want this and i want that, I dont like you being a biker, I will go moan about bikes now, I WANT MY MONEY BAAACk, I leave server.
Those were a few examples of the moaners moaning every second on the server.
Just RESPECT the things, that The Developers/Scripters/Owners, have DONE FOR YOU, do not abuse it and moan about it.
Once you moan, than a developer threatens to leave, and you are like " PLEASE DONT LEAVE WE NEED YOU ", developer comes back, you kamikaze him with moans.I am just sick of it, and its really annoying, to hear f**king moans all day long.
I wish this community would understand what is to be a scripter/developer/owner.And how hard it is, to keep a community safe and working their asses off all night to take care of some moaners, that don't have respect for shit.If the moaners DIDN'T exist, the owners would rather go see their baby's and wife's instead of sleeping on the computer and working on the script's to make OTHERS happy.


If you do not want anyone to leave(Scripters, Owners, Developers, COmmunity Leaders etc)
RESPECT THEIR f**kING DECISION.

[Zaila]

Really good post there Elite.

In my opinion, if someone is saying they are quitting because of a change that has been made, simply ban them to help them on the way. After all, we are playing on this server for free, the developers dont ask anything in return from us so it's a big privilege to play here.

[Void]

In game, a temp ban should be issued for moaning, kick just allows him to return after 7 seconds and still moan.
Tempban solves this issue with 60 minutes. If a player doesn't relax and cool down in those 60 minutes, this game isn't for him.

[Jimmy_Bowling]

We should all be ashamed of ourselves.

[DeeJay]

Perhaps it's time to show them that it is enough with the moaning and bitching about everything. I say we ban them for a month. And let them really re-think what they have done

[Webster]

Perhaps it's time to show them that it is enough with the moaning and bad girling about everything. I say we ban them for a month. And let them really re-think what they have done

This ^