To Gandalf

[XDie]

Due to threats agains the server VCMP is temporarily closed. Re-opening will depend on if the owners and the leader Klaus decide the server has a future within Argonath.

VC:MP server have to be cleaned from history and if this happens then the server will be good!! i think re-opening when VC:MP 4 is released is better!! this will give the time to scripters and owners to resolve this problem!! but closing VC:MP server for ever is not good
"I love VC:MP server" :banana:

[wil]

Gandalf, why would you want to close an entire server due to -hacking- ?

(P.S. Please go into chat, I need to talk to you about UA)

[Morphine]

I'd like to know what exactly is meant by the word *threats* then I'll perhaps understand more of this sudden rush that none of us really expected.

[detective_perry]

I don't get it. I just came and suddenly bye bye VCMP.

[Marcell]

All the conspirancies about Klaus abusing and VCMP corrupted are getting f*cking boring - see my signature. We just see ppl whining all over the time - ppl who come to VCMP once a month; then notice not all the players respect the rules (guess what, most of the players are newbies - well depends, but very often - if you play SAMP Argonath, you'd most likely know what roleplay is from experience from another servers, but that's not the way here. Explaining a newbie who can't speak english what RP is and what are the rules, then see him quiting because he doesn't like the point of the server is a tiring job. Also we don't have 100 players each day so no, we don't ban everyone for anything, we give ppl a chance.

Overall it's ridiculous how ppl think changing the manager will change the gameplay - what, you think every rule will be respected by every newbie after changing the manager? Go get some brains, nothing will really change.

Some ppl purely don't understand how gameplay works here. If we see a cop whilst wanted, we most likely try to shoot him, as roleplaying with cops most of times is just risky. I only do it with experienced cops I know, to be honest. Here's a player un-experienced in VCMP gameplay getting deathmatched by a newbie, then blaming the main manager instead of the player for it:


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People often say 'how come players rulebreak so much on VC:MP when they don't on MTA:VC?' well sorry, but VC:MP is full of non-english speakers, who are only associated with DM scene, and never played any example of roleplay server. MTA:VC is mostly the regulars who know the rules playing.

Also it's kinda funny how often we hear another 'assaults' on Klaus being a bad manager, when no one mentions shit in-game? I just see a SAMPer come to the game, see another player rule-break, don't understand how we run the shit here, he just blames the manager for some unknown reason, and guess what? The regular players don't mention shit here or in-game, they prefer to talk behind manager's and others backs, snitch to the ppl trying to drag VCMP down...
You want VCMP Argo scene done for? Fine, do it, I don't f**king care how, but don't ruin our fun, fun of about 40 active players, for your fun. Think you can command everything just cause our server 'isnt as good' isnt as proffessional' 'you got more rulebreakers than SAMP' ? Well, you're wrong. This isn't a message to Gandalf, but to someone else, who will know why..

[stormeus]

Re-opening will depend on if the owners and the leader Klaus decide the server has a future within Argonath.

If? At its peak, VC:MP sees 15-25 players every day, yet the server might not have a future? VC:MP is mainly DM scene, but there are still a good number of people who come to the VC:MP server to enjoy some roleplay. Maybe if we knew what "threats" were being made, we'd react differently. (Hacking the server? DDoS?) We'd also react differently if the shutdown hadn't come out of the blue.

That's really all I have to say about this for now.

[detective_perry]

This is stupid. Shutting down the server will fix it all? It will only make it worse. Since there is no VCMP, there is nothing for us to do here, I guess.

[Gandalf]

Its up to how much supprt the current leaders will get to continue.

[detective_perry]

Can you at least explain why it's shutting down or whatever is happening? We deserve to know, don't we?

[Morphine]

What Marcell said was completely correct in my opinion. There is way better solutions for everything that may happen on our VC:MP server. There's some things I would like to emphasize in the post Marcell did on this topic.


1. VC:MP isn't heavily populated like SA:MP - therefore, our administrators approach new players who deathmatch - unaware that it is not allowed - softer than SA:MP might, since it takes a while to explain the wrong-doing first and explaining can only be done by typing a solution for a mistake, not kicking a person for "DEATHMATCH OH MY GOD" since they will NEVER understand from this. If we ban each and every single person for not following at least all of the rules then we will not have any players left. <-- THIS IS WHAT THE MOANERS DO NOT UNDERSTAND Visitors from other servers just look at the VC:MP community in a bad way, that we transformed it into a deathmatch scene (which is absolutely not true), that our manager Klaus does nothing (screenshot above) - well guess what, he can't do anything when he's not online can he? Can't there be a theory that Klaus doesn't want everyone banned? Maybe he just wants people to learn from their mistakes independently rather than not giving them a chance to play at all? We have wonderful administrators in VC:MP. Legend, Avenger, Stormeus, aXXo, Spiral, Kent_Ancelotti, Alarba and many others who manage to keep the server under control even without the presence of our manager. Most hypocrites who come to rant on the VC:MP server just have personal problems with people in the admin team, they have no genuine reasons for their accusations, none that I am aware of. Don't blow me with your "you weren't here when it happened" shit here because it's quite easy to find out what's happened in the past years, unlike me there is many people who played a lot more on the VC:MP server than I have.


Et yes, it's a fact that people on MTA:VC don't deathmatch or cause any trouble but what is the reason behind this? There's an easy answer for this - everyone who plays on MTA is a veteran and they are accustomed with the rules and probably were for years. VC:MP is more open to new players and we have many new players entering our server every day, if you were in their place you would realize that it's not easy to get accustomed to a new style of playing.
* Perhaps one famous complain-bag I know can just not make the difference between a new player and a veteran. He/She/It (I will keep this discreet to avoid conflict) expects everyone to be perfect once they enter the server. "Hey you DM! Ban." is what goes on in that person's head most of the time probably and this gives him another reason to blame Klaus since he's "responsible for everyone on the server".


2. DDoS -> aXXo is already in the process of scripting a server in a completely different language called Squirrel and I have heard from a famous VC:MP Server Host Manager that that language prevents servers from being crashed, instead the overall latency just goes sky-high. PAWN has problems restarting after a deliberate DDoS for unknown reasons, auto-restart does not seem to work when someone is forcibly crashing the server and such crashes are easily recognized.


3. Hackers -> Each system/game/community has it's set of cheaters, there's nothing strange about it. It all goes down to one great guy hacking the memory of the game's engine, coding it into a launcher and passing it around to the whole world. Some people barely even know they are breaking the rules by using this modification which is most popularly called the "Trainer" program.
Solution -> Administrators. Employ more administrators who are active and fit for the job, I think everyone on the server stands a chance for becoming a Moderator/Admin one day. There is just too many of those inactive at the time being.
Well, in conclusion, I think locking down the server is just a feeble excuse for not being bothered to think about a proper way to solve issues. Not only VC:MP has these problems, all other networks on Argonath might just be facing the same issues. I'm sick and tired of people like Salmonella thinking that VC:MP's Argonath is a deathmatching paradise, they have absolutely no right to judge a server on which they just come online to insult the players and the manager for 3 minutes and then ragequit.
As my statistics say, in the past half year only 3-4 people had been banned for deathmatching. Rest have been banned for hacks. What does this say? That the theory of -transformation to a deathmatch haven- is wrong.
My final answer is that I disapprove with VC:MP being shut down. There has to be a more genuine way than giving everything up. I guess our leader will soon say what is left to say.

[Aragorn]

Since there is no VCMP, there is nothing for us to do here, I guess.

Feel free to leave... We do not force anyone to sit here, I guess...

[Aragorn]

We decided to open VCMP server due to the requests... After passing some time we set Klaus as a Community Leader of this server... The things started going good... Server became be alive, appeared a stable community... All was going good until sampers did not get in... Since that time VCMP turned into a troublemaking server... Continuosly complaints on the leaders and admins, fake accusations with fake report against Klaus... Reports were flooding even with the stuff of a longer time, like half year ago with the target to paint it as a current situation... Which means that during investigation the Argonath owners found out that the same logs were provided as a "proof" all around half of year...

Community separated on two sides... Old VCMPers with Klaus and sampers... The last were trying to turn Vice City into the SAMP traditional reports/complains/backstabbing and accusations community...
Spreading the same old years crap between each other and involving new people into this shit...

Not far ago one of them informed me personally, that VCMP server was crashed by those who do not like Klaus, and if I will not take actions, they will continue it...

Todays we got a new threat against server... The player was banned and after a short discussion we came to conclusion that the server should be shut down, as we both have no time and wish to be online and solve the problems, and as players themselves cannot handle it without hate/crashbots and faking shit...

Making up stories, digging all the time the old crap, provoking and involving into disrespect and non trust to the Community Leader Klaus all other players, constant bothering owners with the same stuff, crashing server and threatening to do it again and again while we will not remove Klaus (pressing on owners) - all this just finished our patience to the end...

As I said above - nor me neither Gandalf have time to present on server so that all will be "ok"... Without us players are not able to solve the problems... Server went into history...

Thats all folks...

[detective_perry]

Aragorn, I understand that you guys have to bother with their shit. I really understand you because we all have been attacked by them, but if they are so annoying, why not just ignore them and tell them to f**k off? We love that server, we don't want it to die.

[Morphine]

Aragorn, I understand that you guys have to bother with their shit. I really understand you because we all have been attacked by them, but if they are so annoying, why not just ignore them and tell them to f**k off? We love that server, we don't want it to die.

Ignore it or not the server will still be raped by hypocrites and straight idiots who have problems with our community. Since there's a short string or less separating the continuing of VC:MP and it's shutdown, it's time to admit. Banning moaners was/will always be a useless thing, thinking that for every moaning ass that gets banned, another one who's even worse takes their place.
Trying to make the community prosper by not taking away the right of everyone's play was against Salmonella's views and many other SA:MPers who came to grief us, alas.

[Aragorn]

The problem is, Perry, that the community is mixed... People do play on several our servers... We cannot tell to f**k off to those who are ok actually and even have a respect... But people do not understand the difference of mentality/traditions of gameplay on different servers, and we have no time and wish to teach each (aka changing someones minds/switching the play style)...

Yes we are tired and it was going nowhere and seems like permanently (aka endless story)...