Is the Argonath Vision blurred? Do we need glasses?

[Jubin]

I think c

Deam, there are IDEA's topic for IDEA's that you can post your proposal of changes 

ops must get only deagle for free.

Pancher what he means is that you don't have to give ARPD officers SMG's in order for Argonath Vision to be implemented in server. What you can do is remove SMG's from SAPD and have them the same kind of weapons that ARPD officers have, so does not matter what kind of cop you are, you only have your free deagle, pepper spray and nightstick.

[SafetyMoose]

If everything was fair, then why would i want to spend my time working for my officer rank if it gave me no advantage at all?

[Jubin]

If everything was fair, then why would i want to spend my time working for my officer rank if it gave me no advantage at all?

Well SAPD would still exist and the hierarchy in it so for example if you are part of SAPD, then Pancher could still order other SAPD officers around and make plans on how to recapture a house or so.

SafetyMoose, ever wondered why are there Mafias if it gives you no advantage at all and why people want to be in it.

[Deam]

If everything was fair, then why would i want to spend my time working for my officer rank if it gave me no advantage at all?

So the point why you decided to have rank is free smg...?
You got dark blue name and you have some more power than cadet or ARPD officer.

[[NP]Monte Montague]

So the point why you decided to have rank is free smg...?
You got dark blue name and you have some more power than cadet or ARPD officer.

SAPD people should not join SAPD to get Dark name / SMG only, they should get it if they are probably going to spend most of there time being cop / want to work under strict procedures, a fine example and a fine officer: Recently made [NP], Rudy_Russel, he tried many roles / experiences.

If I wanted to join SAPD I would apply, but I do not prefer to work under such procedures that would limit my kind of Roleplay which is, even on Cop duty:
CoastGuard
Secret Service

I hope I see more of my Chief CBFasi, like I said when he was not around, before and now , the Server and community needs him and is incomplete without, regardless whether or not Aragorn or Gandalf is present.

Also, another thing that the server has which is against the Argonath View is the fact Freecops are not given Under Cover  rights (they tell me to apply for SAPD always  , but then I cant rp Secret Service, you get me blud?! - permission and moral rise, SAPD would be for SAPD, not Secret Service)

Dean; SAPD officer has no lawful / moral authority over any freecop, this would indeed be against Argonath view.

[Jamal]

Actually I would not mind. It would be much easier and faster for admins to catch the DMers, as when they have less powerful weapons it is harder to spot them.

Also those who like to play tough guys might be more willing to cooperate with ARPD if they knew for sure they have a heavy weapon.

But you also should think of the casualties. Put yourself in the perspective of one being DMed. You would rather want to face against a Deagle because it is harder to get good accuracy and has low shot difference, compared to lets say SMG, which shoots a lot of bullets and sprays, making it harder to escape.

[[NP]Monte Montague]

But you also should think of the casualties. Put yourself in the perspective of one being DMed. You would rather want to face against a Deagle because it is harder to get good accuracy and has low shot difference, compared to lets say SMG, which shoots a lot of bullets and sprays, making it harder to escape.

Apparently according to something I read, forgot what it is, but anyway.

We are living in a corrupt society.
So
 
I propose Gimli brings back Support for Business Funds, then Corleone for example can make an "Legit" icecream factory and hire workers, pay them from Support for Business Funds, those workers can spend the money on guns. SIMPLES.

This brings me to another point: There is not enough business opportunity / new people cannot get as rich as those from 2007.

[Kenny.]

First of all you should understand everything and everyone cannot be equal, there is always advantages for some no matter what the vision's say, the vision is just a guide not to propel the community into chaos.

If ARPD and SAPD officer are or should be the same, then why the hell would i like safetymoose said work and be active and right damn reports and such for absolute nothing.

If your telling me people are joining SAPD for the group work, then most SAPD members will leave SAPD and make their own group since we all have same advantage right? the vision

Why would i want to be under someone's command, be ordered around and shit when i can play as freecop have undercover rights, weaponequip and everything a normal SAPD member receive?

If everything was equalised then SAPD will not exist anymore and anyone would be able to do anything as a freecop.

ps; if this was implemented then i would like to roleplay SWAT when am freecop and FBI and a Chief also, all the resctricted shit..

[Jubin]

Kenny, VCPD exists and every cop has the same rights there as any VCPD officer.

[Kenny.]

Kenny, VCPD exists and every cop has the same rights there as any VCPD officer.

and here i thought we discussing SA:MP

[Jubin]

and here i thought we discussing SA:MP

You think SAMP is an exceptional place in Argonath that shouldn't have Argonath vision implied on? Also the example was made to show you that server would work if all cops would have the same rights.

Beside I have gone trough this discussion with you and JDC. Then was it about UC rights.

[Kenny.]

You think SAMP is an exceptional place in Argonath that shouldn't have Argonath vision implied on? Also the example was made to show you that server would work if all cops would have the same rights.

Beside I have gone trough this discussion with you and JDC. Then was it about UC rights.

Aight you want to hear the fucking truth?

I promise you its better to have SAPD than other police groups.

let me tell you what will happen if all cops become equal, SAPD will close down many cop groups will emerge..

what will happen? Criminals will even moan more? why

People will make their own police groups, i will be giving out $5000 ticket at every traffic stop, jail people, have heavy wepaons driver any car play corrupt do as i wish as long as am following server rules, thats all that will be holding all the police groups that will be formed, server rules.

All the procedures we follow are SAPD rules and not server rules, so imagine a group of freecops who can do whatever they want as long as they follow server rules....

We can always try this out

[[NP]Monte Montague]

Jubins point about VC:PD is correct, out of all the servers In argonath I've had acess to it's always left an impression on me, evne if I only lasted a few weeks there (after that went off to study, then SA:MP).
I could role-play SWAT without joining a group that receives a lot of criticism anyway...

Kenny, you need to wear some (Stronger) glasses.

SAPD  closes? Ok, good.
IF it does not respect other groups, as much as the FBI / Chief of ARPD does, then it should close.



Kenny, I set up a group freecops. Lasted a week or two.
The only reason I decided not to focus on it, although it was absolutely fantastic, was because I decided my statement was obvious to SWAT at the time, to respect freecops, and also because Lots of SAPD people moaned because we had no procedures like fining and making them do harsh labor instead of 180 seconds in jail (Murderers where also given the death sentence, which tonnes of SAPD officer thought was abuse- coz they where jealous) and after they serve there rp time, unsus.

[Deam]

People will make their own police groups, i will be giving out $5000 ticket at every traffic stop, jail people, have heavy wepaons driver any car play corrupt do as i wish as long as am following server rules, thats all that will be holding all the police groups that will be formed, server rules.

So why not make rules for ALL cops? Also, I dont see any reason why we should have SWAT in SAMP if they do the same work as a SAPD members. But SWAT has much more advantages... FBI is more stricted. It's hard to join FBI. But you can  enter SWAT and get same advantages as FBI members and it will be more easy. SWAT now are patrolling streets, also chasing suspects and shoot them down without any RP. I though SWAT stays here for SPECIAL operations, situations like 207 etc. but not chasing every suspect who was /su'd for speeding or reckless driving.

[xu1gua]

SMG + two freecops in one cruiser = pew pew suspects from car + pew pew tires without reason = DM = Complaining = not good = bye