Constitution for the State of Vice [Exp. 03/04/2021]

[Kessu]

To be honest, has ANYONE read this? I mean, I read the first line, scrolled down to see how long it is and well, here I am now after 10 seconds. I don't bother reading such text, which none can understand probably (I don't understand even the finnish laws since it's written in the hard way).

Yet, I think I go by the most of them. Maybe. 

[Marcell]

To be honest, has ANYONE read this?

nope

[Willy]

I tried to read it, I will try to sum it up:

Know the rules of the state of vice, or get owned by cops, or own them
 :m4: :sig: :pop:

[Klaus]

Know the rules of the state of vice, or get owned by cops, or own them

Ohhh, it all makes sense now :idea:

[SugarD]

As with the original SA:MP constitution, it is way too detailed. Remember that everything which is written here can and shall be used against you in game.

Mr. President, what I don't understand is the Constitution Of The United States Of Argonath is named as such, yet it only applies to SA:MP? Why not modify it to detail the differences between each server, where it applies in the laws, and leave the rest of the universal information the same? It seems pointless, and ridiculous, to have multiple Constitutions when they are named after the country, but apply only to one server. The United States Of Argonath should unite, not separate!

[Kessu]

Know the rules of the state of vice, or get owned by cops, or own them

Yes, this is what I understand and can read 

[Morphine]

You guys should put the funny comments aside and actually take the time to read the text since no one other than stormeus would bother trying to ask for such a thing.

[SugarD]

You guys should put the funny comments aside and actually take the time to read the text since no one other than stormeus would bother trying to ask for such a thing.

I'm going both ways on this. Personally since the community is recognized as a country named the United States Of Argonath, why not have a national Constitution? It seems odd that we would have multiple when we could just have one listing everything, and for server differences just having subsections or notes under specific laws/information to state differentiating info.

[~Legend~]

As we have official/governmental agencies and organisations active in the community, this kind of thing would be appropriate, but when applied in the correct sense.

I think a moderated "packet" of information might be most suitable; something that can be ultimately broken down into some basic headers, as that might be what is most workable in the current state.

[stormeus]

The idea of a national constitution is good, but implementing it would be sketchy. The national constitution, SA:MP's, states it doesn't even apply outside of SA:MP. IV:MP also established its own constitution.

You guys should put the funny comments aside and actually take the time to read the text since no one other than stormeus would bother trying to ask for such a thing.

Danke

[Leonardo]

Under review.

[SugarD]

If this is made, I would love to see it combined to the main one which currently claims it's only for SA:MP. That way the two could specify which server a specific section applies to, if not both. That would eventually lead to all servers joining in and carving out a fully national one as it should be.

[stormeus]

Revised to remove the ability to fine court cases and documents.


In plain English.

Where, when, and how this works

• This constitution is valid when you're playing in VC:MP
• President and Prime Minister are the highest authority. Ever.
• A citizen is someone with a passport from the CMB.
• Anything violating the constitution is invalid. The constitution cannot invalidate server rules, however.

Your rights

• Go ahead and make a religion or group, talk however you want. Make a newspaper, have a protest, petition the government, it's all legal unless...
  
  • You affect the safety of yourself or others.
  • You disturb peace or government services.
  • You block a government or private property, or you're blocking public property when not on strike.
• You can carry a weapon. Just don't go around shouting "YO CHECK OUT MY bad girlING M60." Unless you're an officer.
• If you own a place, you can ask a person to leave unless it's a business or an officer has reasonable cause to be there.
  
  • If you have a business, you can refuse entry if a person is hostile, a dress code is required, the place is closed, or is at or near maximum capacity
• If you have a passport, you can buy a place. If you have a license, you can buy a car.
• You can't block someone's house without reasonable government approval.
• No one can restrict your rights because of your beliefs, criminal history, or past lifestyle. Here's looking at you, EAF, DC, IT, and any mafias.
  
  • ... though you may be rejected a job due to your criminal history. Not our problem.

Criminal Law, aka YOU DUN GOOF'D

• If the police don't tell you what you're being arrested for, the detention is invalid.
• Police can only search property with reasonable suspicion.
• Innocent until proven guilty.
• You have the right to an investigation and an attorney.
• Some stuff that's illegal.
  
  • Killing people
  • Stealing stuff
  • Assault
  • Vandalism
  • Rape
  • Kidnapping and abduction
  • Harming one's wealth, property, or health
  • Production, use, sale, distribution, or possession of drugs, except for production and use of marijuana in public areas.
  • Reckless driving (e.g. driving on the left)
  • Terrorism
  • Treason
  • Corruption
  • Disrupting police tasks (obstruction of justice)
  • Helping the police when not on duty
  • Stalking, and when not an officer: spying, following, tracking, or interrogating other people
  • Being drunk, peeing, or taking a dump in public. (so much for shitting in officers' desks)
  • Using unreasonable force when using self-defense
  • Planning a crime (conspiracy)
• If you didn't read that above, weed is legal. Everything else is a no-go zone.
• If you decide to evade arrest, law enforcers cannot be blamed for injuries or death.
• You break a law, YOU GET PUNISHED. That means community service, jail time, and/or fine.

Court Laws

• Citizens have the right to a trial.
• You can't be tried for the same crime more than once.
• You can't testify as a witness against yourself. Unless you want to.
• If you disturb a court procedure, you're out.
• Don't talk in court unless called upon by justices.
• Death penalty? Nope. ILLEGAL.
• If you died in a situation, you can't be tried, or act as a witness, or otherwise be involved in a court case for that situation.

Copyrights

• Cannot use these for patents or copyrights:
  
  • Real products
  • Military organizations
  • Groups or gangs
  • Clan or group tags
  • Personal names
  • Generic terms involving government divisions
• Violating copyright law may result in a lawsuit for up to $50,000 and a cease and desist order.
• Copyrights last 365 days unless otherwise stated.

Law Amendments

• The Supreme Court can review a law and change its status if it violates the constitution.
• Any law can be approved, revoked, or modified by the President and Prime Minister without needing to pass through the court system.

[JDC]

It's good and I understand the document completely.

However, it could use some amendments as to not abridge the higher rights of law enforcement agencies.

[PulseEffect]

As the Chief Justice has hadn't the time to take a look at this, I shall take over responsibility for guiding this important piece of law-work through the courts.

Section I. needs to have the relevant ordinances that have the terms "Sate of Vice" changed into "State of Florida" or "County of Vice (City)". This is a geographical issue.

Section II. Visitors need to be acknowledged in all ordinances, the conflicting words between Section I, Ordinance II and most of the Ordinances in Section II are conflicting. Not to say, the constitution offers protection and liberties for citizens but not visitors?

Section III. Same as above.

Section IV. Nothing to add.

Section V. Nothing to add.

Section VI. Nothing to add.

Section VII. Nothing to add.

Furthermore it is the court's decision that relevant laws will over time be suggested through the courts should the time come. The courts will not suggest laws or ideas to add to the constitution for the time being, only if the law is necessary, should the courts consult the Chief Justice and Prime Minster and/or President.

Any further public feedback or comments should be added now. And for those questioning if a Trial Justice should be handling this, Legend has allowed myself to take over this "case".

Signed,
Alex "Pulse" Treblin
Trial Justice