To VCMP Argonath players and owners

[JasonSaint]

Well if im alone in the server cuz no1 wants to play cuz of the tense atmosphere it wont hurry up..

[muzdaaz]

To bring them back won't be the community's request, but more-so something they have to deal with themselves and prove to the Server Owners. As for the server itself, yes, losing key figures in a community will change how things run, but it doesn't last forever like that and eventually things will get back on track. It's just going to take some effort from the players themselves to get the ball rolling again.

We are a part of this community, many people agree thus it should be taken seriously.
When things get rough and those loyal to the community get wiped, what message does it send to new ones? That their efforts mean shit and important things can change in a matter of minutes.

I am not accusing him of anything. He said people like that were uneducated, and then said his point was proven when I stated my reply to it. That was offensive, pure and simple. We have moved on from that, so please don't continue it. The discussion is already back on topic.

Please, I know that this kind of sentence may have somehow offended you, but please can we keep this topic clean of stuff like that. If you have a problem, PM him and ask what he means under that if you really have to but this topic is not the place to settle these things.

[Klaus]

I am not accusing him of anything.

You accused me of flaming, which I obviously wasn't as others have mentioned. My point is that anyone who takes the word "Gypsy" offensive is obviously uneducated in the English language as they do not know its true meaning. This is not insulting in any way, I'm simply laying down the facts.

[SugarD]

You accused me of flaming, which I obviously wasn't as others have mentioned. My point is that anyone who takes the word "Gypsy" offensive is obviously uneducated in the English language as they do not know its true meaning. This is not insulting in any way, I'm simply laying down the facts.

Knowing it's true meaning has nothing to do with the fact that people took it offensively. If I jokingly called someone a crappy criminal because they got ran over by a cop, they might laugh, but if I call someone else that, they may get mad at me for it. Like I said before, education has absolutely nothing to do with how people take things. Knowing the true meaning or not doesn't mean someone should automatically not take offense to it.

We are a part of this community, many people agree thus it should be taken seriously.
When things get rough and those loyal to the community get wiped, what message does it send to new ones? That their efforts mean shit and important things can change in a matter of minutes.

True, but the new players are different people than those that were removed from the community, and that's an issue only between those users and the Community Leadership. Yes, it looks bad to new players, but on-going issues shouldn't be effecting them this greatly if the veteran/regular users are willing to step in and reassure them. It's going to take an effort, and likely a large one from the users to get the server back on it's feet, but it's not impossible, just difficult. Although it may not seem like it, the rest of Argo is on your side. None of us want to see VC:MP die or fail. It is a great server and although it's had it's own issues just like all the other ones have, no one wants it to disappear.

[muzdaaz]

True, but the new players are different people than those that were removed from the community, and that's an issue only between those users and the Community Leadership. Yes, it looks bad to new players, but on-going issues shouldn't be effecting them this greatly if the veteran/regular users are willing to step in and reassure them. It's going to take an effort, and likely a large one from the users to get the server back on it's feet, but it's not impossible, just difficult. Although it may not seem like it, the rest of Argo is on your side. None of us want to see VC:MP die or fail. It is a great server and although it's had it's own issues just like all the other ones have, no one wants it to disappear.

Yet I can see no point to remove them. They are friendly and loyal men, willing to help newbies and spend time with them. Removing men from the server while there is a opportunity to take the time out and explain them what they did wrong and how to act in these situations (instead of like : "We don't tolerate this, if you don't understand then its your own fault"). I'm sure they would understand and take proper actions.

[SugarD]

Yet I can see no point to remove them. They are friendly and loyal men, willing to help newbies and spend time with them. Removing men from the server while there is a opportunity to take the time out and explain them what they did wrong and how to act in these situations (instead of like : "We don't tolerate this, if you don't understand then its your own fault"). I'm sure they would understand and take proper actions.

Well like I said, that's something between them and Community Leadership to resolve. Regardless, we cannot change the past and we need to move on. If they come back and things are resolved with no more issues, then all is well, but until then the server cannot survive on people begging for them to return. Players need to step up and take control over the community they created by allowing for a positive, productive gaming environment.

Remember, everyone in Argonath is equal. Rank means nothing when it comes to roleplaying or respect. Everyone should be treated equally, whether you are a new player or a Server Owner. That means we, as players, are just as capable of continuing to make VC:MP a fun place to play as anyone else in the higher ranks are. It just takes dedication and compassion to pull off.

[Kessu]

I agree with muzzie on this one once again... Taking away the spine of vcmp basically may break the neck of new players...

Banning me marcell and perry the community may survive due to it being a large hit, but not unrecoverable... Demoting Klaus was the biggest hit to vcmp it has ever gotten and is extremely hard to recover from.. Like Jason pointed it out, taking out the mother from the family and after it family goes downhill and it goes hard.. This is what happened to vcmp with the actions happened so far.

Also I agree with ferraris post of saying that the reason for a ban is not that you were the most active one, but a reqular who already is expected to follow the rules at anytime..

About Klaus flaming... No wonder he got demoted if that's what people call flaming now a days. I see nothing offensive in the post and yet is has been taken as "flaming".

Not knowing what a word means and taking it offensive? I don't get the point. People CANNOT seriously offend from a word of what they THINK it means and not what it really means.. If I call someone a bananaboy in vcmp, thus far NONE has taken it as a flame.. Leonardo didn't say anything when I called him the old fart..

What I don't get, is that WHAT do you people really mean with flaming? I always thought it's something that is meant as offensive and is personal.. Not some random word you don't even know meaning of..


TL;DR

Biggest hit to vcmp : Demoting Klaus, very hard for the community to come back from
Large hit to vcmp: Banning me, marcell and Perry. It's rather hard to recover from but much easier than Klaus's demotion.

WHAT is flaming now a days in Argonath?

[JDC]

If calling each other gay noobs is an inside joke, then inside jokes should be kept inside...
 
If this community considers someone like Marcell, who flames a lot, to be a vital player of this community, then clearly something is wrong here...

[SugarD]

Flaming is defined as saying something that offends someone. It doesn't matter what you meant, it's how it's taken that counts. If you didn't mean to offend someone by it, you can simply apologize and everyone will move on, admins included, but if you sit there defending what you said, it's clear you don't care about the user's feelings as much as you care about how you look in front of everyone else. The point is just don't say it unless you know for sure your friend will take it as a joke, and even then, be careful.

[Kessu]

Amongst VCMP requlars, Marcell is respected reqular along with the others and is considered to be part of vital players in this community.

And yet again, If I may ask, how does this post (JDCs) help him not to flame when you actually provoke him with the post by saying he's basically trash in vcmp?
Now look into mirror and think again why exactly the ones who plays VCMP actively are talking and why others aren't in this topic.


SugarD: ANYTHING can be taken offensive... And I mean ANYTHING... It's not about how it's taken, it's about WHO is saying to WHO.. Clearly if you don't like someone you consider it as a "OMG HE FLAMED ME ADMIN PLS BAN" but what happens when his/hers own friend says it? It's ok of course.

[SugarD]

SugarD: ANYTHING can be taken offensive... And I mean ANYTHING... It's not about how it's taken, it's about WHO is saying to WHO.. Clearly if you don't like someone you consider it as a "OMG HE FLAMED ME ADMIN PLS BAN" but what happens when his/hers own friend says it? It's ok of course.

Being friends does not make it okay to say anything. Your own friends can take offense to something you say as well, even if you normally go very far with joking around. It IS how it's taken that matters, because as you said, anything can be offensive. The point is to avoid offending them in the first place and just have a good time. If they take it offensively, apologize and move on instead of defending your actions. It's not hard. If everyone did this, the world would be much better off.

[JasonSaint]

SUGARD NOW im finished with you! you think you can change this server yeah?? no go away you dont even play the game. im speaking for al vcmp'ers here to say we want klaus back as our manager and marcell perry and kessu back! all of us wants things to get back to normal...

[Kessu]

As I told, you can take anything from your friend, but when someone who you don't like calls you with EXACTLY the same you will report him and not your friend. I have seen it happening, even I have been reported for that.

If you can't get that through your thick head, please, stop posting...

[SugarD]

As I told, you can take anything from your friend, but when someone who you don't like calls you with EXACTLY the same you will report him and not your friend. I have seen it happening, even I have been reported for that.

If you can't get that through your thick head, please, stop posting...

You are still wrong. Just being your friend doesn't mean they will automatically not take offense to any joking insults you make. Everyone is different. Yes, they are less likely to, but that doesn't mean they won't be completely free from the emotions involving the insults. If that were true, then this wouldn't be an issue in the server to begin with.

SUGARD NOW im finished with you! you think you can change this server yeah?? no go away you dont even play the game. im speaking for al vcmp'ers here to say we want klaus back as our manager and marcell perry and kessu back! all of us wants things to get back to normal...

That's fine, don't respond to my statements then. Don't accuse me of not playing there because I have and do. You openly admitted that you were just unbanned, so to say you know I don't play there is an outrageous statement. I am trying to be friendly in my discussions as much as possible, despite them being touchy subjects. If you can't stay calm, walk away for a bit and calm down.

[JasonSaint]

dont act like you are god... guess what you are not! even better you are a 'gypsy' 'noob' and 'b00n' yes you try to be friendly fine.. go be friendly somewhere else, we just want to get things back to how it was. and you are not really helping with it.