/copban threats.

[Cane]

it is abuse of your /duty weapons to use them to shoot other officers , EVEN if it is a so called "Rp situation."

I do not see how it is abuse.

We may not be a RLRP server, but use some logic people. You are not given the ability to go on /duty so you can "OMFGWERPKILLCOPSCAUSEWECORRUTCOPS."

I do not see how you get this from my original post.

Don't shoot other cops, problem fixed. Want to shoot each other, go to Paruni.

You clearly took no time to read my post.

And here, I thought you knew better since you've been with Argo for such a long time.

I apologize for my shitty attitude, I was quite frustrated with the situation at the time.
I was away from the community for the past two months, and I was not aware of this dumb rule. Sorry.

Learn  some respect, you start a discussion then go onto criticize others for there response?

I'm sorry, but it was he who threatened me, and I took offense. However, I did mean what I said - his definition of corruption was absolute bullshit.

Besides, although I do not see it actively roleplayed - as in "/me tears off his badge", Cop-Ban can also be used as "suspension form police force" in cop terms.

Also stupid.

Why are we restricting possible roleplay situations with these commands? If /copban was used against the people who abuse commands, I would understand, but to use it against people who try to roleplay a corrupt? Pathetic.

[Jcstodds]

  As far as I am concerned as a admin and long standing SAPD member, commands such as /copban should not be used to limit any roleplay. I had a long discussion with a SAPD sergeant who copbanned someone for RP corruption for a day (although to be fair the RP was not explained too well on behalf of the cop).

  I would consider RP corruption as crimes committed by cops with RP reason. The RP reason can be because of a character personality, but in all situations those involved should be made aware with RP.

  Cop abuse, would be use of cop commands to gain an unfair, non-RP advantage. Now as for cop weapons, an example of abusing weapons would be going on duty to help your gang shoot another gang, because you cannot afford ammunition. An example of command abuse would be threatening players with /su and killing for money.

  Also an example of cop abuse, would be a cop doing a taxi driver job for instance (or any civilian job). And if anyone crashes his taxi, he then uses /su and shoots them. This is an unfair advantage over all other civilians as he gets money from /su, and weapons for a non RP related reason (simply being a cop for the power).

  If it was a RP corrupt cop, then they should not be using /su. This causes ball ache for all involved, and is not very fair. As long as RP corruption is enjoyed by all parties then there is not a problem. As long as it does not conflict with server rules, as long as it does not ruin peoples RP and does not take advantage of new players, then it is no problem


For all purposes, /copban is not a RP function, it is not there to serve as a RP punishment - therefor it should be not used as a threat under any circumstances. If you do feel the need to copban for "RP corruption" as you cannot summon enough imagination to think of 1 RP solution.... then you have some things to think about.

  Find RP solution for RP corruption. As you know, SAPD Sgts+ have copban rights. This is a test feature and can be easily removed if the community leaders feel it is being misused.

[Biggo2]

Some months ago I said ONE thing over /r, and got copbanned for 30 days. What the fuck is this?

[TheRock]

You should've reported to ARPD Forums Mike.

Now, First.. it's /bancop (Useless info :P), Secondly I believe that because they got such a power, they should not use it on every little offense, for example.. I have seen people shooting each other for once, and getting copbanned for an hour for that. That's wrong use.. Yes, command may exist with time limit also, but if it is a rule-break, why punish the badge only? In fact, he wont care.. as he will be off duty, and perhaps can re-DM someone later on.. So in some situations, it should be better for cops, whether it is an ARPD Regulation = Copban, or a Rulebreak = Report.

[Jcstodds]

Some months ago I said ONE thing over /r, and got copbanned for 30 days. What the f**k is this?

  We are aware of things like this, admins can sort it out.

Copban is regularly used to stop players from gaining access to free guns if we think they will constantly misuse them.

[Altair_Carter]

I thought copbans are for people who kill surrendered suspects on purpose or abuse their /suspect rights and kill the /suspect right away.

But i got so dissapointed with the system when found out that people get copbanned for really minor offenses, or even for rulebrakes.

JDC has copbanned a guy for flaming once, which is actually kickable/warnable/bannable offense.

[Wash]

copban should only be used by admins regardless of whichever rank you have in sapd because really no one in sapd has the right to cop ban anyone else, they can kick them from sapd but not ban them from being a cop.
admins deal with rulebreaking and cop bans should only ever be used for people who rulebreak, i.e. /su abuse, but not for any form of corruption regardless of whether it's kidnapping, murder (not same as dm), etc.

[Gandalf]

I'm sorry, but this is wrong. I find it disgusting how people with the ability to use /copban is threatening others with it. Earlier this evening, I was involved in a roleplay situation where two corrupt police officers and I were in a combat situation, when a certain individual with the /copban powers showed up, and said, "Stop shooting each other if you don't want to lose your right to go on duty" (Not an exact quote). When he was told about the full situation, he insisted that we were breaking the rules, and also said, "Shooting each other on duty is enough to get you copbanned" (Again, not an exact quote).

So is this what Argonath has come to? Are we restricted on roleplaying corrupted police officers now? Both sides agreed to the situation, and yet, we're threatened to be banished from performing a great roleplay situation.

This has to stop.

What has to stop is being being inactive coming back to complain about what they say are "new rules", just to disturb things.

If you are a cop, there is not a single reason to open fire on a fellow cop.
As for making threats, I prefer actions.

[JDC]

JDC has copbanned a guy for flaming once, which is actually kickable/warnable/bannable offense.

Cop banning certain individuals makes a more profound impact on them than simply warning / kicking them, as some people value the /duty command much more than others. While cop-banned, they can wander around on the server and perhaps experience what it feels like to have what they did to their victims, done to them. Such experiences can help them learn more.

Also, when I am on cop duty, I make it known in the police radio that the officers should not misuse their rights or face a very high possibility of a cop ban, whether it be from an hour up to a month.

[EminemRulez]

You'll get copbanned for complaining now...

[Flakattak_88]

When I was new I got a copban for not shooting suspects, I'm %100 serious

[[SE]Dr_Pepper27]

But...... but.... I thought you couldn't limit role play...

[EminemRulez]

But...... but.... I thought you couldn't limit role play...

Where have you read such thing? lol

[Jcstodds]

But...... but.... I thought you couldn't limit role play...

  If they are good enough RPers then no one would cop ban them...


I think this kinda makes things clear:

As cop you should follow the procedures and actions of real life law officers.
That means that if you choose to play a corrupt or criminal cop, you can be suspended from service (copbanneD). This is valid for all.

  I admit myself, from my earlier post you can see my ideals are different, but this makes it easier to enforce.

[Leon.]

I once got copbanned for doing a bomb threat on duty.

Luckily, another person with abilities to uncopban had a brain and uncopbanned me.