I wanna close my eyes in samp unban request section

[Gird3r]

And it happens again.

Admins are eviiiil.

Chatlogs comes up (Yes I count that list as an chatlog)

Now waiting for step number 3.....

Garfield, take an good look at the rule book before you continue playing.
You was given an third chance now, and that suprises me... better not waste it.

[Mashgash]

This is what I like.
3rdTempbanned by Salmonella    racism, lying to admins, provoke, ramming.    April 22 2011 13:33
2ndKicked by Salmonella    not funny - go somewhere else with your ''jokes''.    April 22 2011 13:25
1stWarned by Salmonella    Drop it.    April 22 2011 13:24
And no, ban isn't used VERY much, but sometimes it is used in wrong situations or to early (in my opinion). I mean, sure veteran players should know the rules but no one is perfect and everyone making mistakes, yes even veteran players. It's no reason to ban veteran players and then write in the unban request ''You're a veteran, you should know the rules''. Treat everyone the same at the server, give everyone the same punishment, or atleast try so hard you can inside the administrator team.

Sincerely
 Mash Gordon

[Leon.]

Please :
- I do not want replies from banned people like : "The admin .... banned me for this .... reason, ....flammin' " - those replies will get deleted, and a forum report will be on your head.

This may somewhat go against your wishes, Joker, but my intentions are not to whine about some BS ban. My intentions are to give a good example of a decent ban.
Some time ago, I used to pull off some of the most disgustingly racist jokes ever to be seen on Argonath. I didn't just go around shouting the n-word every five seconds. Petty shit like that doesn't deserve a ban. I went as far as the cruel shit like "DEAD <N-WORD> IN TRUNK" or some stupid lynching shit. I did it for a while before the ban, though it was much more minor. It just got worse and worse. Unintentionally, I somehow made it that admins couldn't really notice it. A while later, I got banned for it, as personally requested by Ronnel for racism. Not just plain racism, but EXTREME racism.

Things like what I did is perfect for bans. Things NOT perfect for bans, as determined by basic general knowledge:
-One little DM incident. This includes the famous ban reason of cophunting/dming when someone shoots at a cop with a white name. Maybe if they keep doing it in spite of your kicks and tempbans, a ban is certainly in place.
-Aggravated flaming - Example is some random person provoking a group with some remark that others outside of the group would not find offensive, and then the group begins flaming. Aggravated flaming does not include flaming someone just because they accidentally rammed you or because they killed you.
-Banning some veteran for a minor offense just because they "should know the rules." Veterans are just as capable of being ignorant as new players.

long post

You're only mad because this topic applies to you.
Post Merge: May 26, 2011, 09:48:03 pm

This is what I like.
3rdTempbanned by Salmonella    racism, lying to admins, provoke, ramming.    April 22 2011 13:33
2ndKicked by Salmonella    not funny - go somewhere else with your ''jokes''.    April 22 2011 13:25
1stWarned by Salmonella    Drop it.    April 22 2011 13:24

Same here, brother. I personally would follow a warn-kick-kick-tempban-ban routine for minor offenses, but what Salmonella is doing is just fine.

This is NOT fine by general standards:
1st Warned by admin    Stop flaming.      <insert random date>
2nd Banned by admin    I WARNED JOO U NO DA RUELS      <insert random date>

[Gird3r]

Cephalectomy.

Regulars is and have always been expected to know the rules.
This is also why punishments pretty much always are softer on new players who are not quite clear with the rules.
Your one-liner is also pretty funny, you could not resist? If you are going to provoke me, then try harder.
Now time to argument with you.



"2nd Banned by admin    I WARNED JOO U NO DA RUELS      <insert random date>"

What the f**k is this crap? Show me an ban record that contains something as silly as this.
Minor? Yhe the minor cases piles up sooner or later. What you guys are stuck at, is you assume that the "banned" player never has been punished before.
"though it was much more minor".
You guys needs to STOP seperating Reasons from punishment category. It's not working in that way.

Or so you can understand:
/warn ID Deathmatching
/kick ID Deathmatching
/tempban ID min Deathmatching
/ban ID Deathmatching.

What you guys are trying to do, is seperate these into thier own section.



Racism is racism, Minor or not. They can /warn you for racism. Or if deemed neccesary. /ban you for racism. Or anything else as an punishment for breaking the rules. Stop excusing what you did in the past on "minor".
But hey, let's be the smartass crack joke on racism. black black black. I'm sure as f**k everyone will appreciate it...
NOT. Stop excusing your shit as something "minor".

"One little DM incident".
And if the regular is your avarage immature kid.
One more and one more and one more.
But it's just an little indicent, Well. Now there's 10 of those small incidents.

Somehow, you guys got the "mindset" that admins are people who sit on thier ass with an whip and whip you in the back if you even dare to let out an tiny drop of sweat. Sorry, but you are wRONg.
I say it once again. Admins who truly are guilty for abusing or rulebreaking, will get the punishment they deserve.

In general. f**king read what cutter said. So I don't have to sit here and bash it into your heads.
In the end before an punishment, everything is an call of judgement.

(And yes Que and You are the ones who argument with me the most. Sometimes we agree. Sometimes we don't. Live with it and show me an better argument than attempting to provoke me).

[JDC]

Banned by [RPIT]JDC_Kolta     Discrimination, justifying wrong actions.     May 16 2011 12:18
Warned by =AV=9r2e5i3k    stop flooding /report.    May 15 2011 20:01
Kicked by Doggi    Your language is disgusting me.    May 14 2011 20:42
Tempbanned by Daxx    Killing after surrendering...    May 14 2011 18:38
Kicked by Doggi    Moaning ater punishment - complain at [email protected].    May 13 2011 17:28
Banana by Trane_Kiedis       May 13 2011 17:27
Kicked by =AV=9r2e5i3k    flaming/bad language.    May 13 2011 16:55
Kicked by [RPIT]JDC_Kolta    Flaming.    May 13 2011 16:32
Warned by =AV=9r2e5i3k    bad language.    May 12 2011 13:18
Warned by Cailan    Telling others to ''Stfu'' trough /PM.    May 11 2011 19:34
Warned by Robert_Soc    ignoring admins.    May 11 2011 19:23
Kicked by Cailan    Carkilling , lying to Administration. You were in the dozer.    May 07 2011 16:27
Kicked by TheRock    This is your last chance before a tempban, BEHAVE.    May 02 2011 19:13
Kicked by Doggi    No, but your maoning, again.    May 02 2011 19:11
Kicked by Doggi    esc in combat.    May 02 2011 19:10
Kicked by Leroy_Hudson    Requested..    May 01 2011 21:56
Kicked by Doggi    Moan again, kicked by the 'stupid admins'.    May 01 2011 21:12
Kicked by QSens    If you have complain send to [email protected] not over my pm.    May 01 2011 21:11
Kicked by Doggi    Moan, bye.    May 01 2011 21:10
Warned by QSens    Suicide as suspect.    May 01 2011 21:09
Banana by Cailan       April 30 2011 19:33
Kicked by Doggi    No, moaning.    April 29 2011 21:41
Kicked by Doggi    Carkilling as a veteran.    April 29 2011 21:40
Kicked by QSens    Ruining event - Bunnyhopping.    April 29 2011 20:36
Kicked by QSens    Ruining event - Bunnyhopping.    April 29 2011 20:35
Ajailed by Nathan_Aldebourne    Killing admin...    April 28 2011 21:19
Warned by Murt_Rogers    flaming over /L.    April 28 2011 01:15
Warned by Cailan    No noobs , you should know that.    April 24 2011 16:28
Kicked by [WS]Battle_Cuneo    cop hunting.    April 22 2011 21:38
Warned by Jimmy_Bowling    Ramming and Carkilling are not allowed please stop.    April 22 2011 19:17
Tempbanned by Salmonella    racism, lying to admins, provoke, ramming.    April 22 2011 13:33
Kicked by Salmonella    not funny - go somewhere else with your ''jokes''.    April 22 2011 13:25
Warned by Salmonella    Drop it.    April 22 2011 13:24
Kicked by Gimli    english only.    April 21 2011 21:33
Kicked by Daxx    Ruining event.    April 21 2011 01:02
Banana by Tyrone       April 20 2011 17:29
Kicked by HeavyWeaponsGuy    do not tell others to shut up.    April 19 2011 15:05
Tempbanned by [EVIL]Onotole    flaming in pm - copban might follow.    April 16 2011 22:42
Kicked by [EVIL]Onotole    and i wanted to eat pie - not good reason.    April 16 2011 22:38
Warned by [Rstar]Malcolm    abuse of /h.    April 16 2011 11:46
Banned by Aragorn    constant flame and disrespect to players...    April 11 2011 17:37
Kicked by [Rstar]Malcolm    ramming and carkilling.    April 11 2011 16:14
Banned by Gimli    flame in pm.    April 04 2011 20:16
Tempbanned by Jcstodds    carkilling/ provoking.    April 04 2011 15:47
Warned by DHR.Mike    flaming.    April 03 2011 20:03
Kicked by HeavyWeaponsGuy    flaming, provoking.    April 03 2011 19:57
Ajailed by SkyHawk    Carkilling    April 03 2011 19:39
Kicked by HeavyWeaponsGuy    you = provoke.    April 03 2011 19:12
Ajailed by [RPIT]JDC_Kolta    carkill    April 03 2011 17:34
Kicked by [WS]Battle_Cuneo    commenting.    April 03 2011 16:49
Kicked by [WS]Battle_Cuneo    /winch abuse.    April 03 2011 16:38
Kicked by TeaM_Fox    ram.    April 02 2011 21:30
Kicked by [Rstar]Malcolm    script abuse, suicide as a suspect.    April 01 2011 20:31
Warned by Jcstodds    change your name back : ).    April 01 2011 16:32
Banana by HeavyWeaponsGuy       April 01 2011 16:03

He claims to be a 2007 Veteran, but I do not believe it. His list of punishments though is long enough to extend back into 2007.


As for "Admins must follow a set pattern of punishing" arguments... I believe punishments should be left to the admin's good judgment and not a set routine.

Why?

1. Some offenses are far graver than others.
2. Some people who act like assholes will continue to do so until 'Tempban' is reached, behaving good until the heat wears off, then do it again.
3. Moaners and smart asses moaning "BUT OMG ADMIN YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO KICK ME FIRST NOT GO DIRECTLY TO TEMPBAN / BAN".

And that, is not the complete list of reasons.

[Mr.Joker]

All i see is f**k

When you will start not using the "f**k" word i would lovely read your reply. Maybe you have not saw but almost all the replies on this topic are in a good manner, using propper words because is a serious subject. Your swearing will not make your reply look more mature or with a serious goal, just silly.

You take all of this as provoking on your arguments, people are saying just their opinions. Why you think that some of them are saying that am right? Maybe because i got some truth in my replies.

So please, stop being so badass. Hear people opinions and try to understand them, or you're afraid that you're maybe wrong?

+ after you saw that romanian unbanned i guess you changed your mind a little. No offence JDC, you're a great admin.

-Cheers,
Joker

[Que]

"2nd Banned by admin    I WARNED JOO U NO DA RUELS      <insert random date>"

He was sarcastic with the reason, but you should understand what he meant.

(And yes Que and You are the ones who argument with me the most. Sometimes we agree. Sometimes we don't. Live with it and show me an better argument than attempting to provoke me).

I do not agree with some of your statements and facts, that's why we have this forum; to give and take arguments and discuss things further. I do not provoke you a single bit.

As for "Admins must follow a set pattern of punishing" arguments... I believe punishments should be left to the admin's good judgment and not a set routine.

I have to agree with this one. Let the situation decide whether it's right to ban right away, or be patient. There should be no such thing as having a set routine.

+ after you saw that romanian unbanned i guess you changed your mind a little. No offence JDC, you're a great admin.

After seeing that list of incidents with warns/kicks etcetera, I doubt no one would change their mind. Most likely the opposite.

[Gird3r]

You take all of this as provoking on your arguments, people are saying just their opinions.

Did you even read what I saw as provoking?
No you did not.

"Your one-liner is also pretty funny, you could not resist? If you are going to provoke me, then try harder."

Read who I said it to. It certainly wasn't you.

"Cephalectomy" said that one-liner with only one thing in mind: To provoke me.

It's obivious.

As for the romanian getting unbanned. Guess what, I am highly critical of it, even for when he got unbanned so fast.
I'd say atleast 1 month before an unban. At the minium.

EDIT: Since joker requested it, further replies from me will not contain further swear words.

[saberman]

What I like is:
/warn X Flaming
/ban X I told you to stop flaming him

And I like is:
/kick X Turn those hacks off
/ban X You were warned

[BlackEagle]

Every admin has their own unique style to deal with things, some do ban on every fart and some try to communicate.
If we can't handle trigger happy admins we are free to gtfo though, jus' sayin'.

[Emre]

I don't find it funny that sometimes the administration commands are being abused for some random newbie lulz.

Mainchat:
Admin1 has warned rulebreaker for watch out and run, ban coming!
Admin2 has banned rulebreaker for told you, run away

Neither the reason is stated, nor is it appropriate to do that.

Especially the ban command should be used in fewer cases to avoid an instant "punishment that should teach rulebreakers a lesson", because it doesn't.

[Leon.]

But hey, let's be the smartass crack joke on racism. black black black. I'm sure as f**k everyone will appreciate it...
NOT. Stop excusing your shit as something "minor".

I never did excuse it as something minor. I actually confessed that the ban I got was damn well deserved. Even in my unban request, I never denied it as being deserved. I came forth completely with an apology to almost everyone I could think of, mostly towards those who could be offended and to those whose warnings I blatantly ignored. I probably should have been banned much longer than I was, though it's over with and I certainly did learn my lesson.

Somehow, you guys got the "mindset" that admins are people who sit on thier ass with an whip and whip you in the back if you even dare to let out an tiny drop of sweat.

Obviously not.

[Gimli]

What the hell? In that example the player obviously has no respect for the rules whatsoever, so why should we even unban him again?

Look at any random rule and you'll see that he constantly breaks it even after being punished...

And you ask why we ban for small things..? You're absolutely right; perhaps we should permanently ban without a chance to appeal.

[Leon.]

[aeva]

What the hell? In that example the player obviously has no respect for the rules whatsoever, so why should we even unban him again?

Look at any random rule and you'll see that he constantly breaks it even after being punished...

• Kicked by HeavyWeaponsGuy    do not tell others to shut up.    April 19 2011 15:05
• Banned by Aragorn    constant flame and disrespect to players...    April 11 2011 17:37
• Kicked by [Rstar]Malcolm    ramming and carkilling.    April 11 2011 16:14
• Banned by Gimli    flame in pm.    April 04 2011 20:16

And you ask why we ban for small things..? You're absolutely right; perhaps we should permanently ban without a chance to appeal.

[/aeva]The so-called "bans for small things" are usually a result of admin profiling. An admin will look at a player's past history and use that in the decision of banning. The punishment should be judged by the current situation, not by some shit that occurred a year ago.
Now if they're constantly being warned and kicked over a period of one week for flaming and doing stupid shit in general, yeah, that will call for a ban. For example:
playah warned by admin for flaming     day 1, hour 1
playah warned by a different admin for flaming     day 1, hour 8
playah kicked by another admin for flaming      day 2, hour 2
playah kicked by yet another admin for flaming      day 2, hour 10
playah warned by yet another another admin for flaming    day 3, hour 1
playah kicked by yet another another admin for flaming again    day 3, hour 1.5
playah tempbanned by another different admin for uncontrolled flaming    day 3, hour 3
playah kicked by a whole variety of admins for flaming      days 4-6
playah banned by a whole other admin for continually flaming despite numerous warnings     day 7

Stuff like that... yeah, that's easily deserving a ban.

[Emre]

perhaps we should permanently ban without a chance to appeal.

Proves that your skills on argumentative talking has gone far away

Besides, Leon has a good point