PC vs Console gaming

[Caltson]

Lol on this whole thread.


Expensive computers? Yhe that's for those uneducated people who just buys everything they see.

Virus problems? Yhe for those who click on everything they see. Probaly those would also stick thier hand into something dangerous just to "see what it is".

Technical diffuculty? Yhe for uneducated people. Taking your time to learn atleast the basics of the PC will save you around 1000$ in pc reperations.

Drivers? Oh really? People who go to an computer "specialist" and pay like 50$ just to have an f**king drivers installed in 5 minutes is just lol. Learn the PC.

I got my first PC in 1998 and it could run games up to 2005 on low settings (Most of them, some was simply out of range).

I'm not saying consoles are shit, but the anti-pc arguments in this thread are just pulled out of the ass.
Also, Yes you need to upgrade your computer IF you are going to play with the best of the best graphics. Lame.
Playing GTA IV on the lowest possible on 1440x900. No problems here. Runs fine. Looks fine. Does not need 10x bloom on it. Or HDR for the matter.

And ofc your did not build it yourself (and if you did. I must congratulate you), Nethier did you check for hardware compatibility with eachother.  For example having 1 Western Digital Harddrive and then an Maxtor in the same configuration will reduce perfomane by an tiny bit. Tiny yes, but it is in the calculation.

Are you running alot of programs in the background aswell? Are you running Norton Antivirus (Anyone using it. Get rid of it asap, because it's the Malware of the Malware)? And are you using the eye candy on windows 7?

How your computer fails to peform with gta IV in an good sense, is beyond me.

Also, when they ported GTA IV, they also increased the ammount of eye candy you can have. And with the 1.7 Gta IV patch, perfomance got an HUGE boost on any computer. Not to mention when they did the port, Rockstar games themself failed hardcore on the coding, which in turn reduces the perfomance. When they ported it. The port coding was done very very badly and in an cheap way. Now I wonder, is it the computers fault for gta iv not peforming top notch, or is it the developers who failed hardcore?

Acting to be the most superior person about this issue is wrong to do. In fact you're making a complete false statement about me there and is unacepptable. Your behaviour is crossing the line heavily with provokations nobody should take. I insist that you remove the provokative parts of your message right now. You can't just post something to break down someone else in order to make yourself look superior, this is a discussion topic, not a 'go pick on someone because i disagree!' topic.

My system is a computer not built by me because it's a laptop (unless you build your laptops yourself, but at least that's something we're both certain about it's not..) and is one of the best kind you can get for this time being. Consisting out of a powerfull i7 - core and 6GB of DDRIII RAM, chosen by myself and installed by myself, this computer is running at full speed and runs everything excellent, apart from GTA IV. As you give me the impression you are not aware about the coding of GTA IV, i'll clear it up for you:

GTA IV is a very intensive CPU game, this is why many computers experience issues with the game, as it asks too much from the CPU than any other game. Crysis 2, Mass Effect, Test Drive, everything runs on superhigh detail, but GTA IV can't even run on the lowest settings. My CPU is not the problem, all speeds are running excellent, but the game doesn't know how to handle the power of the i7, really discouraging tough, isn't it?

As for virusses, drivers and such, I rather prefer someone without knowledge to contact a specialist than someone pretending to be an experienced engineer and end up with major trouble in the end. It's not the first time I passed such kind of people, thinking they can install drivers from the internet without any problem, then mess up the complete graphic of the system by installing the wrong driver manually. Virusses can come from everywhere, Never say you can't get a virus, because it will. The best ways are, if you don't have any experience to contact a specialist. Don't think you can handle it all on your own with your superleet virus scanner, if he doesn't remove it, you go to the specialist, unless you REALLY know what you are doing.

Many people want to deal with it on their own and go mess in the register, having no clue what they're actually modifying, that is, in my opinion, much worse than someone with no experience, clever enough to let someone else take care of his problems.

Now, after reading all this I feel like this proves the point where a console is cheaper. If you really want something only for gaming/internet/movies/music and images, I recommend the Playstation 3 to anyone. A computer for other purposes. An upgrade for a decent video card and CPU together costs the amount of the current Playstation 3 already, unless you are happy with second grade hardware.

[Julio.]

The U.S. Army bought 20.000 PS3's if i recall correctly to support their servers with power.

lol, what a fucking waste of money

[Gird3r]

I won't retract my statement that the anti-pc arguments are pulled out of the ass.

And what the heck are people doing on an computer if that cannot even bother to learn? Really?
Your own damn fault if you cannot bother to learn. Shelling out money for repairments. We "PC-repair" people earn nice money on people neglecting to learn about what they are using. I'm ready to learn an new thing every f**king day.

There's an difference in people. People who learn as much as they can to develop thier own knowledge, and people who are just f**king lazy and want everything handed to them in an silverplate. No wonder the human race is devolving in intelligence.
I'm not going to place you in ethier category. I'd rather say you are an normal person in this sense. nethier greedy. But not really "experienced" ethier.

And if the laptop you have is so powerfull, how come you still cannot run GTA IV in an modest sense? Where did it go wrong? Yes, Rockstar games being f**king stupid while porting GTA IV is what happened. You can't blame the goddamn computer for being inferior to an console when the goddamned game was Ported from an console using shitty code.

And I can build an laptop. Not maybe "lol herp derp apple style", but give me an SSD and an Micro-ATX motherboard with interigated graphics. An processor. and an slim 16" LCD screen. Ram and then I can personally build an customised Power supply in order to trim down the fat on the computer case. After that, I just need to buy an compact keyboard, and form something to hold everything in. There is your laptop. Don't belivie me? Laptop is an Portable computer with an foldable screen. I can fold the damn screen to if it's neccesary.


Knowledge is golden.

There's also only one thing that makes GTA IV require more CPU: Endorphin. That one makes more calculations to the body meshes than the actual graphics.

Not knowing about GTA IV coding? I already f**king stated where it went wrong. Ignorance is NOT an bliss. And nethier are your arguments.

How are you clever if you shove your problems onto someone else? Especially when it comes to money?

I have already saved myself circa 500$ just on pc reperations because I actually took care of my own problems.
Do you know how many computers I have worked with? Do you know how many years of experience I have in this field? Specifically PC-repairing? I got well enough to be able to repair an computer. And I got well enough to have the right to say that your anti-pc arguments is dead wrong.
I have even on purpose killed one of my own computers, Just to LEARN more. I infected my own computers with virus, malware and worms. In order to study it's coding behaviour.


So, not only do you steal my arguments (GTA IV being ported in an shitty way), but you also contradict yourself. You say that I put up an false statement? Okay right. But you also insult my knowledge in this field. That's why you are contradicting yourself.

Maybe if you turned off all that eye candy shit that's on the laptop (and killed off half of the shit that windows runs for absolutely no reason) you would be able to enjoy GTA IV perfectly.

Hell, tell me where you live. Give me some time to save money for plane tickets. And I will come and trim your computer into oblivion. Just to proove to you just how little you actually know about windows and it's shenanigans.

Anyone can get an virus yes. But I can remove it. We actually got an virus on our school. 3 guys including me banded togheter. And solved it in 2 hours. In just 2 hours, we had found an cure to it and removed it from over 150 school computers, the school IT department failed on this, thier anti-virus solutetion failed on it. We also coded our own Auto-remove software for that particular virus.

And did you know, that even an specialist has to sometimes format your whole computer. Even he cannot repair anything. And then you are standing there like an fool, while he demand another 60$ just to format the f**king computer.

To finish this, don't talk shit about computers when you know little about it.

And oh, nethier did you care to outline to me what you found provoking. So what is there to remove from the f**king post?

It annoys me how you can talk shit about computers when you do not got the knowledge to back it up. Proove me wrong on this and I'll leave this thread alone.

Oh, you also talk about being cheaper, but then you go ahead an buy an expensive laptop computer and then whine when it does not work as you want it to ala silverplate. My avatar is how I feel about your arguments. Shocking really at thier ignorance.

[Julio.]

RyanC, my CPU is worse than yours and it Runs GTA IV perfectly

Then again, I have a Geforce GTX 280, these cards contain 'CUDA' Cores which are effectively thousands of Micro Proessors doing the same job as a CPU, a Video Encoding exercise on an i7 took 4 days, it took the CUDA Core Graphics Cards roughly 40 minutes, that is true awesomeness.

Gird3r, I am learning about Computers now, this is the first one I've built and I've already learnt so much, so I agree with your statement that you should take the time to earn these things

Also, a full size PC could be a laptop, you can buy Supplementary 'Batteries' for your PC as a backup, and you can attach a monitor to the case, Bobs your Uncle, you have a Massive oversized laptop 
I also found you need ingenuity, my case was physically big enough to fit the Graphics Card inside, but the Hard Drive rack got in the way, to cut a long story short, the Hard Drive rack was removed and the Hard Drive was put in the floppy drive slot, simple ;D

RyanC, I understand what you are saying about wanting a Specialist to sort something out, but while they are doing it, watch, ask them questions, this will save you money in the future.

[Gird3r]

RyanC, my CPU is worse than yours and it Runs GTA IV perfectly

Then again, I have a Geforce GTX 280, these cards contain 'CUDA' Cores which are effectively thousands of Micro Proessors doing the same job as a CPU, a Video Encoding exercise on an i7 took 4 days, it took the CUDA Core Graphics Cards roughly 40 minutes, that is true awesomeness.

Gird3r, I am learning about Computers now, this is the first one I've built and I've already learnt so much, so I agree with your statement that you should take the time to earn these things

Also, a full size PC could be a laptop, you can buy Supplementary 'Batteries' for your PC as a backup, and you can attach a monitor to the case, Bobs your Uncle, you have a Massive oversized laptop 
I also found you need ingenuity, my case was physically big enough to fit the Graphics Card inside, but the Hard Drive rack got in the way, to cut a long story short, the Hard Drive rack was removed and the Hard Drive was put in the floppy drive slot, simple ;D

RyanC, I understand what you are saying about wanting a Specialist to sort something out, but while they are doing it, watch, ask them questions, this will save you money in the future.

Finnaly someone understand where i'm going at.

Laptops also contain specially trimmed and custom built interigated graphics. That means in short that the graphics are built into the motherboard. This is what allows people to build laptops.

Heck, just for the fun of it. I now have an project to do. I'm going to attempt to build an slimmed down laptop, USING only my own knowledge, and the tools I have at home. I will trim away as much fat as I possibly can. Just need to start gather money for it. I need an new laptop anyways.

Here's an modified xbox 360. It's basically an computer and console in one.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/11/ben-heckendorns-xbox-360-laptop-best-mod-ever/

[Julio.]

Finnaly someone understand where i'm going at.

Laptops also contain specially trimmed and custom built interigated graphics. That means in short that the graphics are built into the motherboard. This is what allows people to build laptops.

Heck, just for the fun of it. I now have an project to do. I'm going to attempt to build an slimmed down laptop, USING only my own knowledge, and the tools I have at home. I will trim away as much fat as I possibly can. Just need to start gather money for it. I need an new laptop anyways.

I think laptops have Mini PCIs?

Do they do an adaptor to PCIe x6 with a Power Pack also for it so you can have a full size Graphics Card that is outside the Laptop? :o

[Gird3r]

I think laptops have Mini PCIs?

Do they do an adaptor to PCIe x6 with a Power Pack also for it so you can have a full size Graphics Card that is outside the Laptop? :o

It is very possible to have an external graphics card. But so far I have not seen it in an slim version. That means for an stationary computer.

Should be possible to make this. Anything is possible to modify for an computer if you got the knowledge for it. Sadly, soldering and me does not go hand in hand, but that does not mean I'm not aware of how most of it works.

Also, I do not think an Laptop battery could provide the power needed for an regular graphic card. hence why I belivie they use special designed interigated graphics. And I'm not sure if an USB cable can power it, since it only have an power supply of 5V (USB 2.0)

But I found something intresting here.

http://www.villagetronic.com/vidock2/index.html

[Julio.]

It is very possible to have an external graphics card. But so far I have not seen it in an slim version. That means for an stationary computer.

Should be possible to make this. Anything is possible to modify for an computer if you got the knowledge for it. Sadly, soldering and me does not go hand in hand, but that does not mean I'm not aware of how most of it works.

Also, I do not think an Laptop battery could provide the power needed for an regular graphic card. hence why I belivie they use special designed interigated graphics.

Regarding the pwer issue, thats why I suggested an extra power pack to ower it

All I know is that Graphics cards do not have mounts in USB form as the Bandwidth is far too low, and you'd spend 200 pounds on a Card that could not use its full potential.

My Graphics card gets that hot I reckon I could make toast with it 

[Gird3r]

Regarding the pwer issue, thats why I suggested an extra power pack to ower it

All I know is that Graphics cards do not have mounts in USB form as the Bandwidth is far too low, and you'd spend 200 pounds on a Card that could not use its full potential.

My Graphics card gets that hot I reckon I could make toast with it 

Yhe. You are right about the power pack.

[Abraham]

Sup Gird3r?

[Gird3r]

Sup Gird3r?

Good.

And I think we need to end the off-topic. Now.

As for the argument between RyanC and me, I am awaiting what he has to say.

[Alarba]

I love my mouse and keyboard. And i ain't using facebook nor steam...

[Caltson]

I won't retract my statement that the anti-pc arguments are pulled out of the ass.

And what the heck are people doing on an computer if that cannot even bother to learn? Really?
Your own damn fault if you cannot bother to learn. Shelling out money for repairments. We "PC-repair" people earn nice money on people neglecting to learn about what they are using. I'm ready to learn an new thing every f**king day.

There's an difference in people. People who learn as much as they can to develop thier own knowledge, and people who are just f**king lazy and want everything handed to them in an silverplate. No wonder the human race is devolving in intelligence.
I'm not going to place you in ethier category. I'd rather say you are an normal person in this sense. nethier greedy. But not really "experienced" ethier.

And if the laptop you have is so powerfull, how come you still cannot run GTA IV in an modest sense? Where did it go wrong? Yes, Rockstar games being f**king stupid while porting GTA IV is what happened. You can't blame the goddamn computer for being inferior to an console when the goddamned game was Ported from an console using shitty code.

And I can build an laptop. Not maybe "lol herp derp apple style", but give me an SSD and an Micro-ATX motherboard with interigated graphics. An processor. and an slim 16" LCD screen. Ram and then I can personally build an customised Power supply in order to trim down the fat on the computer case. After that, I just need to buy an compact keyboard, and form something to hold everything in. There is your laptop. Don't belivie me? Laptop is an Portable computer with an foldable screen. I can fold the damn screen to if it's neccesary.


Knowledge is golden.

There's also only one thing that makes GTA IV require more CPU: Endorphin. That one makes more calculations to the body meshes than the actual graphics.

Not knowing about GTA IV coding? I already f**king stated where it went wrong. Ignorance is NOT an bliss. And nethier are your arguments.

How are you clever if you shove your problems onto someone else? Especially when it comes to money?

I have already saved myself circa 500$ just on pc reperations because I actually took care of my own problems.
Do you know how many computers I have worked with? Do you know how many years of experience I have in this field? Specifically PC-repairing? I got well enough to be able to repair an computer. And I got well enough to have the right to say that your anti-pc arguments is dead wrong.
I have even on purpose killed one of my own computers, Just to LEARN more. I infected my own computers with virus, malware and worms. In order to study it's coding behaviour.


So, not only do you steal my arguments (GTA IV being ported in an shitty way), but you also contradict yourself. You say that I put up an false statement? Okay right. But you also insult my knowledge in this field. That's why you are contradicting yourself.

Maybe if you turned off all that eye candy shit that's on the laptop (and killed off half of the shit that windows runs for absolutely no reason) you would be able to enjoy GTA IV perfectly.

Hell, tell me where you live. Give me some time to save money for plane tickets. And I will come and trim your computer into oblivion. Just to proove to you just how little you actually know about windows and it's shenanigans.

Anyone can get an virus yes. But I can remove it. We actually got an virus on our school. 3 guys including me banded togheter. And solved it in 2 hours. In just 2 hours, we had found an cure to it and removed it from over 150 school computers, the school IT department failed on this, thier anti-virus solutetion failed on it. We also coded our own Auto-remove software for that particular virus.

And did you know, that even an specialist has to sometimes format your whole computer. Even he cannot repair anything. And then you are standing there like an fool, while he demand another 60$ just to format the f**king computer.

To finish this, don't talk shit about computers when you know little about it.

And oh, nethier did you care to outline to me what you found provoking. So what is there to remove from the f**king post?

It annoys me how you can talk shit about computers when you do not got the knowledge to back it up. Proove me wrong on this and I'll leave this thread alone.

Oh, you also talk about being cheaper, but then you go ahead an buy an expensive laptop computer and then whine when it does not work as you want it to ala silverplate. My avatar is how I feel about your arguments. Shocking really at thier ignorance.

Your 'Anti-Console' Arguements don't stand like a pole in the water either! I'm really starting to get it on my nerves with people commenting on someone else they do not even know in real life.. How the hell do you know what my knowledge of engineering is? As mentioned before, I've worked 2 years in such career and now I'm going to hear I have no knowledge?
If you can't simply face the damn fact that a PS3 can run as strong as a computer, then it's just you being some kind of fanboy. I don't talk everything good about the PS3, it has its problems like the RAM which is too low for such a system, but saying it doesn't make a chance against computer is just a statement made from a subjective mind. I'm not going to start argueing on how I see a laptop being built, I'm not talking about the hardware but also about the exterior, which must completely fit with the hardware, If you are going to tell me you're making an own exterior for your laptops, then I'd think you should start asking money for it.

Aslong your post may be, I cannot go into the complete details as most of them remain a discussion offtopic, unneeded to keep argueing about. As for defending myself:

I have saved even more than $500 on saving cash, that's something I can swear on. I've fixed multiple computers at home, some of them were ready for the junk yard and work excellent even now, 3 years later from when it occured. I earn money from people inviting me to take a look at their computers, mostly a slight error or virus that has been the result of letting their kids behind the computer, I really do understand and know what it is like to have problems and fix these, I'm a person that takes all the knowledge as I can get, Because I understand it will help me later on anyway.

Specialist only have to format a Computer when the system's too fucked by the person who uses it after a virus attack in which case he DID try to help it himself, but only brought more damage to the situation. Another situation is where people try to install their drivers and do it wrong. Whenever a critical piece of hardware must be replaced like the motherboard or RAM it is likely that the specialist will re-install the system to prevent it from running slow.

As for my study on Virusses, I'm running several virtual computers (trough VMWare) to attract virusses and learn how to deal with them. This is the best way to my idea to get known of a virus and how to delete it even if the virus shut down some of the computer's base functions like the task manager and administrative privileges.

Anyway, I'm going way to offtopic, Just had to make you understand that i'm really not the type of person that claims to be 'pro' but doesn't know a shit about the entire situation.

[Gird3r]

Your 'Anti-Console' Arguements don't stand like a pole in the water either! I'm really starting to get it on my nerves with people commenting on someone else they do not even know in real life.. How the hell do you know what my knowledge of engineering is? As mentioned before, I've worked 2 years in such career and now I'm going to hear I have no knowledge?
If you can't simply face the damn fact that a PS3 can run as strong as a computer, then it's just you being some kind of fanboy. I don't talk everything good about the PS3, it has its problems like the RAM which is too low for such a system, but saying it doesn't make a chance against computer is just a statement made from a subjective mind. I'm not going to start argueing on how I see a laptop being built, I'm not talking about the hardware but also about the exterior, which must completely fit with the hardware, If you are going to tell me you're making an own exterior for your laptops, then I'd think you should start asking money for it.

Aslong your post may be, I cannot go into the complete details as most of them remain a discussion offtopic, unneeded to keep argueing about. As for defending myself:

I have saved even more than $500 on saving cash, that's something I can swear on. I've fixed multiple computers at home, some of them were ready for the junk yard and work excellent even now, 3 years later from when it occured. I earn money from people inviting me to take a look at their computers, mostly a slight error or virus that has been the result of letting their kids behind the computer, I really do understand and know what it is like to have problems and fix these, I'm a person that takes all the knowledge as I can get, Because I understand it will help me later on anyway.

Specialist only have to format a Computer when the system's too f**ked by the person who uses it after a virus attack in which case he DID try to help it himself, but only brought more damage to the situation. Another situation is where people try to install their drivers and do it wrong. Whenever a critical piece of hardware must be replaced like the motherboard or RAM it is likely that the specialist will re-install the system to prevent it from running slow.

As for my study on Virusses, I'm running several virtual computers (trough VMWare) to attract virusses and learn how to deal with them. This is the best way to my idea to get known of a virus and how to delete it even if the virus shut down some of the computer's base functions like the task manager and administrative privileges.

Anyway, I'm going way to offtopic, Just had to make you understand that i'm really not the type of person that claims to be 'pro' but doesn't know a shit about the entire situation.

Stop contradicting yourself. If it is as you say, then you are also "commenting". I have utmost respect for you not resorting to mod tools in order to proove your point.

As for the "driver" situation. I cannot with honest eyes look at an person with an smile when they say "herp derp fix this for me". That's just fucking retarded. If they want help they are going to earn it. Money or not.

Also, if you did not notice. I'm not even bringing consoles into the equation. Where the fuck did that come from? My posts has only one goal. To inform you that your anti-pc arguments are shit.

If you swear on it. Then I will take it granted that I am talking to someone who's not uneducated in computers. So let's pump this up an notch.

I will continue the bickering later. But I am actually going to help you.

I will PM you an Question sheet. And you are going to be honest in it. It will be aimed at neutrality. After that, I'm going to make you fix your computer, get rid of the shit that's clogging it (belivie me, if you are running windows vista/7, you have alot of uneeded shit that needs to begone). What I am saying, is that you are going to give the PC an honest chance, and you are going to tweak it properly like the way you swear that you can do. Wanna give it an try? Or continue the argumenting further? Also, there will be NO register tweaks. Fuck that shit. You don't like it so we will not even touch it for an minute.
Also to add on:

Also, fact is an fact, You took an game into the argumenting, In this case GTA IV, that has one of the worst porting code ever done. Sure there are worser, but I'd say the ones who did the porting code was an amateur, or just really really dumb, and then use that as an argument?

Oh by the way. You worked for 2 years with freelancing computer repairing/engineering? As I understood it, correct me here.

I have been working with computers every single day, for over 9 years now. Sure, you might have some form of official degree in it, but 9 years of hobby working on computers. And onto that, I studied in two electronics classes. 3 programming courses (sure it was VB but what the hell), and an 3 years computers course. I have also studied in the basics/an bit more than basics in Network classes. I am not the kind you describe that fucks shit up randomly, nethier am I the one who just changes something in the register and then pray for it to go right.

I might not have had as many "real" jobs into computers. But I've had 2 freelancing jobs. And I have fixed an computer twice. Recovering it from an serious Virus infection both times (my mom is an fucking retard sometimes).

In all, you sound like me. Experimenting in safe enviroments. The only difference I do it hardcore. Infecting my real OS.
As for the VMWare, I do not think it will happen, but make sure that the Virtual LAN options between the real OS and the Virtual OS is off, otherwise the virus might (just might) spread to the real one.

Gird3r's webcam video 30 april 2011 10:08 (PDT)

That is my computer. It looks like an piece of junk, but can run some games that people tought I could not even run.
See the big hole? Yhe. That is how an Nerds computer looks like. I had to shave off the entire front case to fir the cables properly. My harddrive is fastened by bands and is practically hanging mid-air. Some can say "that shit is gonna break any moment". But so can any computer. The motherboard has been running fine since 2007. Been experimenting. :P

TO be honest, the only thing I am missing, Is an proper job so I can move from home. According to your profile. I'm also 1 year older than you.
I'd easily trade in all my computer knowledge and skill, in order to have an job and live an normal life. Maybe we can switch place? You can have my 9 years of computer knowledge, and I can have your job so I can live an normal life.

[Caltson]

Stop contradicting yourself. If it is as you say, then you are also "commenting". I have utmost respect for you not resorting to mod tools in order to proove your point.

As for the "driver" situation. I cannot with honest eyes look at an person with an smile when they say "herp derp fix this for me". That's just f**king retarded. If they want help they are going to earn it. Money or not.

Also, if you did not notice. I'm not even bringing consoles into the equation. Where the f**k did that come from? My posts has only one goal. To inform you that your anti-pc arguments are shit.

If you swear on it. Then I will take it granted that I am talking to someone who's not uneducated in computers. So let's pump this up an notch.

I will continue the bickering later. But I am actually going to help you.

I will PM you an Question sheet. And you are going to be honest in it. It will be aimed at neutrality. After that, I'm going to make you fix your computer, get rid of the shit that's clogging it (belivie me, if you are running windows vista/7, you have alot of uneeded shit that needs to begone). What I am saying, is that you are going to give the PC an honest chance, and you are going to tweak it properly like the way you swear that you can do. Wanna give it an try? Or continue the argumenting further? Also, there will be NO register tweaks. f**k that shit. You don't like it so we will not even touch it for an minute.
Also to add on:

Also, fact is an fact, You took an game into the argumenting, In this case GTA IV, that has one of the worst porting code ever done. Sure there are worser, but I'd say the ones who did the porting code was an amateur, or just really really dumb, and then use that as an argument?

Oh by the way. You worked for 2 years with freelancing computer repairing/engineering? As I understood it, correct me here.

I have been working with computers every single day, for over 9 years now. Sure, you might have some form of official degree in it, but 9 years of hobby working on computers. And onto that, I studied in two electronics classes. 3 programming courses (sure it was VB but what the hell), and an 3 years computers course. I have also studied in the basics/an bit more than basics in Network classes. I am not the kind you describe that f**ks shit up randomly, nethier am I the one who just changes something in the register and then pray for it to go right.

I might not have had as many "real" jobs into computers. But I've had 2 freelancing jobs. And I have fixed an computer twice. Recovering it from an serious Virus infection both times (my mom is an f**king retard sometimes).

In all, you sound like me. Experimenting in safe enviroments. The only difference I do it hardcore. Infecting my real OS.
As for the VMWare, I do not think it will happen, but make sure that the Virtual LAN options between the real OS and the Virtual OS is off, otherwise the virus might (just might) spread to the real one.

Gird3r's webcam video 30 april 2011 10:08 (PDT)

That is my computer. It looks like an piece of junk, but can run some games that people tought I could not even run.
See the big hole? Yhe. That is how an Nerds computer looks like. I had to shave off the entire front case to fir the cables properly. My harddrive is fastened by bands and is practically hanging mid-air. Some can say "that shit is gonna break any moment". But so can any computer. The motherboard has been running fine since 2007. Been experimenting. :P

TO be honest, the only thing I am missing, Is an proper job so I can move from home. According to your profile. I'm also 1 year older than you.
I'd easily trade in all my computer knowledge and skill, in order to have an job and live an normal life. Maybe we can switch place? You can have my 9 years of computer knowledge, and I can have your job so I can live an normal life.

I can see your point there, but you can't expect that anyone knows what a driver is. For example a granny cannot be expected from installing drivers. Others use their computers on special occasions and don't know anything about them because they're better at parts we're no good at, Then i'd say it's a good idea to bring the computer to someone else instead of trying to fix it yourself, which might be a chance to ruin your computer completely. I've seen it once, some kind of game guy (one of the type thinking he is a computer pro, fact was he was only good at WoW..) tried to install his own drivers and windows XP (back at the time Windows 7 didn't exist) and messed up with his graphics card. I was really glad he did NOT overclock his cpu, because that would be the moment where everything should be going to shit.

What I would like you to know tough is that since the stop of my career in 2010 (I believe it was more Half 2009 tough), I never went back into PC Engineering. Sure, I understand the aspects and building computers in something that never gets learned off, but I might show signs of outdating. For a fact, I never experienced myself with the most recent CPU's apart from those from i7. This might be the part where you might see a problem in me.

About Windows 7, I know it's got a load of shitload installed that nobody needs and literally eats your RAM. When gaming I make sure to turn off any of these and shutdown any process not relevant to my computer's main tasks (except the game itself  ) However, The transperancy theme looks awesome and is enabled whenever i'm just on the internet and so.

Currently I do not work any longer as PC Engineer. Due to a bad financial state of the business (mainly caused by the boss itself to my idea, as the business was running excellent, he kept buying business cars and phones...) he had to fire his 2 and only staff members, which included me and someone else. After that I've decided to stop my career and go work as Sales Manager, which is currently a job I do with all dedication and motivation. People say I'm born to socialize with people, espescially in a Business surrounding, So I don't expect to leave the position too fast, until my studies are finished.

The PC-Engineer stage in my life was more like a 'pause' button before moving to the actual goals of my life; Study and a job to support me in my studies aswell. PC-Engineering was a complete different story.

To the folks except me and Girder, Sorry for the eventual offtopic, but we're having a good discussion here!   :razz: